Bernie Sanders Completely Rejects Open Borders

[Jacobtm]

Bernie Sanders has basically the same view on immigration as Trump. We don't need it, it doesn't help, and it hurts our workers. In this interview with Vox, he explains why he is completely opposed to open borders. He all but presages Trump's line "Either we have a country, or we don't" when he says open borders is a right-wing proposal that "Essentially says there is no United States." Here is the juicy part of the interview:

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http://www.vox.com/2015/7/28/9014491/bernie-sanders-vox-conversation

Bernie's concept of "right-wing" is selling out your country for a few bucks. That seems to be the Democrat/Republican default position these days, Clinton, Bush, and Obama all certainly let the flood of illegals in without doing anything substantive to stop it.

Liberals obviously screamed bloody murder about Trump's comments, yet Sanders believes basically the same thing.

[Jacobtm]

Are open borders now the default left-wing position? I hadn't been aware of that, but apparently not supporting them now means you are Donald Trump.

It's an issue that effectively Democratic and Republican administrations have agreed on. Whatever politicains say, Clinton, Bush, and Obama did nothing to stop the flood of illegals that has so changed our country.

Obama of course had his executive order making life easier for illegals. A recent poll shows the majority of Democrats think illegal immigrants should vote:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/05/29/poll-majority-of-democrats-think-illegal-immigrants-should-vote-n2005563

The old economic leftism that focused on unions seems to be dead, Bernie Sanders is a dinosaur for suggesting that we should focus on the rights and wages of American workers.

[Jacobtm]

This is very, very, very, very far removed from what Trump is proposing.

Trump says:

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https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

Did you read Trump's proposal, or just listen to attacks on him and believe blatant BS?

[Jacobtm]

Is open borders a mainstream position now?

Not officially but it is the de facto position on illegal immigration, which is why Trump gets called a Nazi for just wanting to deport people who came here illegally and prevent future ones from coming with a wall.

[Jacobtm]

Is open borders a mainstream position now?

No, most people don't want open borders.  Sadly, we DO have open borders as a matter of fact.

I've always been for a closed border with more (as much as we think we need) legal immigration if we need more people, pretty much for the reasons Bernie gives.

In NYC it's a pretty mainstream position among typical college-educated liberals, of course NYC is an outlier. But among our politicians no doubt that it is the de-facto position.

[Jacobtm]

Is open borders a mainstream position now?

No, most people don't want open borders.  Sadly, we DO have open borders as a matter of fact.

Do you know how many people die on that "open" border? How many get maimed? Do you know how many families are separated for years because of that "open" border? Actually, probably you do: and enjoy it, enjoy the suffering of all those subhumans. And you claim to be a Jew?

The profound, fundamental immorality and inhumanity of so many people here really makes me despair.  

And, no, I am not calling for an "open border": whatever my personal preferences, I realize it is unacceptable to most people. It is the tone of this discussion that I find painful. Frankly, even reading some of these comments is a torture.  

Well yes it is not a free bus ride from Cholula to Chicago, and we do have guards, yet somehow about twelve million people have found it more than open enough to get through.

If people decide to walk across a desert or be snuck across by drug cartels and it does not work out so well for them, well, maybe they should have just stayed home.

[Jacobtm]

I want people who are here illegally to go back to their countries, and future illegal immigration to be prevented.

You guys are so hysterical you compare it to cannibalism and the holocaust.

[Jacobtm]

I have gained a lot of faith in humanity because of this "issue".

Here I thought Americans (and Europeans!) were going to sit there quietly while millions of foreigners flooded over their borders and destroyed their cultures, bringing the host cultures down to the level of the countries that these people are fleeing.

And here the American (and European!) people are showing they have a bit of backbone left, and would, if you don't mind, like that their countries aren't overrun by 3rd world immigrants.

[Jacobtm]

Would you mind changing your name here to something other than Seinfeld?

No thanks. You might watch these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP769IdU_YE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsEr6xNN8Hw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXDHjwaUtPI

[Jacobtm]

What does this have to do with political correctness? This is all about eradicating the old European tradition (so dear to you) of making lampshades of human skin.

Deportation is not the holocaust. You're bonkers.