Europe-Middle East-Africa Refugee Crisis General Thread

[Tetro Kornbluth]

I've decided to start this thread after reading this extraordinary story

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800,000! 800,000! Meanwhile there is a 'crisis' in Calais concerning only a few thousand. And Slovakia will only accept Christians. An extraordinarily imbalanced situation is developed in the EU right now in regards to this, but what is to be done is another question entirely.

I was surprised to see there wasn't a thread on this so use this to post anything on latest developments in regards to the situation in the Med, South Eastern Europe, Syrian and Eritrean Refugees and anything relevant.

[Simfan34]

Artificial countries are bad for global stability. Particularly when they are terrorist entities.

[Gustaf]

Yeah, that's a lot. The political landscape in Europe is being shattered by this, which kind of sucks.

[Jacobtm]

[Zioneer]

Why isn't the US taking some of the 800,000 in? Seems unfair that a single, relatively small country has to take in all of the refugees. Why not equalize it proportionally among the European Union nations?

[Beezer]

Because most EU members want to have nothing to do with Muslim/African migrants.

[Dan the Roman]

Why isn't the US taking some of the 800,000 in? Seems unfair that a single, relatively small country has to take in all of the refugees. Why not equalize it proportionally among the European Union nations?

Because no one is obligated to take in economic migrants, as poverty is not a legitimate excuse for asylum. Nor is being from a war-torn country sufficient under US law. Which is sensible.

[politicus]

Why not equalize it proportionally among the European Union nations?

Refugees prefer to avoid (most of) Eastern Europe, which has low refugees numbers outside of Hungary (and to some degree Bulgaria). UK is below average and would block an even spread. Spain is as well.

[Beezer]

Riots in a refugee camp in Germany cause someone did something to a Quran: http://www.dw.com/en/germany-refugee-riot-injures-15-after-koran-defaced/a-18659573

In other news: refugee/migrant related expenses set to come in at 10bn euros in Germany this year. http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/wirtschaftspolitik/asylbewerber-kosten-bis-zu-10-milliarden-euro-13758770.html

[Tender Branson]

In the German city of Tübingen, the Green mayor Boris Palmer, threatens to confiscate [unused] private property to forcefully house asylum seekers and/or illegals ...

[DavidB.]

In the German city of Tübingen, the Green mayor Boris Palmer, threatens to confiscate [unused] private property to forcefully house asylum seekers and/or illegals ...

Greens...

[Antonio the Sixth]

In the German city of Tübingen, the Green mayor Boris Palmer, threatens to confiscate [unused] private property to forcefully house asylum seekers and/or illegals ...

FF

[Cassius]

Basically, the root of the migrant problem is what needs to be tackled, and that root is the chaos and instability in the countries from where these migrant are coming. Unfortunately, nobody seems interested in doing that, so instead we're reduced to fannying about trying to mitigate with the symptoms of this problem.

[Simfan34]

In the German city of Tübingen, the Green mayor Boris Palmer, threatens to confiscate [unused] private property to forcefully house asylum seekers and/or illegals ...

FF

No, that's not an FF move. That is a violation of basic property rights, which is at the core of any liberal understanding of liberty.

[MaxQue]

In the German city of Tübingen, the Green mayor Boris Palmer, threatens to confiscate [unused] private property to forcefully house asylum seekers and/or illegals ...

FF

No, that's not an FF move. That is a violation of basic property rights, which is at the core of any liberal understanding of liberty.

Unused property is making housing costs soar and cause suburban sprawl. Any person with an interest in planning should support any way to make it occupied.

I personally prefer imposing huge property taxes on unused property to force occupation or sale.

[Antonio the Sixth]

In the German city of Tübingen, the Green mayor Boris Palmer, threatens to confiscate [unused] private property to forcefully house asylum seekers and/or illegals ...

FF

No, that's not an FF move. That is a violation of basic property rights, which is at the core of any liberal understanding of liberty.

"Property rights" are among the most unimportant rights there is, and certainly rank waaaay below the fundamental right to housing.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

I think America is partially to blame for this situation. I applaud European leaders for attempting to take on this necessary burden but America has the capacity to take a few million refugees. We've refused to do anything.

[politicus]

In the German city of Tübingen, the Green mayor Boris Palmer, threatens to confiscate [unused] private property to forcefully house asylum seekers and/or illegals ...

FF

No, that's not an FF move. That is a violation of basic property rights, which is at the core of any liberal understanding of liberty.

"Property rights" are among the most unimportant rights there is, and certainly rank waaaay below the fundamental right to housing.

It will certainly cause a major backlash.

Not even sure how it would be possibly for a Mayor to do such a thing. What is the legal basis for this?

[Cassius]

In the German city of Tübingen, the Green mayor Boris Palmer, threatens to confiscate [unused] private property to forcefully house asylum seekers and/or illegals ...

FF

No, that's not an FF move. That is a violation of basic property rights, which is at the core of any liberal understanding of liberty.

"Property rights" are among the most unimportant rights there is, and certainly rank waaaay below the fundamental right to housing.

Not if you own property. Although I would add that I don't think this move is going to be particularly helpful to the image of these immigrants in the minds of most of the citizen populace.

[Simfan34]

In the German city of Tübingen, the Green mayor Boris Palmer, threatens to confiscate [unused] private property to forcefully house asylum seekers and/or illegals ...

FF

No, that's not an FF move. That is a violation of basic property rights, which is at the core of any liberal understanding of liberty.

"Property rights" are among the most unimportant rights there is, and certainly rank waaaay below the fundamental right to housing.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

[afleitch]

I think steps will be taken to rescind some of the international conventions on asylum. 'Europe or bust' is getting potentially dangerous.

[ag]

I think steps will be taken to rescind some of the international conventions on asylum. 'Europe or bust' is getting potentially dangerous.

I see what you want to do about the refugee treaties. Have harder time seeing what you want to do about the refugees.

[Hnv1]

In the German city of Tübingen, the Green mayor Boris Palmer, threatens to confiscate [unused] private property to forcefully house asylum seekers and/or illegals ...

FF

Short sighted FF maybe.

I think an economic plan is the solution, wipe out most of sub-Sahara african countries debt and provide an aid package so they could start rebuilding their own countries and immigration floods will dwindle. (Yes I believe most of the refugees are in fact economic immigrants)

[Tender Branson]

A new Gallup poll today shows that 2/3 of Austrians want to re-introduce border controls:

66% re-introduce border controls
27% keep the free movement in place

Also:

"Would you mind if your municipality takes up asylum seekers worth 1.5% of the municipal population ?"

61% don't mind
25% would have a problem with it

"Would you personally house asylum seekers in your apartment/house ?"

70% No
23% Yes

http://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20150821_OTS0001/oesterreich-umfrage-66-fuer-wiedereinfuehrung-von-grenzkontrollen

[Tender Branson]

Meanwhile Macedonia is sealing their border with Greece and police there is teargassing asylum seekers.

Also, Bulgaria calls in the army to secure the border because they fear that the illegals from Greece will now take the Bulgaria route with Macedonia blocked off.







http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/22/world/europe/macedonia-police-migrants-crackdown.html