Europe-Middle East-Africa Refugee Crisis General Thread

[Tender Branson]

Take a look at what you have done with your reckless positions, you naive left-leftists and your silly political aiders and abettors accross Europe - by enabling this secret terrorist invasion under the cover of "refugees".

A 20-year old Iraqi "refugee" terror and war crime suspect was arrested by SWAT teams near Innsbruck, Austria yesterday (close to where Cranberry lives):

http://www.salzburg.com/nachrichten/oesterreich/politik/sn/artikel/fluechtling-in-tirol-wegen-terrorverdacht-festgenommen-174159

On social media he had glorified the Paris attacks and most likely fought in Iraq as a militant and committed serious crimes against civilians there, according to police evidence.

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Also, in Bergamo (Italy) 2 terror suspects (also so-called "refugees" and "asylum seekers") have been arrested after illegally sneaking into Italy with fake Norwegian and Austrian passports.

On their smartphones, propaganda pictures of IS and mass killings and militant actions in Syria were found, incl. they themselves in uniforms and fighting poses with weapons ...

[ingemann]

Wow, Germans are really pushing the whole "fleeing the same terror we are experiencing now" narrative. Couple of weeks ago Assad was still behind the crisis, now it's all of a sudden ISIS. Moreover what sort of terror are they escaping when they cross from Slovenia into Austria?

most people are fleeing both daesh and al-assad. i have no idea how this is not incredibly obvious to you.

ISIS appeared a few years after the Syrian civil war started where most of the influx to turkey was around 2011-2013.

ISIS went from being based mainly in Anbar region in iraq to crossing over to syria and taking most of the Deir es Zor to Jarablus.

Besides the areas that have intense ISIS conflict(Raqqa governate, Hasakah governate, Deir ez Zor) had 20% of the population prior to the conflict.

So its safe that most of them were not fleeing ISIS but the battles between the rebel groups and Assad's military.

As for the refugees in Turkey they're mostly from north western Syria, which was mostly under "FSA" control in 2011-2013, and the government only really began to reconquer it in early 2014

[Hydera]

Wow, Germans are really pushing the whole "fleeing the same terror we are experiencing now" narrative. Couple of weeks ago Assad was still behind the crisis, now it's all of a sudden ISIS. Moreover what sort of terror are they escaping when they cross from Slovenia into Austria?

most people are fleeing both daesh and al-assad. i have no idea how this is not incredibly obvious to you.

ISIS appeared a few years after the Syrian civil war started where most of the influx to turkey was around 2011-2013.

ISIS went from being based mainly in Anbar region in iraq to crossing over to syria and taking most of the Deir es Zor to Jarablus.

Besides the areas that have intense ISIS conflict(Raqqa governate, Hasakah governate, Deir ez Zor) had 20% of the population prior to the conflict.

So its safe that most of them were not fleeing ISIS but the battles between the rebel groups and Assad's military.

As for the refugees in Turkey they're mostly from north western Syria, which was mostly under "FSA" control in 2011-2013, and the government only really began to reconquer it in early 2014

Forgot to mention that ISIS's takeover of the Euphrates river area of Syria begun in early 2014.  The claim that syrians are "fleeing ISIS" even though ISIS only conquered an area where just 20% of the syrian population resided pre-war.  would mean a super large portion of syrians claiming to be fleeing ISIS would not pass the BS test.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Mostly I think you'll find that the refugees have been fleeing from the war in general, as is generally the case. The sheer murderous psychopathy of ISIS adds an extra couple of push factors (anyone denying this/that this is a factor wrt those currently leaving needs to be pushed off a cliff), but it isn't as though there weren't good reasons to get the hell out before...

[ingemann]

Mostly I think you'll find that the refugees have been fleeing from the war in general, as is generally the case. The sheer murderous psychopathy of ISIS adds an extra couple of push factors (anyone denying this/that this is a factor wrt those currently leaving needs to be pushed off a cliff), but it isn't as though there weren't good reasons to get the hell out before...

The problem with that analyse is the belief that ISIS is worse for the average Sunni Arab than FSA, they're not, when ISIS took power in much of eastern Syria, they did so with much popular support among the local Sunni Arabs because they replaced a mix of local warlords, regional councils and bandits with a state like structure, which was relative uncorrupt and had very low taxes (loot paid for ISIS early on). So ISIS have only really become unpopular among the general Sunni Arab population the last few months, of course they had alienated some tribes. So no ISIS is not really a factor for why people flee, with the exception of religious minorities, (some) Kurds and other rebels who flee a area when ISIS take over. You could make a better claim that the reconquest of ISIS areas by Kurds, Assyrians, Yadizi and loyalist/pro-Kurdish Arab tribes, is the main cause of people fleeing from ISIS areas, because funny enough people who have been betrayed by their neighbours tend to take revenge, when they return in a position of powers. Of course that leave the question is that really the kind of refugees you wish to welcome, people who have helped ISIS murdering their neighbour and made their neighbours daugthers into sex slaves?

[Tender Branson]

Prime Minister Stefan Löfven: Sweden has been 'naive' about terror threat

"Perhaps it's been hard for us to accept that in the middle of our open, democratic society there are people sympathizing with the Isil (Isis) killers," he told journalists at a press conference in Stockholm on Thursday afternoon.
 
The Social Democrat leader added that among the Swedes travelling to Syria and Iraq to fight for Isis there could be people who are also a threat to residents of the Nordic nation.
 
"It's completely unacceptable that people can take part in terrorism and return [to Sweden] without being held responsible," he continued.
 
However the Prime Minister suggested that his country was ill-prepared for the growth of Islamist extremism in the Nordics.
 
"Sweden has been naive, both previous [centre-right] and Social Democrat governments."

http://www.thelocal.se/20151119/swedish-pm-country-naive-about-terror-threat

Correct.

Acknowledgement is the first step towards improvement though and let's hope the other naive clowns powering ahead with their dangerous immigration policies (which includes Mutti Merkel, Faymann etc.) finally wake up from their dream-world.

[Yeahsayyeah]

I've come to the conclusion, that Tender is just trolling, at this point.

BTW, anecdotical evidence from people helping refugees in Leipzig is, that most Syrian people their, claim to have fled either the war in general or the Assad regime.

[Beezer]

I don't see how what he's saying is trolling. Apparently 2-3 of the Paris attackers came in as refugees. A government's job is to ensure the safety of its citizens. Germany is clearly not doing that by having a wide open border.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Breaking: can you see that subtle shout-out to an atlas user in this picture of a Syrian refugee making food for the homeless?

[Tender Branson]

Tonight during primetime, a 2-hour "citizen forum" about the migrant crisis and terrorism will be held on the ORF (the Austrian public broadcaster).



All 6 party leaders will face an audience of citizens in a town-hall style debate format and for the first time have to answer the questions and concerns of an angry and/or concerned electorate.

About time, because otherwise they are just forcing their dangerous policies down the throats of the Austrian population without even asking them if they like them or not.

http://tv.orf.at/program/orf2/20151124/768871601/404842

[Middle-aged Europe]

About time, because otherwise they are just forcing their dangerous policies down the throats of the Austrian population without even asking them if they like them or not.

http://tv.orf.at/program/orf2/20151124/768871601/404842

While some fears must be alleviated, politicians should also make clear that not every concern regarding refugees is justified though. Because some people are frankly morons and their opinion do not possess value just because they're citizens. For instance, I stopped counting how often I heard/read the argument that the current refugee crisis is the result of an American plot to weaken and/or destroy Germany by having deliberately creating the refugee crisis and directing the refugees to Germany.

[Helsinkian]

In a populist move to gather political points among those naive enough to support the wave of asylum seekers (and perhaps to deliberately annoy his coalition partner, the Finns Party), our Prime Minister Juha Sipilä (Centre Party) has decided to offer his own house in Kempele, Northern Finland, as an accomodation for circa 20 asylum seekers.

While the Sipilä house has not yet opened its doors to asylum seekers, there is already one asylum seeker accomodation centre in the small town of Kempele, intended for underage asylum seekers, whom the media has called "the most vulnerable" group.

Well, yesterday two of those "refugees" raped a 14 year old Finnish girl in Kempele. The suspects, Afghanis, are officially under 18 themselves, though experience (and dental based age determination) has shown that many 20-something asylum seekers lie about their age and pose as 16 or 17 year olds in order to improve their chances of staying in the country, so who knows how old they really are.

According to Finland's current laws, crimes committed in Finland during the time when the asylum seeker's application is processed have no bearing on the decision of granting asylum. Now Sipilä has called an emergency meeting with the ministers of the Interior and Justice, saying he wants to re-examine that law. It's not like this is the first such case in Finland, but apparently Sipilä was willing to shake some of his naivety only when it happened in his home town.

A while ago the Finnish police announced that they would no longer report that the suspects in a given case are asylum seekers (apparently there was an uncomfortably large number of those cases). And even in this case, the police first only announced to the public that the suspects were "of a foreign background"; commercial media then reported the details of them being Afghani asylum seekers. State media, inclined to self-censorship in these issues, repeated that information only when it was commented on by Sipilä himself.

In other news, tuberculosis and diphtheria, diseases thought long gone from this country, are making a come-back now with several cases reported among the asylum seekers.

Is this the "enrichment" of which we have been hearing?

[Tender Branson]

Winter is coming.

It dumped ca. 10 inches of snow here the past few days and temps went down to -10°C (14°F) during the nights.

There are also massive storms in the Aegean Sea right now, making the boating to the Greek isles extremely dangerous. It also dumped quite a bit of snow in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia, while it's raining badly in Macedonia/Bulgaria/Northern Greece.

Generally sh*tty and cold situations - which means the migrant flow has been reduced from about 10.000 daily in the previous weeks to about 1.000-2.000 per day now.

Also, Macedonia and Serbia started to "sort out" economic migrants who are not from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan - which means they won't leave in migrants from countries such as Morocco (which is a safe country) etc.

3.000 economic migrants (those who like to pick and choose which country they want to go to) are now at the Macedonia border and some of them today clashed with the police there because they think they "have a right to go to Germany on Mama Merkel's invitation" ...

[Tender Branson]

Turkey has rounded up 1000s of migrants today heading for Greece, hours after the EU pledged to write Turkey a check worth 3 billion €.

Hopefully the Turks continue to do their part and keep the migrants in the country.

[Helsinkian]

Well, yesterday two of those "refugees" raped a 14 year old Finnish girl in Kempele.

Within a week, there have been two other similar cases: another 14-year old and an 18-year old were raped and in both cases the suspect is an asylum seeker.

[DavidB.]

Today in the Dutch news: the organization that helps refugees in Amsterdam decided to place LGBT refugees in separate asylum seeker locations. Quote from an Amsterdam-based newspaper: "They are being spat on, threatened, called a disgrace for their people: gay and transgender refugees have a hard time in asylum seeker centers". Men from Syria, Iraq and Iran who were threatened have been relocated.

Already in October, the main Dutch LGBT rights organization COC called upon the government to ensure the safety of LGBT refugees, stating that many of them are too scared to file a complaint. However, the government does not want to implement segregated locations for refugees who have been the victim of violence on the basis of their sexual orientation on a national level. Deputy Immigration Minister Klaas Dijkhoff (VVD) called the practice of separating migrants on the basis of sexuality "stigmatizing". Prime Minister Rutte stated that segregation is not the solution and that every migrant has to comply with Dutch "values and norms" from day one. Deputy Prime Minister Lodewijk Asscher (PvdA) proposed that aggressive migrants, not LGBT migrants, be the ones who should be relocated. Perhaps it would be an even better idea to send these aggressive people on the first plane back to the Middle East.

In any case, the Amsterdam-based aid organization felt compelled to nonetheless relocate LGBT asylum seekers: after two violent incidents, it stated that "we could not guarantee their safety".

[Tender Branson]

More horrible news from the migrant front here in Austria:

* 2 IS terror suspects arrested in Salzburg in a migrant transit camp to Germany
* 2 "Arab"-talking and looking men raping a 14-year old girl in Leoben, Styria
* 25 young Arab males arrested after they started a brutal fight in a Styria asylum camp
* The Vienna AMS introducing gender-segregated job training courses for asylum seekers, after many young Arab males objected to being in class together with women

http://www.thelocal.at/20151204/two-terror-suspects-nabbed-in-salzburg

http://steiermark.orf.at/news/stories/2744747

http://www.thelocal.at/20151204/25-arrests-after-fight-in-asylum-centre

http://www.thelocal.at/20151203/kurz-slams-single-sex-courses-for-refugees

[DavidB.]

"The refugees posing on this picture in front of the Amsterdam Central Station are looking for host families. They are not safe in the asylum seeker centers in which they are currently staying. They are being discriminated by fellow refugees on a daily basis due to their sexual orientation."

This post, by Dutch NGO "Secret Garden" for LGBTs with a non-native ethnic/cultural background, went viral.

I have been critical of the migrant wave, yet LGBT migrants are exactly the ones whom we should welcome in our countries, since they are simply not safe elsewhere. I am ashamed that they are basically begging to stay in a safe place. The government is responsible for this, and even if I am glad the Amsterdam-based organization is finding homes for these people it is a disgrace that this is happening. It is also a disgrace that we are admitting people to our countries who make asylum seeker centers unsafe for LGBT people.

[dead0man]

Agreed 100%

[Helsinkian]

In Finland, the asylum seekers keep molesting young girls at such a rate that a school in the town of Heinola has issued a statement in which the school advises girls not to go outside alone after dark (in December that means after 3 pm). In the statement the principal also says that girls should avoid making eye contact with "a group of men" and that they should think what kind of effects "an easygoing behaviour" among girls might have on men from certain countries. (So basically she's blaming the victims as well.)

The whole of Europe is turning into Rotherham. Here's a wild idea: instead of curfews for our girls, why don't we try locking up the animals who are molesting them? But I guess not: according to our civil servants in the immigration office, not even a conviction of rape will prevent an asylum seeker from breing granted asylum if he meets the criteria of a "refugee".

[DavidB.]

In Finland, the asylum seekers keep molesting young girls at such a rate that a school in the town of Heinola has issued a statement in which the school advises girls not to go outside alone after dark (in December that means after 3 pm). In the statement the principal also says that girls should avoid making eye contact with "a group of men" and that they should think what kind of effects "an easygoing behaviour" among girls might have on men from certain countries. (So basically she's blaming the victims as well.)

The whole of Europe is turning into Rotherham. Here's a wild idea: instead of curfews for our girls, why don't we try locking up the animals who are molesting them? But I guess not: according to our civil servants in the immigration office, not even a conviction of rape will prevent an asylum seeker from breing granted asylum if he meets the criteria of a "refugee".

I have never been to Finland, but it saddens and angers me so much that Finnish politicians are allowing to happen the same things that were already known to be extremely damaging in other European countries.

[Helsinkian]

The Finnish police has arrested two Iraqi asylum seekers who are suspected to have murdered at least 11 people in Iraq as ISIS members. It seems that there is video material to back this up.

[Tender Branson]

Hilarious:

Austria is currently building a 2-mile "border fence-ish thing" on the Slovenia border with an 800 meter gap in it (LOL).

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http://www.thelocal.at/20151211/vineyard-owners-sabotage-border-fence

[Tender Branson]

New terrible migrant crime cases come to light (first reported on Facebook, then the police had to confirm it officially so that they are not under the impression of "cover-up" or "censorship"):

Case 1: 26-year old Syrian repeatedly raped his 13-year (!!!) old wife in the state of Styria
Case 2: 20-year old Iraqi raped a 10-year old in a Vienna swimming center
Case 3: A 17-year old Afghan raped a 72-year old Austrian woman in Lower Austria



http://www.krone.at/Politik/Darf_ueber_Taten_von_Fluechtlingen_berichtet_werden-Schwieriger_Fall-Story-486174

http://derstandard.at/2000026130930/Jugendlicher-nach-Vergewaltigung-in-Traiskirchen-in-Haft

Our new future "skilled" immigrant surgeons, lawyers, IT-workers, managers etc. in action !

[Helsinkian]

"Massive ISIS rally in Germany leaves citizens dumb founded" http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cfb_1449062774#SMfvAeurP7WOlM2p.99

I don't speak Arabic, but they are certainly waving the ISIS flag.