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« Reply #550 on: September 22, 2015, 01:56:00 PM »
« edited: September 22, 2015, 02:25:59 PM by politicus »

EU has agreed to share the 120,000 refugees. Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Romania voted against it, but it is approved by a qualified majority.
Slovakian PM premierminister Robert Fico says that his country refuses to accept the quotas and is prepared to break EU-rules and face the consequences.

"As long as I am PM mandatory quotas will not be implemented on Slovak territory"

Czech President Milos Zeman: "Only the future will show exactly how big a mistake this agreement was"

Poland had announced they would vote no, but ended up supporting it (giveaway to PiS, but the German pressure was hard), while Finland abstained.  

It is very unusual for EU make decisions regarding national sovereignty without unilateral consent, but obviously also unusual circumstances.
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« Reply #551 on: September 22, 2015, 02:02:26 PM »
« Edited: September 22, 2015, 02:04:12 PM by politicus »

This vote confirms my belief that Slovakia won't accept to be the backdoor to EU after Hungary and Croatia close their borders (assuming a HDZ win in Croatia). Fico remains a hardliner on this issue despite not being on the right wing (Zeman too for that matter).
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« Reply #552 on: September 22, 2015, 06:05:53 PM »

EU passes pointless relocation scheme, in the process fueling euroscepticism across the continent. All in a day's fudge...
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« Reply #553 on: September 22, 2015, 07:03:54 PM »

This vote confirms my belief that Slovakia won't accept to be the backdoor to EU after Hungary and Croatia close their borders (assuming a HDZ win in Croatia). Fico remains a hardliner on this issue despite not being on the right wing (Zeman too for that matter).

It is a very Fico thing to do though - he knows how to play the left-wing nationalist card, and sometimes gets ahead of himself and says stuff like "Slovakia was Not established for the minorities!" (I honestly get a Trump vibe from him)
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« Reply #554 on: September 22, 2015, 07:23:57 PM »
« Edited: September 22, 2015, 08:39:35 PM by politicus »

This vote confirms my belief that Slovakia won't accept to be the backdoor to EU after Hungary and Croatia close their borders (assuming a HDZ win in Croatia). Fico remains a hardliner on this issue despite not being on the right wing (Zeman too for that matter).

It is a very Fico thing to do though - he knows how to play the left-wing nationalist card, and sometimes gets ahead of himself and says stuff like "Slovakia was Not established for the minorities!" (I honestly get a Trump vibe from him)

Yes anything else had been surprising and could have undermined Smers dominant position, but the German pressure was intense.

Robert Fico:

"Every decent person from the world is welcome to Slovakia, but should respect the environment, values and rules, which are dominant in Slovakia. Given that Slovakia is a country where the Catholic church dominates, and the second largest is the Lutheran church, then perhaps we could not easily tolerate that 300 or 400,000 arriving Muslims would start building mosques and changing the nature, culture and values of the state"
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« Reply #555 on: September 22, 2015, 10:01:39 PM »

EU prepared to essentially pay Greece to cede border control to the union.

http://www.tovima.gr/en/article/?aid=739590

Financial aid in return for accepting supervision of the country’s borders  from Frontex.

(Wonder if ANEL can accept that.. would fit many of their old conspiracy theories.)

Cross posted from the Greece thread.

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« Reply #556 on: September 23, 2015, 05:01:37 AM »

The Austrian parliament is currently in session and will pass a new "Asylum Law of Force" in the afternoon, proposed by SPÖVPGreens.

The law would allow the government to confiscate (unused) property in every Austrian town/city (no matter what the town's mayor or its population say) and transform it into asylum seeker quarters.

We'll see if NEOS votes with SPÖVPGreens. FPÖ and TS are voting against.
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« Reply #557 on: September 23, 2015, 05:09:19 AM »

The Austrian parliament is currently in session and will pass a new "Asylum Law of Force" in the afternoon, proposed by SPÖVPGreens.

The law would allow the government to confiscate (unused) property in every Austrian town/city (no matter what the town's mayor or its population say) and transform it into asylum seeker quarters.

We'll see if NEOS votes with SPÖVPGreens. FPÖ and TS are voting against.

Update: NEOS to vote with SPÖVPGreens.
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« Reply #558 on: September 23, 2015, 05:32:04 AM »

EU has agreed to share the 120,000 refugees. Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Romania voted against it, but it is approved by a qualified majority.

It is very unusual for EU make decisions regarding national sovereignty without unilateral consent, but obviously also unusual circumstances.
Congratulations for all right wing to far-right parties in their upcoming national elections
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« Reply #559 on: September 23, 2015, 05:34:44 AM »

EU has agreed to share the 120,000 refugees. Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Romania voted against it, but it is approved by a qualified majority.

It is very unusual for EU make decisions regarding national sovereignty without unilateral consent, but obviously also unusual circumstances.
Congratulations for all right wing to far-right parties in their upcoming national elections

Yes. You can already witness it this Sunday in the Upper Austria state election, where the FPÖ is projected to surge from 15% in 2009 to 30% - or maybe even to 35% - and maybe even win the state from the ÖVP (2009: 47%) if everything plays out "right" for them.
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« Reply #560 on: September 23, 2015, 05:42:40 AM »

New development:

Homeless (Austrian citizens) have been turned away at the food distribution spots for migrants in Salzburg, with the volunteers telling them "this is only for migrants passing Austria for Germany".

The charity CARITAS, which runs the thing, later said this was a "big mistake" and that homeless Austrians "would of course also be invited to receive one meal a day at these spots" ...
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« Reply #561 on: September 23, 2015, 05:48:58 AM »

17-year old Afghani asylum seeker knifes down and kills 50-year old Turk in a park in Salzburg, after a bunch of Afghanis and Turks had a fist/knife/metal-rod fight with each other:

http://salzburg.orf.at/news/stories/2733167

These are some of the problems that our naive left-leftists on here are trying to hide under the carpet, but which will increase with these masses coming in ...
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« Reply #562 on: September 23, 2015, 05:50:46 AM »

The Austrian parliament is currently in session and will pass a new "Asylum Law of Force" in the afternoon, proposed by SPÖVPGreens.

The law would allow the government to confiscate (unused) property in every Austrian town/city (no matter what the town's mayor or its population say) and transform it into asylum seeker quarters.

We'll see if NEOS votes with SPÖVPGreens. FPÖ and TS are voting against.
New development:

Homeless (Austrian citizens) have been turned away at the food distribution spots for migrants in Salzburg, with the volunteers telling them "this is only for migrants passing Austria for Germany".

The charity CARITAS, which runs the thing, later said this was a "big mistake" and that homeless Austrians "would of course also be invited to receive one meal a day at these spots" ...
It's almost like they WANT the backlash.  Do the property owners at least get a little "rent" from the govt?
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« Reply #563 on: September 23, 2015, 05:57:44 AM »

The Austrian parliament is currently in session and will pass a new "Asylum Law of Force" in the afternoon, proposed by SPÖVPGreens.

The law would allow the government to confiscate (unused) property in every Austrian town/city (no matter what the town's mayor or its population say) and transform it into asylum seeker quarters.

We'll see if NEOS votes with SPÖVPGreens. FPÖ and TS are voting against.
New development:

Homeless (Austrian citizens) have been turned away at the food distribution spots for migrants in Salzburg, with the volunteers telling them "this is only for migrants passing Austria for Germany".

The charity CARITAS, which runs the thing, later said this was a "big mistake" and that homeless Austrians "would of course also be invited to receive one meal a day at these spots" ...
It's almost like they WANT the backlash.  Do the property owners at least get a little "rent" from the govt?

I would think so, otherwise it would go to court anyway and Austrian courts do not side with the pro-disappropriationists.

But the government will focus on public property anyway to establish asylum centres accross the country like mushrooms popping out - before they try to confiscate any private property.

But this law that is proposed today is a constitutionally changing law (SPÖVPGreensNEOS have more than 2/3 in parliament), so anything is possible. What's Austrian federalism good for, if you can just run over the mayors and over the people ? How can they be so stupid and constantly neglect the will of the people who elected them ?

You are right, it's not "almost like" they want the backlash. They definitely want it.
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« Reply #564 on: September 23, 2015, 06:15:25 AM »

Centre-right parties like ÖVP and NEOS voting for this is really strange. Especially NEOS, which is outside the "united parties" establishment.
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« Reply #565 on: September 23, 2015, 11:49:51 AM »

Analysts expect PiS to renege on the 7,000 refugee quota that Poland has agreed to take after they win. Which could undermine the whole deal.

As the next PM of Poland says:

"EU’s decision is a scandal. It was approved in violation of our national security and without the support of the Polish people"

- Beata Szydlo
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« Reply #566 on: September 23, 2015, 03:10:51 PM »

The EU deal will only encompass 66,000 refugees, not 120,000. The remaining 54,000 should have come from Hungary, but since the Hungarians won't accept a quota system on principle, this share will be postponed and distributed in a year from Italy and Greece.

The 66,000 will be 15.600 from Italy and 50.400 from Greece.

Denmark and Ireland are outside the agreement, but will voluntarily (well, officially..) take some later.
UK, Norway and Switzerland are outside the agreement, but are prepared to join in, no numbers have been specified for them yet:

Receipients in rounded numbers:

Finlan 1,300
Sweden 2,400
Germany 17,000
Netherlands 3,900
Belgium 2,500
Luxembourg 200
France 13,000
Spain 8,100
Portugal 1,600
Bulgaria 900
Romania 2,500
Croatia 600
Slovenia 300
Hungary 1,300
Austria 1,900
Slovakia 800 (# but refuse to take any)
Czech republic 1,600
Poland 5,100
Lithuania 400
Latvia 300
Estonia 200

Hungary declining to get any help, while having to take 1,300 as a quota from Greece and Italy is bizarre. F
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« Reply #567 on: September 23, 2015, 03:25:11 PM »

Cyrprus and Malta not taking any, I see.

I don't see why you're surprised with NEOS, considering their electorate.
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« Reply #568 on: September 23, 2015, 03:31:31 PM »
« Edited: September 23, 2015, 03:43:20 PM by politicus »

Cyprus and Malta not taking any, I see.

Cyprus 147 and Malta 71. Forgot about them, such small numbers.

The three EU countries outside the agreement have offered to take:

UK 20,000
Ireland 4,000
Denmark 1,000

In addition to those that arrive by themselves (but that will be a low number for UK and Ireland).

No specific offers from Norway and Switzerland yet. Iceland will take theirs directly from camps in Lebanon and not join the EU led distribution.
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« Reply #569 on: September 24, 2015, 09:30:08 AM »

The Salzburg Red Cross is to build a couple state-of-the-art Scandinavian-style wooden houses for hundreds of asylum seekers in the next 2 months, for the price of 1 million €:

http://www.salzburg24.at/fluechtlinge-rotes-kreuz-errichtet-holzhaeuser-in-salzburg/4464122
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« Reply #570 on: September 24, 2015, 11:15:09 AM »

Tbf, 1 million euros for "hundreds of asylum seekers" (houses which surely can be reappropriated after the crisis) seems like quite a good deal. And it's not like it's coming out of the public purse if the Red Cross are paying for it so...
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« Reply #571 on: September 24, 2015, 03:10:22 PM »

Daily migrant arrivals in Hungary:

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« Reply #572 on: September 24, 2015, 03:20:16 PM »

Cyprus and Malta not taking any, I see.
No specific offers from Norway and Switzerland yet.

The seven members of the Federal Council only convene on Wednesdays so I don't expect any decision regarding the precise number of refugees Switzerland is going to take before next week.
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« Reply #573 on: September 25, 2015, 04:35:34 AM »

ZDF asks...is the cohesion of the EU severely threatened by the refugee crisis?


http://www.heute.de/fluechtlingskrise-fast-zwei-drittel-sehen-zusammenhalt-in-der-eu-gefaehrdet-einbussen-fuer-merkel-40264654.html

Merkel's popularity has also dropped. On a scale of +5 to -5, here score now stands at 1.9, down from 2.4 earlier this September. This is her worst result of the current parliament.
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« Reply #574 on: September 25, 2015, 08:02:04 AM »

Hmm, this is the kind of story that could really help the AfD: Nurse with a rather measly salary is told to move out of her apartment so that migrants can move in. http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article146825325/Fuer-Fluechtlinge-gekuendigt-Das-war-wie-ein-Tritt.html
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