Europe-Middle East-Africa Refugee Crisis General Thread

[ingemann]

The problem is the major victims of sexual assault are refugee women themselves, and I fail to see how that can be stopped by closing borders to protect the nation-state safe space.

So we should protect Middle Eastern women from rape by letting all the rapists emigrate to Europe?

But more seriously, the sexual abuses of illegal immigrants on their trips toward their emigration targets are rampant, here a solution could be to stop those emigration waves by sending people retur to refugee camps in the local areas. This would ensure that we didn't see the abuses of illegal immigrants as they tried to reach their targets. Of course we would still need to let some in, but these could be selected in the refugee camps near their land of origin.

Supporting that people can get asylum by arriving at the countries border, when it's several thousands kilometers away from the conflict zone, only support the abuse illegal immigrants are treated with on their travels.

[SNJ1985]

According to the annual crime report of Germany's Federal Criminal Police Office there were 1.029 cases of politically motivated violent crimes (the majority of which being assaults and battery) perpetrated by right-wing extremists in the year 2014, an increase by 22.9% compared to 2013.

Assmuming that the rate of increase stayed the same we're talking about maybe 1.250 cases for 2015. That's roughly 3.5 politically motivated violent crimes perpetrated by right-wing extremists each day. Which means that statistically speaking there have must have been about 20 cases of violence comitted by right-wing extremists against other people since the beginning of this week (February 1) in Germany.

Some examples from this week include:

http://www.lvz.de/Mitteldeutschland/Polizeiticker-Mitteldeutschland/Angriff-mit-Messer-auf-Asylbewerber-in-Regis-Breitingen

http://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/50152/3243491

http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/krefeld/beleidigungen-in-der-regionalbahn-aelteres-ehepaar-bedroht-mutter-und-kind-aid-1.5739160

In addition, there was a case of a 21-year-old woman from Thuringia who admitted that her story of being raped by a group of asylum seekers had been completely fabricated:

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/vergewaltigung-von-fluechtlingen-von-21-jaehriger-erfunden-a-1075977.html

So, Omega21, Beezer, and Tender Branson apparently had both the time and the inclination to post five cases of supposed crimes committed by immigrants in Europe. But they weren't able (or willing) to post at least one of the other cases I just mentioned, be it just to ensure a more balanced view of the situation.

Two wrongs don't make a right. The fact that right-wing extremists sometimes commit crimes doesn't make it OK for migrants to commit crimes.

Also, it should be noted that German authorities often try to cover up crimes committed by migrants. They often don't show up in official statistics.

Police and politicians in Germany have been keeping silent on migrant crime for years:

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article151089556/Ende-der-Schweigekultur-um-kriminelle-Nordafrikaner.html

I'm getting the impression that left-wingers think any policy other than ''let migrants do whatever they want with impunity'' is racist.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Well, there aren't really such thing like 'I support mass immigration!'.

'Please invade my country! Invade me! Please!'

(well, there are some like that but in other kinds of contexts)

There are people that say that prople in need should be welcomed if you can help them.

That's 'easy' too.

At most you have 'No Borders' people, that plead for well, 'no borders', which is different and puts a new perspective on a lot of things.

Personally, I think I can share some of those new perspectives, and for exalple the EU laboratory is something that de facto aimed at something like that (well, so far...), then it might not be totally insane either (wait, is EU insane? oh...).

And also, look, for example, immigration can be a great thing to renew your culture and your population.

And look, it already began, it brings to some very dense new ideas, so dense that it can be quite challenging to get, look:

In France, in Calais and around to be precise, you have this good deal of refugees that tries to go to UK, they don't care about staying in France for most of them, I already indicated why, and France/French 'not really' want of them either.

So, what's the problem here?!

We prevent them to leave!

They don't want to be here, people here wouldn't want them either, but we make more and more violent little wars with them in order to force them to stay here and to ask a so pleasant 'asylum' here.

Isn't that a f**king brillant brand new concept about immigration??

I wonder what magical things brought that to us, can only be wizzards...

(most people would assume he comes from the other part that sea, but it also permits to bring a fancy thing in a less fancy thread)

Thanks to those great wizards, people in Calais turn more and more radical, some organize themselves in militias of which the only goal is to 'crack down the browns', which they regularly do, in the 'jungle', in the brilliant shanty muddy 'camps, or right in the streets of the city now...

Ah, and today, for the 1st time, Calais has been rewarded with its 1st little Pegida demonstration...

Turn down those flags, assholes...

(ah, and, if you want more than this pic about that little 'European Pegida Day')

And the average citizens prefer making it more discretly, more and more, in the voting booth...

This while there used to be a kind of tradition about helping migrants in Calais in the recent enough past...

We can thank all the generous wizards for that brilliant thing, because it actually is brilliant since it seems that most people find this kinda unique treatment of immigration totally normal...

Well, as long as you strike the browns, all is normal, isn't it?

[Beezer]

Well, it's not like the French don't want to get rid of the Calais jungle migrants. It's just that Britain will have no part of it.

And yes, I agree immigration can have its upsides. But these are supposedly refugees, not immigrants. The "refugees welcome" crowd essentially wants to have it both ways. Place no restrictions on these people and their free movement cause they're refugees but then treat them like any immigrant (i.e. integrate them cause they will stay forever) when refugees actually have to head home eventually. I want Germany to have proper immigration laws like Canada and other places across the world. It's utter insanity to have immigration policies on ther other hand that consist of people racing to your borders.

Anyway, we've been through this issue countless times. Most data now indicates that the migrants will bring virtually no benefit to our economies. Here in Germany there is talk of the migrant crisis adding 0.5% annually to our GDP...hardly something to brag about when you have a population increase of close to 2%.

[DavidB.]

The economic argument is intellectually dishonest bullsh**t and no "Refugees Welcome" person cares about this. People are for taking in migrants because they think they are refugees and we should help them (which I think is a case of poor judgment, but I can understand it), not because of potential economic benefits.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Well, it's not like the French don't want to get rid of the Calais jungle migrants. It's just that Britain will have no part of it.

...rly??

Thanks to sort it out for me!!

Then that are those that people of Calais have to thank for all this brilliant mess...

Before that brilliant magical thing that UK managed to make do to our proud authorities, there wasn't so much violence in the past as I had already said, even during preceding big waves of migrants. It wasn't the cool hippie life, but lately it seems to take turns it never took before, everybody turning more violent and radical, migrants, local populations, police forces.

Kudos to the wizards.

It's a very simple thing, 'land' belongs to nobody, and someone that is only born on a land to benefit from it but yet refuses to share it with any people asking for it, and this no matter those accept to comply to the welcoming society rules, there might be like a 'fairness issue', you know, and de facto legitimates the notion of...conquest...of said land by the people that could need it, with all the different shades of it that it could include...

May people enjoy the brilliant future that all of this might be preparing...

[DavidB.]

Uh, no. Hate to break your bubble, but the UK isn't responsible for the fact that the migrants in the "jungle" of Calais have dreams about life in the UK that do not have any connection to reality, and London is not under any obligation to take in these migrants.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Uh, no. Hate to break your bubble, but the UK isn't responsible for the fact that the migrants in the "jungle" of Calais have dreams about life in the UK that do not have any connection to reality, and London is not under any obligation to take in these migrants.

Hmm...and...the French police shouldn't be under any obligation to prevent those people to try to enter the UK, and to organize repression as if they had to defend British border, but magic is on...

Oh, and, I fear they only have very normal fairy tales about life in UK in the head:

Look they speak English!
Hey it's easy to get a job there! Look the rate!
London big rich city!
Hey we got cousins there too!

Stuffs like that for the main ones.

[Beezer]

Story about a Somali pirate who enjoyed torturing people now residing in Germany as a refugee: http://www.zeit.de/2016/04/piraterie-asylbewerber-somalia-verdacht/komplettansicht

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

I guess its now general thread for Middle Eastern/Levantine/whatever issues so I guess I can post it there without making separate thread:

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/algerian-lawmakers-vote-constitutional-reforms-1967012689

Algerian parliament voted on new constitution.

[DavidB.]

I guess its now general thread for Middle Eastern/Levantine/whatever issues so I guess I can post it there without making separate thread:

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/algerian-lawmakers-vote-constitutional-reforms-1967012689

Algerian parliament voted on new constitution.

Not really, this doesn't have much to do with the migrant crisis.

[Omega21]

Just gonna slip this video in... It's short, worth a watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfJQIiP6h10

[dead0man]

My favorite part....

Refugees, please use the toilets and stop raping women.

RACIST!


Reminds me of many of our fellow posters.

[Omega21]

My favorite part....

Refugees, please use the toilets and stop raping women.

RACIST!


Reminds me of many of our fellow posters.

Brainwashed like the Nazis under Hitler, just this time it's by the Extreme Left. Can't say it's as bad as Nazism but its bad nevertheless. This is genocide too, although it is much slower and less obvious, but 1000+ Immigrants raping/stealing/fighting in one night in a country like Germany should be a clear warning.

A little extra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XelUcfPpmM

Short again, but it shows what a group of migrants does on the highway. (Hint: By no means are they stopping traffic and opening trucks by force)

[dead0man]

That is insane.  Is it legal to be on the highways like that in Europe?  It certainly isn't here.

[Omega21]

That is insane.  Is it legal to be on the highways like that in Europe?  It certainly isn't here.

Ofcourse it's not, the general speedlimits are 120+ km/h so at normal traffic that would be suicide.

But I guess the refugees don't care all that much for laws, except for Sharia law ofcourse.

(And I know not all of them are like this, but even if just 5-10% are like this Europe needs to go into fortress mode, ASAP.. they can be helped by building Camps in Lebanon,Syria,Iraq,Turkey (Parts of countries not affected by the conflict), also Humanitarian aid, UN Peacekeepers, Money and so on. This would help a lot of those affected by the war and would still not endanger Europe and cause havoc upon it's Social system and culture.

[Cassius]

If I recall correctly there is no official 'maximum speed limit' in Germany.

[Omega21]

If I recall correctly there is no official 'maximum speed limit' in Germany.

That a misconception, a lot of parts of the Autobahn indeed have speed limits on them. But still, it's not the point.

The refugees attacking inoccent truck drivers and blocking traffic are the point..

[DavidB.]

That a misconception, a lot of parts of the Autobahn indeed have speed limits on them. But still, it's not the point.

Not really a misconception. You're right, but about 50% of the motorways in Germany do not have any speed limits.

This video was made in France, however. I can tell because of the layout of the roadsigns.

[palandio]

This thread is heading into a direction that I personally find disturbing.

I actually enjoy reading controversial discussions (e.g. David discussing wih Crab), but not certain types of agitation and propaganda by some posters.

Two links on topics that might be interesting:

A hoaxmap documenting debunked rumors about refugees:
http://hoaxmap.org/
(And yes, there are many incidents involving refugees, but many are made-up to inflate the numbers and create an athmosphere of tension.)

For those who can read German a link to an article about German Muslims and how many of them have quite critical or mixed views on the recent refugee wave:
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/fluechtlingskrise/warum-deutsche-muslime-abneigung-gegen-fluechtlinge-haben-14059221.html

"Unfiltered immigration", "danger of islamist terror in German cities", "foreign cultures from Syria and North Africa", "let in the specialists and people that fit into Germany, but keep the illiterates out", "Merkel's fault that I can't feel safe anymore", "I'm harrassed by young men that are speaking Arabic loudly and harrassing me", "is ok when they come but they have to adjust", "with the refugees many problems of the world are coming to us", "my fellow Kurds in Turkey don't come to Germany, they're fleeing within Turkey, it's possible, you see "when you need to worry about your wife and kids, you can't be relaxed", "Syrians are ok, but most that come are fake Syrians", "they come here and have more rights and advantages than us, we have been here and working hard for decades", "the problem is the young North Africans", "I'm a Moroccan myself, but all is lost from the beginning for most arriving Moroccans and Algerians", "integration of uneducated refugees will fail".

Sounds familiar? Yes, and it's German Muslims saying it. Of course this is only a part of all German Muslims, but as you see Muslims are not a monolithic bloc.

[Omega21]

Thats why i wrote Ultra Muslims, meaning they live just by their religion and someone who does that should not be allowed to reside in Germany, as Sharia and Democracy don't go well together.


No need to explain this to me, I live in a country which is 50% Muslim and have rarely had any problems, but it's a very different kind of Islam to what your countries are letting pour through, and noone is at fault except the voters.


The problem is not which religion is in question, the problem is to which extent is that religion followed. If Europe was still very religious then Gay's wouldn't have any basic rights.


A big part of this wave of migrants is uneducated and have no regard for Democratic/Westen laws or values, for some only law is Sharia and the Quran.

And if you missed my last video, a docummentary done by a Left-wing TV station ZDF about how "well" some Muslims are integrated then here you go, and please if you have the time watch it, at least the first 10 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVWAIKoatWM

At least if you don't believe me, believe your Left-wing bretherin.

[Middle-aged Europe]

There's now a "Hoaxmap" which collects all alleged reports of asylum seekers committing crimes in Germany which have been disproven as false:

http://hoaxmap.org/

Currently, it lists 200 crimes which didn't occur, including 39 cases of rape by asylum seekers which didn't occur.

[Beezer]

I suppose an alternative map illustrating migrant crime would be shut down pretty quickly...

Speaking of rape: "Algerian asylum seeker shouts 'if Allah wills it' while raping 25 year old German university student"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3440601/Algerian-sex-attacker-shouted-Inshallah-Allah-wills-raped-25-year-old-German-student-asked-enjoyed-it.html

[palandio]

Thats why i wrote Ultra Muslims, meaning they live just by their religion and someone who does that should not be allowed to reside in Germany, as Sharia and Democracy don't go well together.


No need to explain this to me, I live in a country which is 50% Muslim and have rarely had any problems, but it's a very different kind of Islam to what your countries are letting pour through, and noone is at fault except the voters.


The problem is not which religion is in question, the problem is to which extent is that religion followed. If Europe was still very religious then Gay's wouldn't have any basic rights.


A big part of this wave of migrants is uneducated and have no regard for Democratic/Westen laws or values, for some only law is Sharia and the Quran.

And if you missed my last video, a docummentary done by a Left-wing TV station ZDF about how "well" some Muslims are integrated then here you go, and please if you have the time watch it, at least the first 10 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVWAIKoatWM

At least if you don't believe me, believe your Left-wing bretherin.

I'll tell you something. I think that Merkel asking everybody to come to Germany was wrong, that most of German immigration politics since September was a failure (though also caused by the miopic politics in the years before that) and I support stricter immigration politics (closing the Balkan route, no "wild" immigration; temporary distribution of war refugees mostly to neighboring countries [Germany and other European countries should take a certain share]; consequent deportation of rejected asylum seekers). I also don't like how many of our media are equating "besorgte Bürger" ("worried citizens") and right-wing extremists. How every step away from uncontrolled immigration is confounded with infringing on the right to political asylum. How we are seeing masses of underqualified North African and Afghan young men and reading of the engineer from Aleppo and his wife and children.

But at the same time I don't like the apocalyptic hyperbole of the far-right, the constant whining ("ooh, someone called me ... for saying what I think"), the daily African-eats-child stories, the believe in a geno-suicide conspiracy, calling the CDU leftist as if immigration was the only issue on the political spectrum.

I don't like the tone of many of your posts. I like it more when you are explaining what you mean and arguing instead of just posting links ("hey, I found another video that proves my point" "and another one" "and another one") and shadow boxing with immaginary adversaries ("you naive lefties are saying that..." etc.)

[Beezer]

German bus drivers and conductors are increasingly attacked by migrants, especially from north Africa, if they dare ask whether they have a valid ticket. From the right-wing hate rag HuffPo (in German): http://www.huffingtonpost.de/2016/02/11/die-kollegen-werden-bespu_n_9209604.html