Trump: Make America White Again?

[Adam Griffin]

The great thing about Trump is that he is bringing out the latent racism in America in a way that even Obama himself couldn't.

[Maxwell]

The great thing about Trump is that he is bringing out the latent racism in America in a way that even Obama himself couldn't.

It's truly eye opening.

[bobloblaw]

The great thing about Trump is that he is bringing out the latent racism in America in a way that even Obama himself couldn't.

Because border integrity is racist. BTW what race are Mexicans anyways?

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Headline: liberals shocked at emergence of white identity politics after having pushed non-white identity politics for 30+ years.

[bobloblaw]

Headline: liberals shocked at emergence of white identity politics after having pushed non-white identity politics for 30+ years.

If you keep telling whites they will soon be a minority, dont be shocked if they start acting like minorities. This is why 60% white support is a floor for the GOP not a ceiling. By mid 2020s, the GOP will easily surpass Nixon's 66% of the white vote he got in 1972 on the way to 70-75% by mid 2030s

[Adam Griffin]

The great thing about Trump is that he is bringing out the latent racism in America in a way that even Obama himself couldn't.

Because border integrity is racist. BTW what race are Mexicans anyways?

Newsflash: low-information voters who fall for this nonsense don't make that distinction. Apparently, neither does Trump. Do you really think his dog-whistling has just been confined to one group of people? LOL. There's a reason nationalist and racist organizations in this country have so much overlap, and an even greater reason why they're all lining up lock, stock and barrel behind Trump like they haven't done with any modern presidential candidate.

[bobloblaw]

The great thing about Trump is that he is bringing out the latent racism in America in a way that even Obama himself couldn't.

Because border integrity is racist. BTW what race are Mexicans anyways?

Newsflash: low-information voters who fall for this nonsense don't make that distinction. Apparently, neither does Trump. Do you really think his dog-whistling has just been confined to one group of people? LOL. There's a reason nationalist and racist organizations in this country have so much overlap, and an even greater reason why they're all lining up lock, stock and barrel behind Trump like they haven't done with any modern presidential candidate.

Why dont you make the case for unlimited immigration and permanent low wages instead of yelling "racist". I can tell youve lost the argument. Screaming "Racist" is like yelling "Counter Revolution" among leftists. It is meant to avoid debate and silence any dissent.

[bobloblaw]

Those who support illegal immigration support the white Mexican elites who run the country there and refuse to make the social, economic and political changes necessary to make Mexico more inclusive and pluralistic and improve upward mobility. Instead the Mexican elites want to dump their social problems on the USA so they can continue their ruling class lifestyles and political power in Mexico.

There is nothing "progressive" about illegal immigration, which is why Caesar Chavez and Barbara Jordan opposed not only illegal immigration but wanted limits on legal immigration. Modern American progressives are allied with some of the most regressive groups of people in Mexico.

H1B Visas: Legalized indentured servitude.
Come to the USA, work in STEM and get paid 50% what Americans get paid for the same job. Youre visa is contingent on continued employment with your sponsored employer. No ability to move to a higher wage job, no ability to file greviences concerning your employer or employment situation.

Want to make Mexico more progressive? Deport Mexican illegals. End H1Bs and end the pipeline of cheap labor.

[Adam Griffin]

The great thing about Trump is that he is bringing out the latent racism in America in a way that even Obama himself couldn't.

Because border integrity is racist. BTW what race are Mexicans anyways?

Newsflash: low-information voters who fall for this nonsense don't make that distinction. Apparently, neither does Trump. Do you really think his dog-whistling has just been confined to one group of people? LOL. There's a reason nationalist and racist organizations in this country have so much overlap, and an even greater reason why they're all lining up lock, stock and barrel behind Trump like they haven't done with any modern presidential candidate.

Why dont you make the case for unlimited immigration and permanent low wages instead of yelling "racist". I can tell youve lost the argument. Screaming "Racist" is like yelling "Counter Revolution" among leftists. It is meant to avoid debate and silence any dissent.

He's making electoral bank off of stoking subconscious racial sentiment in a group of people who continue to choose worshiping an objectively, socioeconomically inferior way of life and who, instead of blaming their own life choices for falling behind economically and otherwise, blame groups of people who are even more economically and socially disenfranchised in the American frame-work. What else do you call it? These low-info voters aren't frothing at the mouth because of "the rule of law" or whatever (though that's their PC line): they're upset because they believe they're being screwed out of what used to be automatically bestowed upon them by groups of people who always have and still do have it far worse than them. It's fueled by a combination of racial animus and scapegoating mixed with the age-old self-entitled dogma that white people think they're owed everything just by showing up.

You also failed to explain why all of these nationalist and racist organizations are now coming out of the woodwork to back one specific candidate if his message isn't anything other than blatant dog-whistling.

[bobloblaw]

The great thing about Trump is that he is bringing out the latent racism in America in a way that even Obama himself couldn't.

Because border integrity is racist. BTW what race are Mexicans anyways?

Newsflash: low-information voters who fall for this nonsense don't make that distinction. Apparently, neither does Trump. Do you really think his dog-whistling has just been confined to one group of people? LOL. There's a reason nationalist and racist organizations in this country have so much overlap, and an even greater reason why they're all lining up lock, stock and barrel behind Trump like they haven't done with any modern presidential candidate.

Why dont you make the case for unlimited immigration and permanent low wages instead of yelling "racist". I can tell youve lost the argument. Screaming "Racist" is like yelling "Counter Revolution" among leftists. It is meant to avoid debate and silence any dissent.

He's making electoral bank off of stoking subconscious racial sentiment in a group of people who continue to choose worshiping an objectively, socioeconomically inferior way of life and who, instead of blaming their own life choices for falling behind economically and otherwise, blame groups of people who are even more economically and socially disenfranchised in the American frame-work. What else do you call it? These low-info voters aren't frothing at the mouth because of "the rule of law" or whatever (though that's their PC line): they're upset because they believe they're being screwed out of what used to be automatically bestowed upon them by groups of people who always have and still do have it far worse than them. It's fueled by a combination of racial animus and scapegoating mixed with the age-old self-entitled dogma that white people think they're owed everything just by showing up.

You also failed to explain why all of these nationalist and racist organizations are now coming out of the woodwork to back one specific candidate if his message isn't anything other than blatant dog-whistling.

so you thank the lack of upward mobility that has exasserabated itself in the past 10 years is all about individual choices?

What racist organizations?? three guys in their mom's basement? How about CPUSA supporting Obama?

But again you cant defend low wage immigration, so you just yell racism. You cant debate, youre pathetic.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

The great thing about Trump is that he is bringing out the latent racism in America in a way that even Obama himself couldn't.

Because border integrity is racist. BTW what race are Mexicans anyways?

Newsflash: low-information voters who fall for this nonsense don't make that distinction. Apparently, neither does Trump. Do you really think his dog-whistling has just been confined to one group of people? LOL. There's a reason nationalist and racist organizations in this country have so much overlap, and an even greater reason why they're all lining up lock, stock and barrel behind Trump like they haven't done with any modern presidential candidate.

Why dont you make the case for unlimited immigration and permanent low wages instead of yelling "racist". I can tell youve lost the argument. Screaming "Racist" is like yelling "Counter Revolution" among leftists. It is meant to avoid debate and silence any dissent.

He's making electoral bank off of stoking subconscious racial sentiment in a group of people who continue to choose worshiping an objectively, socioeconomically inferior way of life and who, instead of blaming their own life choices for falling behind economically and otherwise, blame groups of people who are even more economically and socially disenfranchised in the American frame-work. What else do you call it? These low-info voters aren't frothing at the mouth because of "the rule of law" or whatever (though that's their PC line): they're upset because they believe they're being screwed out of what used to be automatically bestowed upon them by groups of people who always have and still do have it far worse than them. It's fueled by a combination of racial animus and scapegoating mixed with the age-old self-entitled dogma that white people think they're owed everything just by showing up.

You also failed to explain why all of these nationalist and racist organizations are now coming out of the woodwork to back one specific candidate if his message isn't anything other than blatant dog-whistling.

so you thank the lack of upward mobility that has exasserabated itself in the past 10 years is all about individual choices?

What racist organizations?? three guys in their mom's basement? How about CPUSA supporting Obama?

But again you cant defend low wage immigration, so you just yell racism. You cant debate, youre pathetic.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8

[bobloblaw]

The great thing about Trump is that he is bringing out the latent racism in America in a way that even Obama himself couldn't.

Because border integrity is racist. BTW what race are Mexicans anyways?

Newsflash: low-information voters who fall for this nonsense don't make that distinction. Apparently, neither does Trump. Do you really think his dog-whistling has just been confined to one group of people? LOL. There's a reason nationalist and racist organizations in this country have so much overlap, and an even greater reason why they're all lining up lock, stock and barrel behind Trump like they haven't done with any modern presidential candidate.

Why dont you make the case for unlimited immigration and permanent low wages instead of yelling "racist". I can tell youve lost the argument. Screaming "Racist" is like yelling "Counter Revolution" among leftists. It is meant to avoid debate and silence any dissent.

He's making electoral bank off of stoking subconscious racial sentiment in a group of people who continue to choose worshiping an objectively, socioeconomically inferior way of life and who, instead of blaming their own life choices for falling behind economically and otherwise, blame groups of people who are even more economically and socially disenfranchised in the American frame-work. What else do you call it? These low-info voters aren't frothing at the mouth because of "the rule of law" or whatever (though that's their PC line): they're upset because they believe they're being screwed out of what used to be automatically bestowed upon them by groups of people who always have and still do have it far worse than them. It's fueled by a combination of racial animus and scapegoating mixed with the age-old self-entitled dogma that white people think they're owed everything just by showing up.

You also failed to explain why all of these nationalist and racist organizations are now coming out of the woodwork to back one specific candidate if his message isn't anything other than blatant dog-whistling.

so you thank the lack of upward mobility that has exasserabated itself in the past 10 years is all about individual choices?

What racist organizations?? three guys in their mom's basement? How about CPUSA supporting Obama?

But again you cant defend low wage immigration, so you just yell racism. You cant debate, youre pathetic.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8

yeah right....sheesh

[Adam Griffin]

The great thing about Trump is that he is bringing out the latent racism in America in a way that even Obama himself couldn't.

Because border integrity is racist. BTW what race are Mexicans anyways?

Newsflash: low-information voters who fall for this nonsense don't make that distinction. Apparently, neither does Trump. Do you really think his dog-whistling has just been confined to one group of people? LOL. There's a reason nationalist and racist organizations in this country have so much overlap, and an even greater reason why they're all lining up lock, stock and barrel behind Trump like they haven't done with any modern presidential candidate.

Why dont you make the case for unlimited immigration and permanent low wages instead of yelling "racist". I can tell youve lost the argument. Screaming "Racist" is like yelling "Counter Revolution" among leftists. It is meant to avoid debate and silence any dissent.

He's making electoral bank off of stoking subconscious racial sentiment in a group of people who continue to choose worshiping an objectively, socioeconomically inferior way of life and who, instead of blaming their own life choices for falling behind economically and otherwise, blame groups of people who are even more economically and socially disenfranchised in the American frame-work. What else do you call it? These low-info voters aren't frothing at the mouth because of "the rule of law" or whatever (though that's their PC line): they're upset because they believe they're being screwed out of what used to be automatically bestowed upon them by groups of people who always have and still do have it far worse than them. It's fueled by a combination of racial animus and scapegoating mixed with the age-old self-entitled dogma that white people think they're owed everything just by showing up.

You also failed to explain why all of these nationalist and racist organizations are now coming out of the woodwork to back one specific candidate if his message isn't anything other than blatant dog-whistling.

so you thank the lack of upward mobility that has exasserabated itself in the past 10 years is all about individual choices?

What racist organizations?? three guys in their mom's basement? How about CPUSA supporting Obama?

But again you cant defend low wage immigration, so you just yell racism. You cant debate, youre pathetic.

The lack of economic mobility in white rural America has existed for far longer than a decade. It's existed for generations, and those with enough common sense to realize that they're not entitled to an equivalent way of life as those who are willing to work hard to educate themselves, learn new skills and take risks have and continue to still leave these areas in search of something better. Just like these immigrants. They too come mostly from rural, impoverished areas. What did they decide to do? Unlike their white American counterparts who piss their pants and blame everyone else for their problems, they actually took extraordinary risks just to have the chance at a better life.

David Duke, Council of Conservative Citizens, American Renaissance, Stormfront, and the list goes on and on. And let's be real: the white nationalist movement in its organized state is mostly a bunch of basement-dwellers, because people who abandon the PC lines that most casual American racists and nationalists espouse about "building the wall" and "law and order" - the ones who obsess over "white and European integrity" and aren't afraid to say it - are fycking jokes. That doesn't mean that they don't represent a much wider-held belief system in this country, and for all of their faults, they've never lined up so uniformly behind one race-baiting conservative in the past. The casual racists all across this country in white rural America is the far more important element, you're absolutely correct.

You want to solve the problem of immigration? Then stop punishing the people who are taking the job offers. It's really simple. A wall isn't going to stop it. Mass deportations are not going to stop it. If you knew anything about the overall flow and process, then it'd be painfully obvious, but you must be like the rest of your rural white conservative contemporaries who lack the ability to utilize critical thinking:

Want to make Mexico and America more progressive? Deport Mexican illegals. End H1Bs and end the pipeline of cheap labor. Implement $250,000 fines for each instance of undocumented employment discovered within a business. Apply it uniformly to all businesses - corporations and small businesses alike. Create a task force whose sole responsibility is to perform random work authorization checks on businesses. Revoke the concept of limited liability protection as it applies to LLCs for immigration violations. If the business or sole proprietor can't pay the fine in cash, then begin liquidating their business assets. If after that the fine isn't fully covered, automatically deduct 50% from all future income until the fine is paid.

Of course, you don't want to make either country more progressive or solve the problem of low-wage work, or else you'd pull your head out of your ass and stop blaming those who are willing to work harder than you for less than you, and instead, you'd start advocating going after the people who created the problem in the first place.

[bobloblaw]

The great thing about Trump is that he is bringing out the latent racism in America in a way that even Obama himself couldn't.

Because border integrity is racist. BTW what race are Mexicans anyways?

Newsflash: low-information voters who fall for this nonsense don't make that distinction. Apparently, neither does Trump. Do you really think his dog-whistling has just been confined to one group of people? LOL. There's a reason nationalist and racist organizations in this country have so much overlap, and an even greater reason why they're all lining up lock, stock and barrel behind Trump like they haven't done with any modern presidential candidate.

Why dont you make the case for unlimited immigration and permanent low wages instead of yelling "racist". I can tell youve lost the argument. Screaming "Racist" is like yelling "Counter Revolution" among leftists. It is meant to avoid debate and silence any dissent.

He's making electoral bank off of stoking subconscious racial sentiment in a group of people who continue to choose worshiping an objectively, socioeconomically inferior way of life and who, instead of blaming their own life choices for falling behind economically and otherwise, blame groups of people who are even more economically and socially disenfranchised in the American frame-work. What else do you call it? These low-info voters aren't frothing at the mouth because of "the rule of law" or whatever (though that's their PC line): they're upset because they believe they're being screwed out of what used to be automatically bestowed upon them by groups of people who always have and still do have it far worse than them. It's fueled by a combination of racial animus and scapegoating mixed with the age-old self-entitled dogma that white people think they're owed everything just by showing up.

You also failed to explain why all of these nationalist and racist organizations are now coming out of the woodwork to back one specific candidate if his message isn't anything other than blatant dog-whistling.

so you thank the lack of upward mobility that has exasserabated itself in the past 10 years is all about individual choices?

What racist organizations?? three guys in their mom's basement? How about CPUSA supporting Obama?

But again you cant defend low wage immigration, so you just yell racism. You cant debate, youre pathetic.

The lack of economic mobility in white rural America has existed for far longer than a decade. It's existed for generations, and those with enough common sense to realize that they're not entitled to an equivalent way of life as those who are willing to work hard to educate themselves, learn new skills and take risks have and continue to still leave these areas in search of something better. Just like these immigrants. They too come mostly from rural, impoverished areas. What did they decide to do? Unlike their white American counterparts who piss their pants and blame everyone else for their problems, they actually took extraordinary risks just to be able to have a better life.

David Duke, Council of Conservative Citizens, American Renaissance, Stormfront, and the list goes on and on. And let's be real: the white nationalist movement in its organized state is mostly a bunch of basement-dwellers, because people who abandon the PC lines that most casual American racists and nationalists espouse - the ones who obsess over "white and European integrity" and aren't afraid to say it - are fycking jokes. That doesn't mean that they don't represent a much wider-held belief system in this country, and for all of their faults, they've never lined up so uniformly behind one race-baiting conservative in the past. The casual racists all across this country in white rural America is the far more important element, you're absolutely correct.

You want to solve the problem of immigration? Then stop punishing the people who are taking the job offers. It's really simple. A wall isn't going to stop it. Mass deportations are not going to stop it. If you knew anything about the overall flow and process, then it'd be painfully obvious, but you must be like the rest of your rural white conservative contemporaries who lack the ability to utilize critical thinking:

Want to make Mexico and America more progressive? Deport Mexican illegals. End H1Bs and end the pipeline of cheap labor. Implement $250,000 fines for each instance of undocumented employment discovered within a business. Apply it uniformly to all businesses - corporations and small businesses alike. Create a task force whose sole responsibility is to perform random work authorization checks on businesses. Revoke the concept of limited liability protection as it applies to LLCs for immigration violations. If the business or sole proprietor can't pay the fine in cash, then begin liquidating their business assets. If after that the fine isn't fully covered, automatically deduct 50% from all future income until the fine is paid.

Of course, you don't want to make either country more progressive or solve the problem of low-wage work, or else you'd pull your head out of your ass and stop blaming those who are willing to work harder than you for less than you, and instead, you'd start advocating going after the people who created the problem in the first place.

rural America??? How about all of America.

You make America more fair by raising wages through reducing supply of low ages workers, both legal and illegal. Mass deportations will stop illegal immigration, not being able to find work will stop illegal immigration. You must think people in other countries are stupid. If they know when they get here , they wont find employment and are at risk of deportation, they wont come here. You have very little regard for the basic intelligence of the people coming here.

The people who create the problem are in Mexico DF, The US Chamber of Commerce and the Democrat party.

[Fuzzy Says: "Abolish NPR!"]

Immigration into America is not a RIGHT that foreigners enjoy.  It is something we bestow on the basis (at least in theory) of what is good for America.  If there's a coincidence of interest, great!

What people are upset with is that the new immigrants to the United States are not being assimilated into American life as in past generations.  This is ESPECIALLY true of Mexican immigrants, many of those who are LEGALLY here are here only to work.  They are "guest workers", and this is a European concept that hasn't worked out well for countries in Europe who have brought in Middle Eastern "guest workers".  They are not looking to assimilate into American life in the sense that the Italians and Eastern European immigrants of the Ellis Island era assimilated into American life.

The only question we have to decide in determining who does and doesn't come into America is the question of "Is this good or bad for America, and for the people who make up America?"  People ARE concerned with the changing demographics of America, because they are concerned that folks who are not vested in the current Middle American way of life will come to America, come to outnumber us, and impose a way of life on Americans that is the counterpoint to what we have now.  Already, we are becoming a Balkanized nation, where it is difficult to speak to all Americans as Americans without appearing "culturally insensitive".  A country that places a high priority on cultural sensitivity is a country which has already become Balkanized and a country where its politicians have made appeals to race, tribe, tongue, and foreign origin is a country that has ceased to be guided by its God and the sense of self-interest its God provides for it.

[bobloblaw]

Immigration into America is not a RIGHT that foreigners enjoy.  It is something we bestow on the basis (at least in theory) of what is good for America.  If there's a coincidence of interest, great!

What people are upset with is that the new immigrants to the United States are not being assimilated into American life as in past generations.  This is ESPECIALLY true of Mexican immigrants, many of those who are LEGALLY here are here only to work.  They are "guest workers", and this is a European concept that hasn't worked out well for countries in Europe who have brought in Middle Eastern "guest workers".  They are not looking to assimilate into American life in the sense that the Italians and Eastern European immigrants of the Ellis Island era assimilated into American life.

The only question we have to decide in determining who does and doesn't come into America is the question of "Is this good or bad for America, and for the people who make up America?"  People ARE concerned with the changing demographics of America, because they are concerned that folks who are not vested in the current Middle American way of life will come to America, come to outnumber us, and impose a way of life on Americans that is the counterpoint to what we have now.  Already, we are becoming a Balkanized nation, where it is difficult to speak to all Americans as Americans without appearing "culturally insensitive".  A country that places a high priority on cultural sensitivity is a country which has already become Balkanized and a country where its politicians have made appeals to race, tribe, tongue, and foreign origin is a country that has ceased to be guided by its God and the sense of self-interest its God provides for it.

Good post. Im not huge on the God part at the end, but 99% agreement.

This is our country and we'll decide who comes here.

[Adam Griffin]

You make America more fair by raising wages through reducing supply of low ages workers, both legal and illegal. Mass deportations will stop illegal immigration not being able to find work will stop illegal immigration. You must think people in other countries are stupid. If they know when they get here , they wont find employment and are at risk of deportation, they wont come here. You have very little regard for the basic intelligence of the people coming here.

The people who create the problem are in Mexico DF, The US Chamber of Commerce and the Democrat party.

They're not at risk of deportation now? We've deported more people than ever before under the Obama administration. We've been deporting more people than at any point in history. The net in-flow of immigration to this country is lower than at any point in recent memory, precisely because the economy isn't great and they know it's going to be much harder to find a job.

You stop illegal immigration by cutting off the reason they're coming here. They're not coming here to forge federal documents by the millions to collect your precious tax dollars like you probably presume. They're coming here to work. They know they can find work, because there is no tangible penalty for employers who hire them. They're willing to risk deportation - they've been doing it for decades, genius. Eighty percent enter the country legally via tourist visas, by plane, by car and by foot through the border (as opposed to the clandestine process you presumably imagine in your head).

The root cause of illegal immigration is the ability to find a job, and the businesses are the ones who created that root problem. You don't cure cancer by putting a bandage on it, which is what people who propose mass deportations and walls are saying. You do it by levying fines without exemption on businesses that equate to 20-30 years of savings they'd enjoy by hiring individuals without work authorization in this country. Again, I'll repeat:

Want to make Mexico and America more progressive? Deport Mexican illegals. End H1Bs and end the pipeline of cheap labor. Implement $250,000 fines for each instance of undocumented employment discovered within a business. Apply it uniformly to all businesses - corporations and small businesses alike. Create a task force whose sole responsibility is to perform random work authorization checks on businesses. Revoke the concept of limited liability protection as it applies to LLCs for immigration violations. If the business or sole proprietor can't pay the fine in cash, then begin liquidating their business assets. If after that the fine isn't fully covered, automatically deduct 50% from all future income until the fine is paid.

[bobloblaw]

You make America more fair by raising wages through reducing supply of low ages workers, both legal and illegal. Mass deportations will stop illegal immigration not being able to find work will stop illegal immigration. You must think people in other countries are stupid. If they know when they get here , they wont find employment and are at risk of deportation, they wont come here. You have very little regard for the basic intelligence of the people coming here.

The people who create the problem are in Mexico DF, The US Chamber of Commerce and the Democrat party.

They're not at risk of deportation now? We've deported more people than ever before under the Obama administration. We've been deporting more people than at any point in history. The net in-flow of immigration to this country is lower than at any point in recent memory, precisely because the economy isn't great and they know it's going to be much harder to find a job.

You stop illegal immigration by cutting off the reason they're coming here. They're not coming here to forge federal documents by the millions to collect your precious tax dollars like you probably presume. They're coming here to work. They know they can find work, because there is no tangible penalty for employers who hire them. They're willing to risk deportation - they've been doing it for decades, genius. The root cause of illegal immigration is the ability to find a job, and the businesses are the ones who created that root problem. You don't cure cancer by putting a bandage on it, which is what people who propose mass deportations and walls are saying. You do it by levying fines without exemption on businesses that equate to 20-30 years of savings they'd enjoy by hiring individuals without work authorization in this country. Again, I'll repeat:

Want to make Mexico and America more progressive? Deport Mexican illegals. End H1Bs and end the pipeline of cheap labor. Implement $250,000 fines for each instance of undocumented employment discovered within a business. Apply it uniformly to all businesses - corporations and small businesses alike. Create a task force whose sole responsibility is to perform random work authorization checks on businesses. Revoke the concept of limited liability protection as it applies to LLCs for immigration violations. If the business or sole proprietor can't pay the fine in cash, then begin liquidating their business assets. If after that the fine isn't fully covered, automatically deduct 50% from all future income until the fine is paid.

You end illegal immigration by stopping the elites in Mexico DF from sending them here. It should be a deep source of national shame that Mexico cannot and will not provide for their own citizens. But it isnt. Toss US employers in jail for hiring illegals.

Then at the same time end the H1B visa program

[Adam Griffin]

You end illegal immigration by stopping the elites in Mexico DF from sending them here. It should be a deep source of national shame that Mexico cannot and will not provide for their own citizens. But it isnt. Toss US employers in jail for hiring illegals.

Then at the same time end the H1B visa program

You gonna drone them into submission? Send Trump to the border to bluster from afar through his "big beautiful door"? Mexico is happy to lose those who are in their economy the least prosperous, for obvious reasons. They're not obsessed with "national pride" or whatever concept you think should cause them to commit seppuku at the sight of people leaving their country. It's not a country's responsibility to stop the outward flow of citizens from its country in an overt sense: that's a symptom of fascism. The only way you can accomplish such a thing that isn't fairy-tale Trump-speak is creating a Juche-like state.

They will stay there - or go somewhere else - when they know they cannot find gainful employment in this country. They will not stay away because of the threat of deportation. They will find their way around a wall, because you cannot completely shut off the ability for people to enter this country. Implement policies that will destroy a business' bottom-line for engaging in the practice of unauthorized employment and the net-immigration rate from Mexico and Latin America will be negative in less than five years. Any other proposal is only good for nationalist, racist posturing in an attempt to pick on the disenfranchised in order to make oneself feel better about their own situation. Want to actually solve the problem? Then only what I propose will do it.

[eric82oslo]

Do you think it's an unlucky coincidence that almost every single US, German, or other European journalist compares his immigration policies to George Wallace, Vladimir Putin, Adolf Hitler, Jean Marie Le Pen etcetera etcetera?

WTF? You just mentioned Hitler and Wallace in the same sentence with Putin, Le Pen and Trump. Trump may be an annoying race baiting populist, but he's certainly no Hitler. Hitler comparisons don't make you look mature, kewl or edgey, you know. Also, I haven't heard any journalist say that. It's a flat-out lie.

To be fair, Hitler knew how to organize his people. Trump doesn't seem to have that same understanding, even as the neonazis of America are embracing him like no candidate before.

True, but saying that he's worse than Hitler (that's directed at eric82oslo) is just silly.

Actually, you know what? No matter how cruel Hitler and his allies were, Hitler never deported people. The truth is that Trump's plan to deport between 11 and 12 million people would be by extremely far the greatest deportation effort in the history of human kind!

plz leave and never come back kthxbye

I only said that he's worse than Hitler in the sense that Hitler never deported people. Obviously, it's not humanly possible to become worse than Hitler even if you devoted your entire life in the pursuit of such.

[Simfan34]

Non-Polish Jews did not just waltz into Auschwitz-Birkenau on their own accord, you know.

[Crumpets]

Non-Polish Jews did not just waltz into Auschwitz-Birkenau on their own accord, you know.

I'm going to regret getting involved here, but technically Auschwitz was under German civil administration during its use as an extermination camp.

[Fuzzy Says: "Abolish NPR!"]

You end illegal immigration by stopping the elites in Mexico DF from sending them here. It should be a deep source of national shame that Mexico cannot and will not provide for their own citizens. But it isnt. Toss US employers in jail for hiring illegals.

Then at the same time end the H1B visa program

You gonna drone them into submission? Send Trump to the border to bluster from afar through his "big beautiful door"? Mexico is happy to lose those who are in their economy the least prosperous, for obvious reasons. They're not obsessed with "national pride" or whatever concept you think should cause them to commit seppuku at the sight of people leaving their country. It's not a country's responsibility to stop the outward flow of citizens from its country in an overt sense: that's a symptom of fascism. The only way you can accomplish such a thing that isn't fairy-tale Trump-speak is creating a Juche-like state.

They will stay there - or go somewhere else - when they know they cannot find gainful employment in this country. They will not stay away because of the threat of deportation. They will find their way around a wall, because you cannot completely shut off the ability for people to enter this country. Implement policies that will destroy a business' bottom-line for engaging in the practice of unauthorized employment and the net-immigration rate from Mexico and Latin America will be negative in less than five years. Any other proposal is only good for nationalist, racist posturing in an attempt to pick on the disenfranchised in order to make oneself feel better about their own situation. Want to actually solve the problem? Then only what I propose will do it.

But the "jobs" of many illegal immigrants from Mexico (or, at least, via Mexico; many are from Central America) are in distribution of illicit drugs as agents of gangs and cartels that operate in the United States and whose numbers have grown exponentially over the last 50 years.  These immigrants are not looking for "jobs"; they have a "job" in the sense that your local, native-born drug dealer has a "job".  

Many of these people are sent by their cartels to perform the logistics of drug dealing; the street-level dealing, the "mule" work of transporting, that sort of thing.  Some are sent here to act as enforcers; to enforce underlings not ripping off the suppliers and to enforce silence.  These folks are not "performing the jobs Americans won't perform"; they are infusing a level of danger into all of American life that would not be here if these people were not here.  THESE folks, and not the folks who are washing dishes "off the books" at some small restaurant, are the reason border security is a real problem.  When a criminal defendant goes before a judge and his attorney speaks about the conditions prevelant in the community he (or, sometimes, she) grew up in/lives in, it ought to be noted that these folks are the ones that do the most to make these at-risk communities what they are.

Then, too, is the issue of "anchor babies".  Is that phrase "insensitive", or is it "painfully accurate" in reflecting the intent of the illegal immigrant in question?  What does it say about parents who cross a border illegally solely for the purpose of obtaining birthright citizenship and public medical benefits for themselves and for their child, once he/she is born, in the hope that this will allow the other family members to remain in America?  We normally look negatively on adults using children to advance their own purposes; isn't this another example of the same?    If an immigrant's first act in America is to crash the border and procure public benefits for their child, is that not a statement about that person's propensity to obey other laws and regulations our society lawfully imposes?  What does the process of "having an anchor baby" say about the mother's willingness to obey American laws in the future?

I understand the desire of folks in poorer lands wanting a better life.  America has provided that life for many immigrants, including immigrants from lands other than Europe.  America has changed demographically, and that is a neutral, so long as the immigrants assimilated are willing to work and be assimilated fully into American life.  Those folks, regardless of origin, aren't the problem, and have never been the problem.  The folks that ARE the problem are folks that come illegally, believe that they are entitled to come here, believe that they are entitled to our resources, fully intend to engage in illegal occupations while here, and have no loyalty to America as THEIR adopted country (the belief that is a MUST for immigration policy to be successful).  These folks are here ONLY because of the porousness of our borders.  I don't mind having to "Press "1" for English", but I do mind the presence of literally hundreds of thousands of illegal drug operatives and gang members in our midst that make American life more dangerous who are often protected by TRAITORS government officials of "Sanctuary Cities".  This issue of border security is not about race/ethnicity, but it IS about public safety, and I consider it highly irresponsible to be in denial of that.

[DavidB.]

Actually, you know what? No matter how cruel Hitler and his allies were, Hitler never deported people.

Please terminate yourself.

[Simfan34]

Non-Polish Jews did not just waltz into Auschwitz-Birkenau on their own accord, you know.

I'm going to regret getting involved here, but technically Auschwitz was under German civil administration during its use as an extermination camp.

Is that really relevant?