Trump: Make America White Again?

[eric82oslo]

Discuss.


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Apparently, white lives matter too!

[eric82oslo]

What?

It's his new campaign slogan. Didn't you read the news? He's trying to put a modern twist to Reagan a.k.a. "Raven", apparently.

[eric82oslo]

Trump is this generation's George Wallace by the way: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/donald-trump-2016-mobile-alabama-rally-ghost-george-wallace-121627.html?hp=t3_r

If I were a journalist (I actually used to be at one time), I'd ask him if he'd rather like to emulate Putin or Wallace. I wonder if he would defuse the question or actually try to answer on it.

[eric82oslo]

Your thread title is wrong. He never said that.

You never said "blaxicans" either.

[eric82oslo]

You're annoying. Please stop this.

How so? More annoying than CNN having decided to become the 24 hour Trump News Channel? When last did you see a non-Trump related event on CNN?

[eric82oslo]

Trump is a crazy guy and there's a lot to attack him on, but you don't need to misquote him so it sounds like he's saying something blatantly racist. There's enough blatantly racists comments of his out there to use already.

You know what you get if you search for "Make America White Again" on YouTube? Donald Trump. (The three first videos in fact.) Either it might be a coincidence or it might be karma. You decide. (Google is the same.)

In any case, I'd love to be his campaign manager giving him the greatest advice that God has ever seen, to change his campaign slogan. He wants to be honest and authentic right? "The Truth-Teller". And perceived that way. Well, then why not say it like it is then.

[eric82oslo]

Wouldn't be surprised if this was true.

And the story rolls on. Karma has made it such that his famous cap happens to be white, to further underline his boldness:

[eric82oslo]

Wouldn't be surprised if this was true.

And the story rolls on. Karma has made it such that his famous cap happens to be white, to further underline his boldness:

This is irrelevant, it's not even an issue. Why did you misquote him? Do you get paid by Ready For Hillary?

Libtaards in full panic mode

LOL.

I'm worried about Rubio. I think he's the only GOPer who can actually win (and perhaps Jeb too). Trump has as much chance as a bat in the deep ocean.

[eric82oslo]

Discuss.

Apparently, white lives matter too!

Your headline is in quotes, so it is clearly simply false, rather than a statement of your opinion. Putting up false information deliberately in my view is against the terms of use. You should at least remove the quotes. Better yet, why don't you just make the headline, Trump Mobile crowd appears to be all white or something. That is your point isn't it? Blacks don't support Trump. Who knew?

Fair enough. Changed. It was intended to be funny, part sarcastic if you want, but I can see how that can extremely easily be misinterpreted. The media is having the time of their lives covering Trump (especially CNN, and even more so Don Lemon), so I thought I'd take the ride as well. It's better making fun of it than being very upset. Trump isn't serious about his "opinions" either (I bet he never even read one page of the Bible during his entire life for instance), so why should we take him seriously?

My point, btw, hasn't anything to do with the crowd (okey, maybe 0.8%), yet everything to do with his immigration policies (the border issue, the birthright issue, the Obama born in Kenya issue, the deport 11 million latinos and make Mexico pay for it issue, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera - and also his entire rhetoric which could just as well have been written by an extreme right wing politician from Europe, say Jean Marie Le Pen), on top of being extremely childish (in his language that is) and extremely narcisistic. I can imagine his English teachers from high school wrenching in their graves right now, if they're not still alive that is.

[eric82oslo]

Discuss.

Apparently, white lives matter too!

Better yet, why don't you just make the headline, Trump Mobile crowd appears to be all white or something. That is your point isn't it? Blacks don't support Trump. Who knew?

There were at least three or four black people in attendance.

Maybe one Hispanic as well? I assume he was a good person.

[eric82oslo]

How about DELETING this pointless thread?

Also, you haven't really "changed" the title.

I have. I removed the quotation marks. Why so upset? What's wrong with a little humour? Is the topic a little touchy to you perhaps?

[eric82oslo]

Madelka told me that he had reported the thread. I don't know for what reason. And now he's blocked me, so I can't ask him why either. Maybe he's a Trump supporter.

[eric82oslo]

Sorry, but I've reported the thread as well - for the reason Castro stated:

Trump is a crazy guy and there's a lot to attack him on, but you don't need to misquote him so it sounds like he's saying something blatantly racist. There's enough blatantly racists comments of his out there to use already.

I know you've removed the quotation marks, but to someone who reads the title it still seems like he's said something racist. You also shouldn't make fun of that "... lives matter as well" stuff. We all know that Trump's supporters are lily-white.

Okey, I'll try to be creative and come up with a new title (which is funny, as it's mostly made for fun, and 40% seriousness of course). Any suggestions? It wasn't my intention to upset people. I thought very few people actually took Trump seriously, but I see now that I'm wrong lol. I used to strongly oppose Huffington Post's Trump decision, but now I kind of feel that he's more in there for the entertainment value as well, rather than him being serious about his opinions. He said at the religious gathering that he never talked to God or something, that he never asked him for forgiveness and such and so forth. And then suddenly he starts saying that the Bible is so much greater than every other book ever written. I wonder how much truth there could be to that statement lol. In my opinion, Trump's untrustfulness is the biggest story of this campaign so far, yet I haven't even read one single article actually adressing that yet.

[eric82oslo]

I have edited the title of the OP to be a question. It was wrong to imply that a candidate said something he did not. 

Good. Happy it didn't get deleted at least, as this is a pretty serious issue. Trump is even causing racial violence (one incident so far), so it's not only words anymore.

[eric82oslo]

It's a sure sign of anti-white animus that simply a photo of white people gathered together provokes some mix of ridicule, fear, and scorn from so many.

America has a right to determine who comes here and who doesn't. Keeping out poor immigrants will benefit literally all Americans, black, white, latino, etc. Our poor especially are being undercut by illegal immigrants for different types of jobs that used to be the provenance of American poor people who actually would earn the minimum wage.

Would you like to see an increase in the national minimum wage? I haven't seen Trump adress that yet. (Once again, journalists care more about glamour than substance.)

[eric82oslo]

However, if illegal immigrants were gone or significantly reduced in number, that would be a lot of construction, manual labor, gardening, dishwashing, etc. jobs that would suddenly need to be done and be filled by Americans making at least the minimum wage in their locality. Which would be better than these Americans having no income or living off welfare.

This is a myth, or even a hoax if you want. You can say whatever you want about global warming deniers, yet this is the way I see it an even much greater hoax still. They do the work that noone else is willing to do. Try to get your poor white unemployed neighbour to start cleaning toilets, and he probably wouldn't even talk to you anymore. And immigrants don't steal other people's work. Research show something like for every 10 new immigrant workers, something like 12 more jobs are created. By the way, did you know that most billionaires don't pay taxes at all? Neither do many/most multi national companies. Is that fair?

[eric82oslo]

I love how Republicans get to say things like "Make America great again!" but Michelle Obama is evil for saying she was truly proud of her country for the first time in her life.

Lol, so true.

I was so pissed when the conservative media turned that against her.

[eric82oslo]

However, if illegal immigrants were gone or significantly reduced in number, that would be a lot of construction, manual labor, gardening, dishwashing, etc. jobs that would suddenly need to be done and be filled by Americans making at least the minimum wage in their locality. Which would be better than these Americans having no income or living off welfare.

This is a myth, or even a hoax if you want. You can say whatever you want about global warming deniers, yet this is the way I see it an even much greater hoax still. They do the work that noone else is willing to do. Try to get your poor white unemployed neighbour to start cleaning toilets, and he probably wouldn't even talk to you anymore. And immigrants don't steal other people's work. Research show something like for every 10 new immigrant workers, something like 12 more jobs are created. By the way, did you know that most billionaires don't pay taxes at all? Neither do many/most multi national companies. Is that fair?

I could buy that Whites might not want to do agricultural work in the fields but the idea that they wouldn't be janitors is ridiculous. Most White people I know would jump at the chance to be janitors since the jobs actually do pay pretty well but they only go to immigrants because management is afraid White people would want even more. Additionally, it's not just low prestige jobs immigrants are taking. I worked as a temp in the mail room of two major banks, both times I was the only American born person there except for management. I wouldn't have a problem if these people had been hired because they were more qualified than American born workers but that clearly wasn't the case, as many of them were borderline illiterate. They were clearly only hired because they would work for less.

That's why we need a higher minimum wage. (Even if the US minimum wage is pretty high by international standards.) I think Norway has the world's highest minimum wage and the world's highest productivity rate, at the same time. So it's not like a high minimum wage makes companies miserable or something. The Norwegian government has almost one trillion dollars in stocks, bonds (and etcetera) right now, so clearly our "ridiculously" high minimum wage wasn't/isn't all bad.

[eric82oslo]

...those liquid assets (obviously) come from oil revenues.

Sure, yet it's the same in the other Nordic countries as well, although not to quite the same degree as with Norway. Sweden and Denmark have both done shockingly well, and Denmark is by definition the most socialist country in the world, as the government taxes its population 52-53% of their entire income. Socialism isn't necessarily bad, as you can hardly find any country other than Japan where there is less crime than in the Nordic countries.

[eric82oslo]

I know, I know. Loads of poor immigrants having children they can't afford is going to make lots and lots of jobs because the Cato Institute said so.

That's condescending. Both liberal and conservative research have come up with this fact, that immigration causes prosperity. Actually it's universally agreed upon that there are basically two and near only two reasons why Japan has been doing so miserably economically speaking for the past 25 years:

1) The fact that Japanese couples have way too few children and that Japanese people have the highest life expectancy of any country in the world (by quite a distance in fact).

2) The fact that Japan as the only "open" country in the world (basically excluding North Korea and perhaps one or two more countries) do not allow immigration at all, only at the extreme limit. I think they accept less than 1000 immigrants annually or something (and loads of those are from the Philippines).

Basically every Japanese high official know that their anti-immigration has been the causation of their economic disaster, yet so far they have nurtured cultural cohesion more than economic expansion. We will see for how long that will continue.

[eric82oslo]

I have no sympathy for the super-rich who pay no taxes, I do not worship at the altar of tax cuts.

Good.

[eric82oslo]

You also shouldn't make fun of that "... lives matter as well" stuff. We all know that Trump's supporters are lily-white.

By the way, Republicans don't want to make America safer by imposing some kind of gun control, and constantly make fun of Democrats for trying to do so, so why can't I have a little fun at the expense of BLM's military actions coupled with Trump's insanely divisive rhetoric?

[eric82oslo]

No matter how high the minimum wage is, employers will still hire immigrants because they will work for the lowest amount allowed. Hypothetically though, if you do raise the minimum wage high enough that employers decide they actually want people who can read and write English, that opens up a whole new problem. What then do you do with all the immigrants who are now unemployed? Do you allow more to keep coming in?

I know, I know. Loads of poor immigrants having children they can't afford is going to make lots and lots of jobs because the Cato Institute said so.

If it were just the Cato Institute, you would have a point.  However, there's an academic consensus that disagrees with you.

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And no, the Brookings Institution isn't a conservative think-tank.  It's centrist to center-left, on the whole. 

As the Time article explains:

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I understand that increased demand will indeed create increased job opportunities. I just think it's wishful thinking to imagine that unskilled immigration will create MORE jobs than there are new immigrants.

I think the number one reason for why this is a fact happens to be that most immigrants have already finished education, yet are still very young. The most common immigrant is in his 20s basically. Which means that the government doesn't have to pay anything in child care or education for him, yet rips the benefit of taxes, consume and hard labour. Secondly, it's also extensively proven that immigrants in general are both more hard-working (a great amount of Asians in Norway still have a 7 day work week for instance, even if Norwegian law demands rest after a certain amount of days [I think it's 7] and much less criminal (except immigrants from a tiny amount of unfortunate countries). Latinos are probably the least criminal immigrants in the Western world by the way. The exceptions are immigrants from extremely war torn countries or countries where literacy is shockingly low (like Somalia).

[eric82oslo]

But then who'll work at the Chinese takeouts? As if they're on the books, as is.

Lol. They would turn into West Virginian take outs I imagine. What kind of food do they even eat in those Appalachian mountains? Some kind of twerk to soul food?

[eric82oslo]

I think this is just inaccurate. So many college graduates are underemployed, living with their parents, making $10 an hour at most, working as freelancers. I see no reason why such people wouldn't take $15 an hour cleaning jobs other than the fact that employers simply won't hire them because they're overqualified.

Talking of which, the vast majority of immigrants are actually overqualified for their jobs, did you know that? Because the ple-clearance of education standards is so vastly different from country to country, you can easily be a university professor in your home country still end up with painting houses in your adopted country. I think this is the case with more than 50% of immigrants in fact. Yet still something basically no politician has ever said a word about.