Trump: Make America White Again?

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Your thread title is wrong. He never said that.

You never said "blaxicans" either.

I said it. Several times. And there's nothing wrong with it.

Well, you're half right.  You certainly did say it several times.

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No matter how high the minimum wage is, employers will still hire immigrants because they will work for the lowest amount allowed. Hypothetically though, if you do raise the minimum wage high enough that employers decide they actually want people who can read and write English, that opens up a whole new problem. What then do you do with all the immigrants who are now unemployed? Do you allow more to keep coming in?

I know, I know. Loads of poor immigrants having children they can't afford is going to make lots and lots of jobs because the Cato Institute said so.

If it were just the Cato Institute, you would have a point.  However, there's an academic consensus that disagrees with you.

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And no, the Brookings Institution isn't a conservative think-tank.  It's centrist to center-left, on the whole. 

As the Time article explains:

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However, if illegal immigrants were gone or significantly reduced in number, that would be a lot of construction, manual labor, gardening, dishwashing, etc. jobs that would suddenly need to be done and be filled by Americans making at least the minimum wage in their locality. Which would be better than these Americans having no income or living off welfare.

This is a myth, or even a hoax if you want. You can say whatever you want about global warming deniers, yet this is the way I see it an even much greater hoax still. They do the work that noone else is willing to do. Try to get your poor white unemployed neighbour to start cleaning toilets, and he probably wouldn't even talk to you anymore. And immigrants don't steal other people's work. Research show something like for every 10 new immigrant workers, something like 12 more jobs are created. By the way, did you know that most billionaires don't pay taxes at all? Neither do many/most multi national companies. Is that fair?

Completely untrue.

Do you think before the U.S. had millions of illegals, no one mopped? No one cleaned dishes? No one picked food, or did construction?

It isn't only cleaning toilets, illegals are huge in the construction industry for instance, you see them as landscapers/gardeners everywhere.

These are jobs that if there weren't illegals around, someone would have to do it.

The fact that you think there literally are not people you could pay to sweep the floors or clean toilets is silly, every country in the world has people to do these jobs. If no one wants to do it, well then the market would indicate that you should pay a higher price for that job. Businessowners would love to import quasi-slaves who they could pay almost nothing. But if that's not an option, then they'd have to actually pay a citizen the minimum wage.

I have no sympathy for the super-rich who pay no taxes, I do not worship at the altar of tax cuts.

The big thing you're ignoring is that our society isn't anything like what it was 100 or 200 years ago.  The United States is more educated and affluent than ever before.  There simply aren't enough native born working class people to fill these jobs, and someone who went to college is going to have no interest in what these kinds of low paying jobs.

You could argue that without immigrants, the wages for these jobs would rise until someone would work in them.  However, the wage for these jobs would have to rise so much, that these industries would either become untenable, or simply couldn't compete with low wage foreign competition.  This would be most strongly felt in the agriculture and manufacturing, and would have a ripple effect throughout our economy.

That's right, if we kick the immigrants out, the jobs will follow them overseas.  The only differences are that these people would make even less in their home countries, and we would be even more dependent on foreign labor.

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Whether the Brookings Institution is a conservative think tank or not is a matter of legitimate debate. Even if it's to be considered liberal, it's the least liberal liberal think tank there is. Exactly the type of market worshipers who think the economy should be measured primarily by the stock options of the super wealthy.

Dude. Can you even hear yourself? 'They're not liberal enough!  They're only slightly left of center!  I only trust data from the most liberal of sources.'

How about the Center for American Progress, is that liberal enough for you?  They better be, as they're one of the most liberal think tanks in the country.
Link.

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Here's the thing, though, we don't even need to rely on think tanks at all.  We can just look through the literature ourselves.

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So that's your solution, have college graduates spend their lives working at minimum wage?  How progressive of you.

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I was thinking more along the lines of manufacturing and agricultural jobs  The loss of these would have a very negative impact on our economy overall.

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Likely, the businesses we lose will go overseas.  The businesses will be just fine.  The workers on the other hand...