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« on: August 24, 2015, 03:39:38 AM »

Let's say Bernie Sanders wins the nomination and goes on to defeat The Donald in the general election.

What will he accomplish? Is he going to be able to deliver any campaign promises? The odds for Democrats to take back the House in 2016 are not that much well. Is it going to be a total gridlock, even worse than it is now?
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2015, 04:25:13 AM »

Absolutely nothing any other Democrat wouldn't accomplish, and possibly less due to his abhorrent and aggressively obnoxious personality.
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2015, 04:26:58 AM »
« Edited: August 24, 2015, 04:28:55 AM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

He sponsored the Veterans bill that was passed last year in a Republican House and became law, so it's not like he has no ideas how to get legislation through.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/politics/2014/08/07/veterans-legislation-tested-sanders/13724839/
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2015, 05:58:43 AM »

He will accomplish virtually everything there is to be accomplished (given a Dem congress, of course).
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2015, 06:34:56 AM »
« Edited: August 24, 2015, 06:43:05 AM by Mehmentum »

He will accomplish virtually everything there is to be accomplished (given a Dem congress, of course).
Why on earth would you assume that?  Republicans will control the House (at least until 2022, after redistricting), 99% guarantee of this.

As for the OP, given an at least partially Republican controlled congress, the vast majority of Bernie's campaign promises are unlikely to happen.  The only things I could see any Democrat achieving legislatively are:
-Prison/Drug Reform
-Immigration Reform (maybe)
-Tax Reform

And keep in mind any bill that passes the House will necessarily have earned John Boehner's approval, which greatly restricts the actual content of these bills.

Of course, there are other things a president can do... appointments (particularly to the Supreme Court), executive orders, and foreign policy.
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2015, 07:38:10 AM »

He will accomplish virtually everything there is to be accomplished (given a Dem congress, of course).

lol

I highly doubt the Dems will take both houses of Congress back unless we have a repeat of the financial crises of 2008 and somehow Obama becomes very popular over the course of this next year.
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2015, 08:53:38 AM »

Nothing, and then he loses a primary for renomination in 2020 to a challenger from the left who argues he sold out and did nothing to change Washington.
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2015, 08:53:56 AM »

Absolutely nothing any other Democrat wouldn't accomplish, and possibly less due to his abhorrent and aggressively obnoxious personality.
Well said.... also,I love the picture in your signature...
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2015, 09:16:37 AM »

No legislation would pass by virtue of Bernie Sanders being President. 

What Bernie Sanders could do is what Obama has done in his second term, use the discretionary power of the executive branch.  In practice, that would be very different from Obama because executive actions are limited by the laws on the books.  The only major difference would be foreign affairs and the military. 

Sanders wants to do less to help the forces fighting ISIS and reduce US bombing of ISIS.  He also wants to be less aggressive in fighting terrorism, on the drone and electronic surveillance front. 
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2015, 09:28:00 AM »

Absolutely nothing any other Democrat wouldn't accomplish, and possibly less due to his abhorrent and aggressively obnoxious personality.

No.
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2015, 09:41:03 AM »

No legislation would pass by virtue of Bernie Sanders being President. 

What Bernie Sanders could do is what Obama has done in his second term, use the discretionary power of the executive branch.  In practice, that would be very different from Obama because executive actions are limited by the laws on the books.  The only major difference would be foreign affairs and the military. 

Sanders wants to do less to help the forces fighting ISIS and reduce US bombing of ISIS.  He also wants to be less aggressive in fighting terrorism, on the drone and electronic surveillance front. 

This, basically.  If the Senate flips in 2016, he will also get favorable SCOTUS nominees and a better chance with his college or immigration plan.  However, most of his work will be based on executive orders, like Obama post-2014.
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2015, 12:11:01 PM »

This is why I'm still planning to vote for Hillary.

Which would accomplish more of the Democrats' agenda, Hillary with a Republican Congress or Sanders with a Republican Congress?

The answer is definitely Hillary. Sanders and Hillary's agendas aren't that different. Hillary would be able to accomplish more of it than Sanders.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2015, 03:33:56 PM »

This is why I'm still planning to vote for Hillary.

Which would accomplish more of the Democrats' agenda, Hillary with a Republican Congress or Sanders with a Republican Congress?

The answer is definitely Hillary. Sanders and Hillary's agendas aren't that different. Hillary would be able to accomplish more of it than Sanders.

Hillary will sign into law and work hard to get passed lots of right-wing legislation like her husband did.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2015, 03:42:04 PM »

This is why I'm still planning to vote for Hillary.

Which would accomplish more of the Democrats' agenda, Hillary with a Republican Congress or Sanders with a Republican Congress?

The answer is definitely Hillary. Sanders and Hillary's agendas aren't that different. Hillary would be able to accomplish more of it than Sanders.

No, Hillary with a Democratic Congress would accomplish more than Sanders with a Republican one.  

The idea that the GOP would just go along with Hillary's agenda is laughable.  It would take a lot of wheeling-and-dealing for her to get anything done, let alone her most progressive reforms.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2015, 04:16:07 PM »

This is why I'm still planning to vote for Hillary.

Which would accomplish more of the Democrats' agenda, Hillary with a Republican Congress or Sanders with a Republican Congress?

The answer is definitely Hillary. Sanders and Hillary's agendas aren't that different. Hillary would be able to accomplish more of it than Sanders.

No, Hillary with a Democratic Congress would accomplish more than Sanders with a Republican one.  

The idea that the GOP would just go along with Hillary's agenda is laughable.  It would take a lot of wheeling-and-dealing for her to get anything done, let alone her most progressive reforms.
No.

I'm saying Hillary would get more of the progressive agenda through a GOP Congress than Sanders would.
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2015, 04:19:15 PM »

Absolutely nothing any other Democrat wouldn't accomplish, and possibly less due to his abhorrent and aggressively obnoxious personality.

Well thats a bit crass.
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2015, 04:23:00 PM »

Not much
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2015, 04:29:32 PM »

This is why I'm still planning to vote for Hillary.

Which would accomplish more of the Democrats' agenda, Hillary with a Republican Congress or Sanders with a Republican Congress?

The answer is definitely Hillary. Sanders and Hillary's agendas aren't that different. Hillary would be able to accomplish more of it than Sanders.

No, Hillary with a Democratic Congress would accomplish more than Sanders with a Republican one.  

The idea that the GOP would just go along with Hillary's agenda is laughable.  It would take a lot of wheeling-and-dealing for her to get anything done, let alone her most progressive reforms.
Well, imo Clinton would be better suited to do the 'wheeling and dealing' necessary to get anything done.  I don't think anybody is under any illusions about how much can get done on either side without the Presidency, House, and a filibuster-proof Senate majority, however there are some areas where some progress could be made.  In addition, I think Clinton would be better able to avoid debt ceiling and government shutdown crises. 
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2015, 04:30:01 PM »

I think the 2016-2021 Presidential term will cover a lot of Supreme Court vacancies, so he could name a couple justices, which of course will help his causes.
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2015, 04:30:49 PM »


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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2015, 05:12:11 PM »

Just like with Trump, I'm not even sure that Bernie wants to be elected. I suspect he got in the race to keep Clinton honest and give voice to the progressive wing once it was clear Warren wasn't going to run.   
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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2015, 05:57:08 PM »

What has he accomplished so far, while in Congress?
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2015, 10:35:57 PM »

LOL, not one person responded to the fact that the Veterans bill he sponsored and negotiated with the Republican House was one of the most significant pieces of legislation passed in the 113th Congress. They'd rather just keep the illusion that Sanders is some pie in the sky socialist with no record or ability to actually get things done.
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2015, 10:41:32 PM »

I don't know exactly what he could get done, but I know his supporters would be upset with him very quickly and he'd be in no better position than another Democrat. Considering he'd have to deal with at least one Republican chamber, it's a good chance some compromises would occur and he'd be accused of caving.
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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2015, 11:12:56 PM »

Some progressive initiatives, some Supreme Court fillings but not much else. I've come to terms with the fact that if a Democrat wins in 2016, they'll most likely be a one termer anyways.
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