The topless parade. Pride or Shame?
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« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2015, 03:43:36 PM »

LOL, ^this guy knows what's up.
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« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2015, 08:53:20 AM »

Men and women should both be allowed to be topless in public (normal, not a prude).

What, in particular, is wrong about being prudish in this particular situation. I no more wish to observe the breasts of some random woman in the street than I wish to observe a man who has his dick dangling out on said street. There is nothing illogical about this desire, and it is one that I can only assume is shared by the vast majority of the population.

Topless women is an odd thing to be offended about in modern Western culture. It harms nobody. Although I have no problem with people exercising their freedom of speech and telling these women why they think they ought to cover up, there's no reason why they oughtn't have the right to be topless. Cultural norms staying cultural and not part of the legal system is what's breast. I mean, best. I mean, what were we talking about?

Having to, potentially, interact with a stranger who has their breasts (which, for most people, are a rather private part of their body) hanging out is something that I can only imagine to be greatly discomfiting and embarrassing for a great many people. It most certainly is not something that harms nobody.


To be fair, I passed a man the other day who was wearing the most hideous tops you could imagine. It was one of those rugby style shirts with thick horizontal stripes in brash primary colours. It caused me A horrid amount of discomforture, but alas it is his freedom to wear gross shirts.

The breasts and nipples are not a sexual organ, however we view them in society, so exposing it is not like a man's penis being allowed free reign. Rather it is directly comparable to a man's breast. So as long as we treat both kinds of nipple with equal treatment, I don't see anything wrong with parade. Perhaps it's time society behaved less like sning schoolboys over the issue.

As an obvious addendum, at what point during a transwoman's transition does the nipple become verboten?
But I hope you would agree that men walking shirtless on Manhattan (not beach or gym, or park, or their backyards) is something improper too. I mean nobody would feel hurt about that, but a lot would feel uncomfortable.
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« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2015, 09:15:26 AM »

Why is it anybody's job to cater to somebody else's irrational ideas about what makes them uncomfortable? Can't you extend this pretty easily into women having to wear more modest dress in general because it would make people uncomfortable otherwise?
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« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2015, 09:17:57 AM »

People should be able to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm anybody that doesn't want to be harmed.  And actual harm, not feelings hurt harm nor offended harm.  The female breast, soft as it is, is incapable of harm.

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« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2015, 12:14:59 PM »

I like topless women (heterosexual normal)

So do I. Indoors. In bed.

Why is it anybody's job to cater to somebody else's irrational ideas about what makes them uncomfortable? Can't you extend this pretty easily into women having to wear more modest dress in general because it would make people uncomfortable otherwise?

Hardly irrational. I don't want to see the body part that is informally, yet widely, recognised as having deeply sexual connotations in situations where those connotations are inappropriate.
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« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2015, 12:16:49 PM »

I like topless women (heterosexual normal)

So do I. Indoors. In bed.

Why is it anybody's job to cater to somebody else's irrational ideas about what makes them uncomfortable? Can't you extend this pretty easily into women having to wear more modest dress in general because it would make people uncomfortable otherwise?

Hardly irrational. I don't want to see the body part that is informally, yet widely, recognised as having deeply sexual connotations in situations where those connotations are inappropriate.

What if I had a foot fetish? Would I have the right to demand that women cover up their feet to satisfy my prudishness?

A lot of what this functionally comes down to is people tut-tutting women for breastfeeding in public. It's happened to my wife multiple times. That's shameful.
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« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2015, 02:41:05 AM »

There are a lot of out and out creeps posting in this thread. That is all.
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« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2015, 09:31:09 PM »

There are a lot of out and out creeps posting in this thread. That is all.

Am I one of those creeps? Sad
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« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2015, 10:14:04 PM »

There are a lot of out and out creeps posting in this thread. That is all.

Am I one of those creeps? Sad

If you had to ask......

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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2015, 04:43:40 AM »

I say go ahead. There's nothing harmful about exposing body parts that aren't genitalia. I got to say, America is unique with its prudishness.
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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2015, 12:21:36 PM »

Walking around shirtless doesn't hurt anybody.  Sure, people might be offended, and people have the right to be offended.  But being offended by something doesn't mean you can infringe on someone else's freedom of expression.
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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2015, 01:48:51 PM »

Troll thread, probably. Still, I don't think "topless parades" have any place in a decent city. (Men shouldn't be walking around through a city "topless" either.)
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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2015, 08:45:10 PM »

Having to, potentially, interact with a stranger who has their breasts (which, for most people, are a rather private part of their body) hanging out is something that I can only imagine to be greatly discomfiting and embarrassing for a great many people. It most certainly is not something that harms nobody.


Explain. 

Well, it physically harms no-one, other than the proverbial guy who gets distracted (as we men, regrettably, do) and walks into a lamp post or crashes his car. However, if we apply a broad definition of harm to include discomfiture, then having these, ah, items on display most certainly will cause discomfiture and embarrassment for many, and thus harm.

'If it makes me uncomfortable, it is harming me.  Ergo, it should be prohibited.'

What kind of 'logic' is that? A lot of things in life makes me uncomfortable (i.e. gay male couples holding hands and kissing), yet I don't go out of my way to prohibit the act. 

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« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2015, 09:12:30 PM »

Hell has frozen over in that Bill DeBlaisio and Andrew Cuomo actually agree with each other on something, and even stranger, I agree with them!
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« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2015, 09:30:13 PM »

Hell has frozen over in that Bill DeBlaisio and Andrew Cuomo actually agree with each other on something, and even stranger, I agree with them!
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« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2015, 10:20:54 PM »

Also:


1. You say that like it's a bad thing.
2. band name
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« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2015, 02:49:42 PM »


Because it is?
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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2015, 02:52:37 PM »

(Men shouldn't be walking around through a city "topless" either.)

you are truly bizarre
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« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2015, 04:09:56 PM »
« Edited: August 30, 2015, 04:14:36 PM by DavidB. »

(Men shouldn't be walking around through a city "topless" either.)

you are truly bizarre
I'm not talking about beaches or something. You think it's normal for men to walk around through a city without a shirt on? Like, on the street, in the subway, in the supermarket, in Starbucks? Because I think that's inappropriate, and even if one thinks it isn't, I fail to see why this opinion would render me "truly bizarre".
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« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2015, 05:46:05 PM »

(Men shouldn't be walking around through a city "topless" either.)

you are truly bizarre
I'm not talking about beaches or something. You think it's normal for men to walk around through a city without a shirt on? Like, on the street, in the subway, in the supermarket, in Starbucks? Because I think that's inappropriate, and even if one thinks it isn't, I fail to see why this opinion would render me "truly bizarre".

Men should have their shirts off at all times ofc (unless they're really gross)
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« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2015, 07:06:18 PM »


My problem is, you say that like it's a real thing. Feminazis don't exist. That is such a bullsh*t right-wing myth.
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« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2015, 10:22:38 PM »


My problem is, you say that like it's a real thing. Feminazis don't exist. That is such a bullsh*t right-wing myth.

They exist on Tumblr, that's for sure. 
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« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2015, 12:21:33 AM »

A woman having a generalized dislike for men is, at worst, an undesirable but understandable inconvenience to men who aren't terribles and, at best, a deliciously frustrating encumbrance to men who are terribles.
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« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2015, 12:28:51 AM »

A woman having a generalized dislike for men is, at worst, an undesirable but understandable inconvenience to men who aren't terribles and, at best, a deliciously frustrating encumbrance to men who are terribles.

But said women can also make men 'terribles.'
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« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2015, 12:37:10 AM »

A woman having a generalized dislike for men is, at worst, an undesirable but understandable inconvenience to men who aren't terribles and, at best, a deliciously frustrating encumbrance to men who are terribles.

But said women can also make men 'terribles.'

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