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« on: August 24, 2015, 05:01:25 PM »
« edited: August 24, 2015, 05:28:17 PM by Likely Voter »

The state of the GOP race and the fact that no one seems to be able to take the Donald down is making Weekly Standard's Bill Kristol nervous. Here are some missives from his article today...
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/october-surprise-gop_1016518.html

While it is crazy talk, I think it shows that even in elite GOP circles, there may be some nervous people worried that maybe the 'deep bench' we have been hearing about for so long isn't deep enough.
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2015, 05:05:20 PM »

If anything, the GOP's problem right now is that they have too many candidates.  If Romney, Mitch Daniels, or Paul Ryan jump in, it would become an even bigger train-wreck than before as establishment support becomes even more divided.
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2015, 05:26:48 PM »

Sam Alito 2016 would be glorious. He'd have to recuse himself from every case for the next decade after he has to take all the stands he'd need to take to run.
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2015, 05:45:10 PM »

When I think of the most successful Governors in recent history, I look to Jeb Bush of Florida, Mitch Daniels of Indiana, and Pete Wilson of California. Of course, one of those, Jeb Bush is already running.

I completely agree that Paul Ryan is an effective leader, I think he has the nation's interests at heart and he is an incredibly smart and talented leader, more so than most of his colleagues I'd say. Ryan's leadership on coming up with ways to reform our entitlement programs should be at the center of the debate. When it comes to fighting for conservative principles, Jim Jordan is steadfast. I also like Tom Cotton, he's a patriot who understands the world we live in.

But, I'd like to see the GOP field smaller, not larger.
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2015, 05:56:04 PM »

Kristol is another one who thinks that the problem is the candidates, not the party.

Also, I don't see how this solves the Trump problem.

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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2015, 06:00:07 PM »

Kristol is another one who thinks that the problem is the candidates, not the party.

Also, I don't see how this solves the Trump problem.


Yeah, I'm kind of baffled that the response to Trump's success is 'lets throw some more roughly interchangeable establishment suits into the mix!'.

There's nothing that any of those people mentioned could do to stop Trump, all they'd do is further divide the already divided opposition to him.
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2015, 06:06:58 PM »

Kristol is another one who thinks that the problem is the candidates, not the party.

Also, I don't see how this solves the Trump problem.


Yeah, I'm kind of baffled that the response to Trump's success is 'lets throw some more roughly interchangeable establishment suits into the mix!'.

There's nothing that any of those people mentioned could do to stop Trump, all they'd do is further divide the already divided opposition to him.

Well to be fair, Kristol is in a bubble. Outside of that bubble, much of the country is a place where "Establishment" and "Elite" are epithets among Republican voters. Republicans/conservatives inside the bubble love the likes of  Mitch Daniels and Paul Ryan, while many of the people Trump appeals to probably haven't even heard of either of those two. Thus, the disconnect.
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2015, 06:10:51 PM »

Kristol is another one who thinks that the problem is the candidates, not the party.

Also, I don't see how this solves the Trump problem.


Yeah, I'm kind of baffled that the response to Trump's success is 'lets throw some more roughly interchangeable establishment suits into the mix!'.

There's nothing that any of those people mentioned could do to stop Trump, all they'd do is further divide the already divided opposition to him.

Well to be fair, Kristol is in a bubble. Outside of that bubble, much of the country is a place where "Establishment" and "Elite" are epithets among Republican voters. Republicans/conservatives inside the bubble love the likes of  Mitch Daniels and Paul Ryan, while many of the people Trump appeals to probably haven't even heard of either of those two. Thus, the disconnect.

I'd guess most GOP voters have heard of Mitt Romney's running mate.
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2015, 06:13:10 PM »

Kristol is another one who thinks that the problem is the candidates, not the party.

Also, I don't see how this solves the Trump problem.


Yeah, I'm kind of baffled that the response to Trump's success is 'lets throw some more roughly interchangeable establishment suits into the mix!'.

There's nothing that any of those people mentioned could do to stop Trump, all they'd do is further divide the already divided opposition to him.

Well to be fair, Kristol is in a bubble. Outside of that bubble, much of the country is a place where "Establishment" and "Elite" are epithets among Republican voters. Republicans/conservatives inside the bubble love the likes of  Mitch Daniels and Paul Ryan, while many of the people Trump appeals to probably haven't even heard of either of those two. Thus, the disconnect.

I'd guess most GOP voters have heard of Mitt Romney's running mate.

I'll give you that one, but Mitch Daniels?
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2015, 06:17:07 PM »

Kristol is another one who thinks that the problem is the candidates, not the party.

Also, I don't see how this solves the Trump problem.


Yeah, I'm kind of baffled that the response to Trump's success is 'lets throw some more roughly interchangeable establishment suits into the mix!'.

There's nothing that any of those people mentioned could do to stop Trump, all they'd do is further divide the already divided opposition to him.

The GOP establishment is completely out of touch with America, one might go as far as to say that they are outright delusional. These are the same people who suffered existential crises when Mitt Romney didn't defy all the polling and win in a landslide.
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2015, 06:20:23 PM »

When I think of the most successful Governors in recent history, I look to Jeb Bush of Florida, Mitch Daniels of Indiana, and Pete Wilson of California. Of course, one of those, Jeb Bush is already running.

I completely agree that Paul Ryan is an effective leader, I think he has the nation's interests at heart and he is an incredibly smart and talented leader, more so than most of his colleagues I'd say. Ryan's leadership on coming up with ways to reform our entitlement programs should be at the center of the debate. When it comes to fighting for conservative principles, Jim Jordan is steadfast. I also like Tom Cotton, he's a patriot who understands the world we live in.

But, I'd like to see the GOP field smaller, not larger.
Pete Wilson, the great Know-Nothing anti-immigrant, to be clear. Mr. Know Nothing? Mr. Pro-Death?
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2015, 06:43:28 PM »

Wait wait wait. Mike Pompeo for president? RIP America... Pompeo is God-awful. He does nothing for his constituents, minus of course the Kochs. He outsourced his business, is a vile racist (read: Raj Goyle 2010), is a dirty campaigner, throws around stupid conspiracies, and tries to take away consumer rights.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2015, 06:43:40 PM »

Even if you subtract those considered establishment out of the equation and add their support to Jeb Bush, he is still in a statistical tie with Trump, it's a problem with Jeb and the establishment, and the Base is fed up.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2015, 07:48:29 PM »

Rubio. Bush. Kasich. Huckabee. Christie.

Four Governors and a Senator. Two from Florida, one from Ohio. Those five men are the ONLY ones I pay attention to during this election.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2015, 07:53:24 PM »

When I think of the most successful Governors in recent history, I look to Jeb Bush of Florida, Mitch Daniels of Indiana, and Pete Wilson of California. Of course, one of those, Jeb Bush is already running.

I completely agree that Paul Ryan is an effective leader, I think he has the nation's interests at heart and he is an incredibly smart and talented leader, more so than most of his colleagues I'd say. Ryan's leadership on coming up with ways to reform our entitlement programs should be at the center of the debate. When it comes to fighting for conservative principles, Jim Jordan is steadfast. I also like Tom Cotton, he's a patriot who understands the world we live in.

But, I'd like to see the GOP field smaller, not larger.

You might consider Pete Wilson as one of the most successful Governors of recent times, but his reelection bid alienated Hispanic voters to the point that they've never really recovered.
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2015, 08:01:48 PM »

Republicans finally found a candidate who speaks the truth, gets enthusiasm from their base, and offers a real solution to the immigration and border problem, and their first instinct is to just try to sabotage it.

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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2015, 08:06:36 PM »

Sam Alito 2016 would be glorious. He'd have to recuse himself from every case for the next decade after he has to take all the stands he'd need to take to run.

Better yet, Alito could resign from the court to run for president.
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2015, 08:09:27 PM »

Sam Alito 2016 would be glorious. He'd have to recuse himself from every case for the next decade after he has to take all the stands he'd need to take to run.

Better yet, Alito could resign from the court to run for president.

It would be Charles Evans Hughes 2.0 100 years after the original.
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2015, 08:15:41 PM »

Where does Kristol come up with this stuff? I bet not even Sam Alito has thought about the possibility of Alito 2016.
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2015, 08:42:11 PM »

More candidates would throw the race deeper into chaos
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2015, 09:28:05 PM »

Where did the random Mike Pompeo mention come from?
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