Should illegal immigrants be able to vote?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

No for illegals, but since the actual poll question didn't mention illegal immigrants but resident aliens, yes (but only for local elections),

[DonaldTrumpForLife]

Illegals are evil and are killing Americans everyday. They should be THROWN OUT!

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Only after they obtain citizenship (which I would allow them to do through a tough, 12-15 year process)

[Murica!]

Yes(Normal, not a fascistic nationalist retard)

You're some kind of retard if that's your pathetic response.

OK how's this:
I believe that the Earth is everyone's and no one should be forced to live where they don't wish to and that includes the right to act with in the civic life of what ever region a person wishes to live in. I also believe anyone who believes that humans should be restricted by literal lines on a map have no human compassion and are nothing more than bigoted idiots.

Totally disagree

Care to explain?

[Rockefeller GOP]

Yes(Normal, not a fascistic nationalist retard)

You're some kind of retard if that's your pathetic response.

OK how's this:
I believe that the Earth is everyone's and no one should be forced to live where they don't wish to and that includes the right to act with in the civic life of what ever region a person wishes to live in. I also believe anyone who believes that humans should be restricted by literal lines on a map have no human compassion and are nothing more than bigoted idiots.

Much better and infinitely more relatable response.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Yes(Normal, not a fascistic nationalist retard)

You're some kind of retard if that's your pathetic response.

OK how's this:
I believe that the Earth is everyone's and no one should be forced to live where they don't wish to and that includes the right to act with in the civic life of what ever region a person wishes to live in. I also believe anyone who believes that humans should be restricted by literal lines on a map have no human compassion and are nothing more than bigoted idiots.

Much better and infinitely more relatable response.

No. If anything, Murica is coming off as even more retarded than before now.

[Rockefeller GOP]

Yes(Normal, not a fascistic nationalist retard)

You're some kind of retard if that's your pathetic response.

OK how's this:
I believe that the Earth is everyone's and no one should be forced to live where they don't wish to and that includes the right to act with in the civic life of what ever region a person wishes to live in. I also believe anyone who believes that humans should be restricted by literal lines on a map have no human compassion and are nothing more than bigoted idiots.

Much better and infinitely more relatable response.

No. If anything, Murica is coming off as even more retarded than before now.

I don't agree with him, but at least he typed out his reasoning and why he believes what he does, rather than just slandering his opposition...

[Goldwater]

Only citizens should be able to vote, but everybody should have a simple path to citizenship.

[Maxwell]

Only citizens should be able to vote, but everybody should have a simple path to citizenship.

I agree with this.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Yes(Normal, not a fascistic nationalist retard)

You're some kind of retard if that's your pathetic response.

OK how's this:
I believe that the Earth is everyone's and no one should be forced to live where they don't wish to and that includes the right to act with in the civic life of what ever region a person wishes to live in. I also believe anyone who believes that humans should be restricted by literal lines on a map have no human compassion and are nothing more than bigoted idiots.

Totally disagree

Care to explain?

One because they are not suppose to be here as they are illegal, and 2nd that erases the point of having a country, borders, and loyalty to a country if anyone can go to another country and vote there.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yes(Normal, not a fascistic nationalist retard)

You're some kind of retard if that's your pathetic response.

OK how's this:
I believe that the Earth is everyone's and no one should be forced to live where they don't wish to and that includes the right to act with in the civic life of what ever region a person wishes to live in. I also believe anyone who believes that humans should be restricted by literal lines on a map have no human compassion and are nothing more than bigoted idiots.

Much better and infinitely more relatable response.

No. If anything, Murica is coming off as even more retarded than before now.

Murica's view is perfectly sound and rational, and I agree with him 100%.

[Cassius]

Simply being human shouldn't mean you have a right to expect anything from life... no matter what John Locke or the United Nations might have said. This attitude has been fundamentally corrosive to the principle of good governance and to human morality in general.

[Thunderbird is the word]

Yes (D) If you live here you get a say in how your governed.

[Ban my account ffs!]

Only if they're citizens, which I would allow them to be... but only after a 46 year process that involves hornet stings and eating only food that is seen as acceptable at a Minnesota nursing home.

[/wulfric]

Illegal immigrants shouldn't vote in U.S. elections.  They should be given citizenship asap as long as they give up their citizenship in their home country.

[Murica!]

Yes(Normal, not a fascistic nationalist retard)

You're some kind of retard if that's your pathetic response.

OK how's this:
I believe that the Earth is everyone's and no one should be forced to live where they don't wish to and that includes the right to act with in the civic life of what ever region a person wishes to live in. I also believe anyone who believes that humans should be restricted by literal lines on a map have no human compassion and are nothing more than bigoted idiots.

Totally disagree

Care to explain?

One because they are not suppose to be here as they are illegal, and 2nd that erases the point of having a country, borders, and loyalty to a country if anyone can go to another country and vote there.

That's the point...

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Simply being human shouldn't mean you have a right to expect anything from life... no matter what John Locke or the United Nations might have said. This attitude has been fundamentally corrosive to the principle of good governance and to human morality in general.

PREACH!

(No seriously, I am in 100% agreement).

[Antonio the Sixth]

Simply being human shouldn't mean you have a right to expect anything from life... no matter what John Locke or the United Nations might have said. This attitude has been fundamentally corrosive to the principle of good governance and to human morality in general.

PREACH!

(No seriously, I am in 100% agreement).

Wow. I mean, I could definitely expect such a post from Cassius, but did you just reject the very notion of human rights? That's just f**ked up.

[/]

Only citizens should be able to vote, but everybody should have a simple path to citizenship.

[Cassius]

Simply being human shouldn't mean you have a right to expect anything from life... no matter what John Locke or the United Nations might have said. This attitude has been fundamentally corrosive to the principle of good governance and to human morality in general.

PREACH!

(No seriously, I am in 100% agreement).

Wow. I mean, I could definitely expect such a post from Cassius, but did you just reject the very notion of human rights? That's just f**ked up.

Tell me, what is the actual basis upon which human rights rest? The basis upon which the can be made effective for the the whole of humanity? I mean, the British government acts as the guarantor of my rights as a British citizen, but what body has the necessary power to make human rights more than meaningless words for humans generally?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Simply being human shouldn't mean you have a right to expect anything from life... no matter what John Locke or the United Nations might have said. This attitude has been fundamentally corrosive to the principle of good governance and to human morality in general.

PREACH!

(No seriously, I am in 100% agreement).

Wow. I mean, I could definitely expect such a post from Cassius, but did you just reject the very notion of human rights? That's just f**ked up.

Tell me, what is the actual basis upon which human rights rest? The basis upon which the can be made effective for the the whole of humanity? I mean, the British government acts as the guarantor of my rights as a British citizen, but what body has the necessary power to make human rights more than meaningless words for humans generally?

Human rights are beyond politics and government. They are a categorical imperative.

[Cassius]

Simply being human shouldn't mean you have a right to expect anything from life... no matter what John Locke or the United Nations might have said. This attitude has been fundamentally corrosive to the principle of good governance and to human morality in general.

PREACH!

(No seriously, I am in 100% agreement).

Wow. I mean, I could definitely expect such a post from Cassius, but did you just reject the very notion of human rights? That's just f**ked up.

Tell me, what is the actual basis upon which human rights rest? The basis upon which the can be made effective for the the whole of humanity? I mean, the British government acts as the guarantor of my rights as a British citizen, but what body has the necessary power to make human rights more than meaningless words for humans generally?

Human rights are beyond politics and government. They are a categorical imperative.

Really? I mean, human rights are essentially a human construct, I think we both agree on that. There's no gene or particle that gives us a right to free speech or to freedom of movement. Fine. The same is true, of course, of every law ever made by any body in human history. The problem is, a human construct is essentially worthless if it cannot be properly promoted and enforced for those it is supposed to apply to. If something is immaterial, and cannot be made effective by material means, then it does not exist. Take religion. Roman state religion was, once upon a time, a very real concept indeed. It was basically immaterial, but had the material backing of a very powerful state, the Roman state. Then, of course, the empire was Christianised, and it ceased to be promoted, thus losing its relevance, and indeed, the basis upon which it existed.

Human rights are largely the same. The most prominent modern conception of human rights, as expounded by the UN, is very young indeed, and has not been in existence for most of human history. Now, human rights have historically been promoted very haphazardly anyway; certainly not for all humans. Should the Universal Declaration of Human Rights fall into abeyance, they will not exist once more. So we have, as the basis of human rights, a 20th century charter whose enforcement has been, at best, uneven, and in many cases non-existent. I do not find that to be a sufficient basis to call something a categorical imperative.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

I should show up in some European socialist country right before the election, and vote for candidates who want to privatize everything!

[politicus]

I should show up in some European socialist country right before the election, and vote for candidates who want to privatize everything!

Good luck finding one.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

The poll and the question are asking opposite things.

Of course this question is really interesting if you look at those countries who are more worker than citizens, and how these disenfranchised non-citizens are treated.