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Senator Cris
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« on: August 25, 2015, 01:58:41 AM »
« edited: September 16, 2015, 08:08:49 AM by Speaker Cris »

The petition for a Constitutional Convention has reached enough signatures in the regions of Northeast, Pacific and South.

According to the Constitution, now the Senate will determine regulations of Constitutional Convention.

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I suggest to start with a debate and then propose our amendments.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2015, 04:36:18 AM »
« Edited: August 25, 2015, 04:39:16 AM by Speaker Cris »

In the last Constitutional Convention, there were 20 delegates, all selected by the regions.
Personally, I think that 20 delegates is a good number. I'd prefer something like 5 Senators selected by the Senate and 15 delegated selected by the regions.
I also think that the number of delegates that are up to regions should be decided according to a proportional criteria.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2015, 04:57:31 AM »

Some ideas:

- 21 delegates (5 from Senate, others from regions)
- Regional delegates selected by legislatures or with an elections. All citizens of that region, not only office holders, can be delegates.
- Delegates will elect a Presiding Officer
- Each delegate can propose a topic of discussion, then the Presiding Officer will open a thread
- In that thread there are discussions, votes (like the Senate with amendments, objections) and a final vote. With a final vote, the change to the Constitution on that matter is official.
- At the end of the ConCon, the regions will vote on all changes (it's already planned by the Constitution)
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2015, 05:26:30 AM »

I actually sympathize with Griffin's concern. If the delegates do not include a number of Laborite and other leftist voices, then this convention will surely fail. I also think Griffin should be one of the delegates himself obviously. Tongue

Me too.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2015, 02:04:34 AM »

10 Parties
10 Regions (2 per region)
5 Senate

I'm ok with 2 per region. I think all regions can find 2 active citizens. But I have doubts about the Midwest. The regional government is inactive from August 12.
In that case, I'd be ok with being a regional delegate from the Midwest, instead of a delegate selected by the Senate.

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Senator Cris
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2015, 03:27:43 AM »

An amendment:

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I'm presenting this amendment now because in the next week I will not be able to work with my PC.
Obviously these are only my ideas and it can be modified with other amendments. Also the language might be not so great. But at least this amendment is a starting point, so I invite my colleagues to not object to it in the next 24 hours and then change it with other amendments.

Senators have 24 hours to object.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2015, 01:50:30 PM »

The amendment has been adopted.

We might have an election for the delegates but don't forget that the results would be a lot biased toward the centre right. I think that federalists delegates (just an example) would receive a lot more votes than the Labor delegates, regardless of the fact that they are statistically tied in the voters count.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2015, 01:39:51 AM »

Senators have 24 hours to object.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2015, 06:40:26 AM »

To clarify: my amendment was only a first step. It can be changed with amendments.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2015, 11:36:21 AM »

The amendment has been adopted.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2015, 12:14:38 PM »

I am against random selection.
Senators, don't forget to present amendments if you have problems with the current text.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2015, 02:43:06 PM »

Senators have 24 hours to object.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2015, 03:42:58 PM »

The amendment has been adopted.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2015, 03:02:25 PM »

I'd be ok with one week after the passage.
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2015, 01:53:02 AM »

I'd like to remember that citizens can propose amendments and asking a Senator to sponsor it for them.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2015, 09:34:38 AM »

A public poll?
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2015, 10:30:07 AM »

Citizens of other regions and even users that aren't registered in the game might vote.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2015, 05:09:54 PM »

I object to Evergreen's amendment. It is important, in constituting the Convention, to ensure that every national interest - not just the Regions - is represented. The current bill allows for delegates from the Regions, the electorate at-large (the 5 party delegates), and the national government: this balances  the competing concerns of these constituencies against each other, ensuring that the resulting Constitution will be fair for everyone.
No senator have decided to sponsor that amendment. So, as of now, there isn't need for objection.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2015, 04:51:00 AM »

I would like to see a list of reasons why the Senate should be completely excluded from the selection of any delegates, beyond just vague criticisms about it being the worst ever.
Me too.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2015, 12:04:24 PM »

Thirded.
If there will not be objections, I'll open a final vote when the 24 hours period expires.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2015, 04:33:20 PM »

A final vote is now open.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2015, 05:50:39 AM »

Aye
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2015, 10:45:53 AM »

This bill has enough votes to pass.
Senators have 24 hours to change/add their votes.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2015, 08:08:44 AM »

Do we get to use the ConCon board?

(I know it's a stupid question, but I'm curious.)
Yes. Smiley
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2015, 10:59:10 AM »

This has passed the Senate.
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