Mexico warns Texas not to refuse its immigrants' babies U.S. birth certificates

[IronFist]

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/08/27/mexico-warns-texas-not-to-refuse-its-babies-usbirth-certificates/
Sometimes I can't understand the Mexican government. I thought all countries in the world do not want their citizens to leave the country and it looks like Mexico is the only place where the government wants people to become the citizens of an another country.
As for me it's a step in the right direction. There are too many Mexican immigrants in Texas and I don't think we need more of them.

[angus]

If I were a government official I'd be embarrassed that a foreign government should need to remind us of our own laws and customs.

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What was Texas doing? Giving them Kenyan birth certificates?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Mexico ought to be minding their own...very serious...business.

Populist 'Merican rhetoric aside, Angus is of course correct.

[ag]

On one hand, Mexican government is merely trying to figure out what forms of ID the US agencies in question would accept. The consulate is doing one of its basic jobs: assisting its own citizens in relationship with the host government.

Then, of course, we are not saints here either. For decades Chiapas authorities have been doing the same thing as the Texans - only to Guatemalans, etc. I believe, this has changed recently, but it used to be very difficult for a child of Guatemalan citizens without legal Mexican papers to obtain a Chiapas birth certificate. And, of course, Mexico, like the US, has the birthright citizenship.

[Jacobtm]

Meanwhile, in a sane world this headline reads:

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[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Why are all these unreconstructed nativists crawling out of the woodwork on the forum all of a sudden? Is this because of Trump?

[TJ in Oregon]

Why are all these unreconstructed nativists crawling out of the woodwork on the forum all of a sudden? Is this because of Trump?

There aren't that many 'unreconstructed nativists' but most of people railing against illegal immigration probably already held that view before Trump, albeit more quietly. What Trump did was move the overton window such that these things are much more acceptable to say in public. He also did convince a decent number of people who were ambivalent about this before. I keep hearing working class union types coming out hard against illegal immigration, campaigning for mass deportation, saying it has destroyed the middle class. That and free trade. People are fed up that politicians have ignored them for decades while their livelihoods declined; both parties giving lip service but doing nothing.

What people fail to see is that deporting 11 million illegal immigrants won't save the middle class. What it will do is rip apart families and create economic destruction. Neighborhoods will be turned into ghost towns. Demand will tank for all kinds of products. It will make large parts of the southwest look like East Cleveland. But no one wants to think about that. People want to close their eyes and wake up in 1995 with the last 20 years all some kind of bad dream. But we aren't able to go back even if we wanted to. Life's not a computer game; you can't reload from the last saved version.

[Reaganfan]

Mexico ought to be minding their own...very serious...business.

Populist 'Merican rhetoric aside, Angus is of course correct.

Yeah, really. Some Federali in Tijuana threatening the United States? Are they nuts? All we have to do is make them drink their own water and we will win.

[MaxQue]

Mexico ought to be minding their own...very serious...business.

Populist 'Merican rhetoric aside, Angus is of course correct.

Yeah, really. Some Federali in Tijuana threatening the United States? Are they nuts? All we have to do is make them drink their own water and we will win.

He isn't threating anyone, he reminds to Texas government they are bound to follow US federal laws (which they were ignoring).

[Bojack Horseman]

Why are all these unreconstructed nativists crawling out of the woodwork on the forum all of a sudden? Is this because of Trump?

There aren't that many 'unreconstructed nativists' but most of people railing against illegal immigration probably already held that view before Trump, albeit more quietly. What Trump did was move the overton window such that these things are much more acceptable to say in public. He also did convince a decent number of people who were ambivalent about this before. I keep hearing working class union types coming out hard against illegal immigration, campaigning for mass deportation, saying it has destroyed the middle class. That and free trade. People are fed up that politicians have ignored them for decades while their livelihoods declined; both parties giving lip service but doing nothing.

What people fail to see is that deporting 11 million illegal immigrants won't save the middle class. What it will do is rip apart families and create economic destruction. Neighborhoods will be turned into ghost towns. Demand will tank for all kinds of products. It will make large parts of the southwest look like East Cleveland. But no one wants to think about that. People want to close their eyes and wake up in 1995 with the last 20 years all some kind of bad dream. But we aren't able to go back even if we wanted to. Life's not a computer game; you can't reload from the last saved version.

It's been very, very loud and more and more hateful since 2010 and SB1070.

[RFayette]

Why are all these unreconstructed nativists crawling out of the woodwork on the forum all of a sudden? Is this because of Trump?

There aren't that many 'unreconstructed nativists' but most of people railing against illegal immigration probably already held that view before Trump, albeit more quietly. What Trump did was move the overton window such that these things are much more acceptable to say in public. He also did convince a decent number of people who were ambivalent about this before. I keep hearing working class union types coming out hard against illegal immigration, campaigning for mass deportation, saying it has destroyed the middle class. That and free trade. People are fed up that politicians have ignored them for decades while their livelihoods declined; both parties giving lip service but doing nothing.

What people fail to see is that deporting 11 million illegal immigrants won't save the middle class. What it will do is rip apart families and create economic destruction. Neighborhoods will be turned into ghost towns. Demand will tank for all kinds of products. It will make large parts of the southwest look like East Cleveland. But no one wants to think about that. People want to close their eyes and wake up in 1995 with the last 20 years all some kind of bad dream. But we aren't able to go back even if we wanted to. Life's not a computer game; you can't reload from the last saved version.

Also, keep in mind, many of these people used to be loyal Democrats.   There's a reason the 1996 DNC platform was hard against illegal immigration and was rather tough on cultural issues/discipline - Clinton knew these folks were part of his base and had to triangulate!  (see here http://reason.com/blog/2015/08/26/when-the-entire-democratic-party-was-lik ) 

They eventually defected to the Republicans as the Dems seemed to embrace cultural liberalism and Hispanic issues more and more, but they never really felt at home with a corporatist, pro-trade, market-worshipping Republican party.  These people have always been there, but their large defection to the GOP has made them a more visible/unified coalition than in the past.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Why are all these unreconstructed nativists crawling out of the woodwork on the forum all of a sudden? Is this because of Trump?

There aren't that many 'unreconstructed nativists' but most of people railing against illegal immigration probably already held that view before Trump, albeit more quietly. What Trump did was move the overton window such that these things are much more acceptable to say in public. He also did convince a decent number of people who were ambivalent about this before. I keep hearing working class union types coming out hard against illegal immigration, campaigning for mass deportation, saying it has destroyed the middle class. That and free trade. People are fed up that politicians have ignored them for decades while their livelihoods declined; both parties giving lip service but doing nothing.

What people fail to see is that deporting 11 million illegal immigrants won't save the middle class. What it will do is rip apart families and create economic destruction. Neighborhoods will be turned into ghost towns. Demand will tank for all kinds of products. It will make large parts of the southwest look like East Cleveland. But no one wants to think about that. People want to close their eyes and wake up in 1995 with the last 20 years all some kind of bad dream. But we aren't able to go back even if we wanted to. Life's not a computer game; you can't reload from the last saved version.

I meant on Atlas Forum, specifically. I know all of this about the country at large.

[Cassius]

Why are all these unreconstructed nativists crawling out of the woodwork on the forum all of a sudden? Is this because of Trump?

There aren't that many 'unreconstructed nativists' but most of people railing against illegal immigration probably already held that view before Trump, albeit more quietly. What Trump did was move the overton window such that these things are much more acceptable to say in public. He also did convince a decent number of people who were ambivalent about this before. I keep hearing working class union types coming out hard against illegal immigration, campaigning for mass deportation, saying it has destroyed the middle class. That and free trade. People are fed up that politicians have ignored them for decades while their livelihoods declined; both parties giving lip service but doing nothing.

What people fail to see is that deporting 11 million illegal immigrants won't save the middle class. What it will do is rip apart families and create economic destruction. Neighborhoods will be turned into ghost towns. Demand will tank for all kinds of products. It will make large parts of the southwest look like East Cleveland. But no one wants to think about that. People want to close their eyes and wake up in 1995 with the last 20 years all some kind of bad dream. But we aren't able to go back even if we wanted to. Life's not a computer game; you can't reload from the last saved version.

I meant on Atlas Forum, specifically. I know all of this about the country at large.

Election season is pretty much underway, so I'd imagine Atlas is drawing in more people who wouldn't normally visit the website, and some of these new (or perhaps returned, since the last Presidential election) visitors have registered to post.