was 1952 a realigning election?

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

2000 was the last realigning election. Some big things that occurred that year:

- Beginning with 2000, no democrat, not even a southern democrat, can win a southern state. Between 1972 and 1996 inclusive, the rule was that southern democrats (Clinton, Carter) would always win some southern states if they were winning nationally, but no other democrats ever could.

- Between 1972 and 1996, TX was a Lean R state at the presidential level outside of the '72 and '84 landslides.  Beginning in 2000, it started to go overwhelmingly republican, even in big democratic waves (Even Obama '08 only managed 44%).

- Illinois went from being a republican pipe dream in the 90s to completely uncompetitive.

- Florida turned into a swing state after being something democrats could only win in landslides during the 80s and 90s.

- WV went from Safe D to Likely R in one cycle.

- Still in effect limits on Republican Senate Potential were imposed - In 2000, Republican Senators in Washington, Michigan, Minnesota, and Delaware were defeated - outside of the freak occurence in 2002 (when the Democrats were forced to institute Mondale as their nominee in MN at the last minute and lost narrowly), Republicans have never won a Senate race in any of those states this century

[m4567]

Rethinking this. I think there are two kinds of realigning presidential elections: Demographic and Ideological.

1932 was actually both.

Demographic: 1952 and 1992.

Ideological: 1980 and 2008.

[Thunderbird is the word]

How was 1952 a demographic realignment? Maybe culturally in a way but not demographic as it was the first election in which the stereotype of the "liberal elitist" emerged.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Rethinking this. I think there are two kinds of realigning presidential elections: Demographic and Ideological.

1932 was actually both.

Demographic: 1952 and 1992.

Ideological: 1980 and 2008.

I would change 1952 to 1968

[Hydera]

Rethinking this. I think there are two kinds of realigning presidential elections: Demographic and Ideological.

1932 was actually both.

Demographic: 1952 and 1992.

Ideological: 1980 and 2008.

Geographic : doesn't challenge the ideological alignment, only the bases.

1952 - Republicans have a consistent base in the Great Plains and Mountain States

1972 - Republicans dominant in the South for most elections from now on.

1992 - Democrats have a fixed base in the great lakes, North East and West Coast

Ideological: Definite change in the general ideological fixture of politics.

1932 - Government welfare programs and intervention in the economy becomes a norm.

1980 - Reversal of 1932, with cutbacks to taxation and more free market orientated policies.

[m4567]

Rethinking this. I think there are two kinds of realigning presidential elections: Demographic and Ideological.

1932 was actually both.

Demographic: 1952 and 1992.

Ideological: 1980 and 2008.

Geographic : doesn't challenge the ideological alignment, only the bases.

1952 - Republicans have a consistent base in the Great Plains and Mountain States

1972 - Republicans dominant in the South for most elections from now on.

1992 - Democrats have a fixed base in the great lakes, North East and West Coast

Ideological: Definite change in the general ideological fixture of politics.

1932 - Government welfare programs and intervention in the economy becomes a norm.

1980 - Reversal of 1932, with cutbacks to taxation and more free market orientated policies.

Maybe it's too early to say 2008 is ideological, but I feel it probably is. Obamacare, LGBT rights and moderate Keynesian economics.

[Hydera]

Rethinking this. I think there are two kinds of realigning presidential elections: Demographic and Ideological.

1932 was actually both.

Demographic: 1952 and 1992.

Ideological: 1980 and 2008.

Geographic : doesn't challenge the ideological alignment, only the bases.

1952 - Republicans have a consistent base in the Great Plains and Mountain States

1972 - Republicans dominant in the South for most elections from now on.

1992 - Democrats have a fixed base in the great lakes, North East and West Coast

Ideological: Definite change in the general ideological fixture of politics.

1932 - Government welfare programs and intervention in the economy becomes a norm.

1980 - Reversal of 1932, with cutbacks to taxation and more free market orientated policies.

Maybe it's too early to say 2008 is ideological, but I feel it probably is. Obamacare, LGBT rights and moderate Keynesian economics.

LGBT politics obviously given the supreme court ruling its going to be near impossible to challenge. Other issues will still have to be resolved like housing, job discrimination. etc

 obamacare... eh...

Moderate keynesian economics? Absolutely not.