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« on: August 28, 2015, 12:40:48 PM »

For reference

http://wkrn.com/2015/08/27/ut-knoxville-encourages-students-to-use-gender-neutral-pronouns/
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2015, 12:42:12 PM »

HM (and NM - nutty measures).
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2015, 12:44:30 PM »

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Im just so confused about how not to offend people at this point that I think not talking to anyone is the best course for the human race at this point.

I think as a society we have been so sheltered from the evil that still exists in our world that we use a lot of our collective activist energy on absurd things like this. perhaps this director would be much more effective in reversing or repealing the homophobic laws that exits around the world. You know...the places where you get killed if you're gay rather than worrying about 'micro-agressions' and regulating the speech of inebriated college students in a relatively accepting nation.

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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2015, 01:24:22 PM »

We should be thankful it's not mandated....though I suspect (and hope) that that would make students leave their in droves.
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2015, 01:31:57 PM »

Its so cute how libs think that changing words is going to somehow change how society views gender
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2015, 02:43:53 PM »
« Edited: August 28, 2015, 02:56:21 PM by bagelman »

It's dumb. Liberal airheads like this are too cowardly and egotistical to change the world where it matters, instead they want us to be uniform to make sure nobody offends anybody. Transgender people can just use the pronoun with the gender they identify with, and "non-binary" people can use whatever term they want for themselves as long as I don't become a bigot if I don't want to memorize  a third set of pronouns for one person.
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2015, 04:02:44 PM »



Bedstuy puts it best with CLER...campus leftwing emotional rhetoric...I add "gone insane" to make it CLERGI.
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2015, 04:25:38 PM »

FM obviously.  Whoever opposes this should send zemself to the reeducation camp.
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2015, 04:39:09 PM »

think it's a bit silly that they're not just using "they/them/their/etc"

but obviously there's nothing wrong with encouraging students to think about their pronouns
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2015, 04:59:46 PM »

I don't really have a problem with encouraging people to use gender-neutral language, but the gender neutral pronouns here are cringeworthy and there is really no way someone could convince me to say them.

LARPers use less cringey language.
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2015, 05:06:20 PM »

As is so often the case, Marokai has it about right.
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2015, 05:28:21 PM »

Its so cute how libs think that changing words is going to somehow change how society views gender

You mind if I sig that?

Also, HM. I am so glad that the university I attend doesn't push it nearly as much as a northern university would.
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2015, 09:51:50 PM »

Ridiculous, Dumb, Fking retarded feminist sh*t
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2015, 09:56:27 PM »

No one is going to unironically do this.
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2015, 10:09:05 PM »

About as horrible as the training seminars where they encourage us to practice 'mindfulness' and other such neopagan practices. Thankfully, no one actually cares and instead views the conversation as an hour they could have been doing something else.
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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2015, 10:11:48 PM »

I don't think the example provided is that bad, only raising awareness of other pronouns, but in general... yes, extreme sensitivity measures are overkill.
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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2015, 11:21:42 PM »

Horrible measures.  What's interesting is how narrow the support for such things seems to be.  It's like these professors and administrators are living on another planet, when it seems even in most liberal publications and forums these practices are derieded. 
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2015, 11:49:26 PM »
« Edited: August 28, 2015, 11:51:38 PM by shua »

These students are going to be reading a lot of works with gendered language in it so they need to be okay with it in order to have an education that doesn't completely miss the point.  I use "they" a lot of the time, sometimes "he," and occasionally "she" for a hypothetical person of indefinite gender.  Language is flexible and in some ways inherently imprecise.  I am guessing languages where concepts and inanimate objects are assigned gendered forms do not have this obsession with pc pronouns, as they recognize there is some arbitrariness involved?

About as horrible as the training seminars where they encourage us to practice 'mindfulness' and other such neopagan practices. Thankfully, no one actually cares and instead views the conversation as an hour they could have been doing something else.

Mindfulness seems like it would be a very helpful skill for dealing with the stress of being a student, and I don't think it need conflict with Christianity.
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2015, 03:39:55 AM »

Absolutely horrible. Grateful my old university doesn't do this practice (yet).
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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2015, 04:07:29 AM »

What's wrong with using "they"?
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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2015, 04:48:07 AM »

HMs (not the PC police or a SJW)
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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2015, 05:07:22 AM »


Also, if someone accidentally misgenders a person, I really don't think that's a problem. Misunderstandings happen. Just get corrected, apologize, accept it, and move on. It's not like an innocent misunderstanding is traumatizing.

Even so I really don't think the solution is to basically just start making up Klingon words for transgender people.
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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2015, 06:27:37 AM »

While I do make some use of the Spivak pronoun set (third person plurals minus the starting th) in some writing, I think using anything other than third person plurals in the singular as a general use method for dealing with the lack of neuter singular in English is loony. At least the Spivak set has the advantage of some of them (especially em) already having some colloquial use, tho not for gender neutral purposes.
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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2015, 07:16:07 AM »

Its so cute how libs think that changing words is going to somehow change how society views gender

This is not unprecedented and yes it does become part of societal change. When I was growing up there was a big deal placed on whether a woman was married, much more so than whether a man was married. We were taught specific uses of the Miss vs. Mrs title. Ms had been a variant in use, but it wasn't until the early '70's that it was pushed by feminists to equalize the view of marital status. By the time I was in college in the late 70's they encouraged the use of Ms instead of Miss or Mrs. Now the use of Ms is widespread and preferred by many style guides, and society is less concerned about the marital status of women than in 1970. I can't say that the word use caused the change, but both changes did happen.
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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2015, 11:33:38 AM »

About as horrible as the training seminars where they encourage us to practice 'mindfulness' and other such neopagan practices. Thankfully, no one actually cares and instead views the conversation as an hour they could have been doing something else.

Mindfulness seems like it would be a very helpful skill for dealing with the stress of being a student, and I don't think it need conflict with Christianity.

I was being a little hyperbolic in calling it neopagan perhaps, but, using Wikipedia's definition of it:

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There is definitely some tension here with the Christian understandings of reflection, examination of conscience, and prayer in general. I don't think the university is trying to make everyone Buddhist, rather to brainwash us all into "non-judgmentalism" of whichever variety is fashionable of late.

Also, what is academia doing putting Buddhist practices into secular seminars?
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