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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2015, 05:36:30 PM »

Between IA and SC, which you weirdly didn't include.
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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2015, 07:35:51 PM »

He wins the convention (normal, sane).


You think the stuff he says is normal and sane? You think running or a 4th Bush term is normal and sane when no one wants it? I am always amazed at how "concerned" the left is at the GOP picks.
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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2015, 07:37:54 PM »

Jebbers is done for as soon as Rubio or Kasich become the establishment standard bearer.

Correct. The poster who said Bush gets the nomination because the GOPe is all in for him, ignores the fact that Kasich and Rubio are also more than acceptable to the GOPe. In fact a Kasich/Rubio ticket would be pretty strong.
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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2015, 07:41:14 PM »

His best shot at an early primary state win in New Hampshire which Trump, Kasich and Fiorina are clearly beating him. Jeb is the weakest Establishment candidate since his father's 1980 run against Reagan.
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« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2015, 07:41:25 PM »

Are you actually calling him Yeb because he has an Hispanic wife?

Seriously, leave our party.  Go try to turn the Democrats into your racist, xenophobic, fiscally liberal party that you have wet dreams about.

He is Yeb, because HE is from Mexico.
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« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2015, 08:22:51 PM »

Are you actually calling him Yeb because he has an Hispanic wife?

Seriously, leave our party.  Go try to turn the Democrats into your racist, xenophobic, fiscally liberal party that you have wet dreams about.

He is Yeb, because HE is from Mexico.



Roll Eyes Newsflash: Your party can't win presidential elections anymore without doing better among minorities.

Yes, it can. For starters it can win 64-66% of the white vote it got in 1984 and 72. On its way to 70-75% of the white vote. Pandering to minorities will gain the GOP about 1 minority vote for every 2 white votes it loses. How do you think the Dems ended up the way they did in the 70s and 80s? They pandered to blacks and lost more white votes than they gained black votes.
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« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2015, 08:25:13 PM »

Not all white people are openly racist or willing to vote Republican.
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« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2015, 08:33:39 PM »

Can someone fill me in on what calling him Yeb has to do with his wife being Hispanic?  Five minutes of googling has not told me anything.
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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2015, 08:36:18 PM »

Not all white people are openly racist or willing to vote Republican.

In 2015. Im talking about 2020 and beyond. White identity politics will only grow in the coming decades. Whites after being told they will soon be a minority, will begin acting like minorities. A majority minority Dem party will look an awful lot like the vengeful ANC in South Africa. If the Dem delegates in 2012 booed Israel and God, there is no reason to think by the late 2020s, they wont be singing "Kill The Boer" at the DNC on live TV. Wait until reparations begins to gain more political acceptance. Or Hispanics want some type of autonomy in the SW states.
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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2015, 08:38:31 PM »

Can someone fill me in on what calling him Yeb has to do with his wife being Hispanic?  Five minutes of googling has not told me anything.

Yeb has nothing to do with his wife. It has to do with him. He'd prefer it. He says he is bi-cultural and actually called himself hispanic
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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2015, 08:41:11 PM »

Can someone fill me in on what calling him Yeb has to do with his wife being Hispanic?  Five minutes of googling has not told me anything.

Yeb has nothing to do with his wife. It has to do with him. He'd prefer it. He says he is bi-cultural and actually called himself hispanic

That doesn't even come close to answering my question.  I want to know what the name/word Yeb has to do with being hispanic.
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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2015, 08:45:38 PM »

Are you actually calling him Yeb because he has an Hispanic wife?

Seriously, leave our party.  Go try to turn the Democrats into your racist, xenophobic, fiscally liberal party that you have wet dreams about.

He is Yeb, because HE is from Mexico.



Roll Eyes Newsflash: Your party can't win presidential elections anymore without doing better among minorities.

Yes, it can. For starters it can win 64-66% of the white vote it got in 1984 and 72. On its way to 70-75% of the white vote. Pandering to minorities will gain the GOP about 1 minority vote for every 2 white votes it loses. How do you think the Dems ended up the way they did in the 70s and 80s? They pandered to blacks and lost more white votes than they gained black votes.

LOL. 70-75% of the White vote? Good luck with that. In case you didn't know: Not all Whites are willing to vote Republican (New England, Pacific Coast, NoVA, etc. etc.). That's a losing strategy for the GOP in presidential election years.

You can see into the 2020s? The same Irish Catholics who voted for JFK over Nixon in 60, voted Nixon in 68 and overwhelmingly Nixon in 72. Those whites dont vote GOP because they arent threatened. Wait until they are.
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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2015, 08:50:34 PM »

Are you actually calling him Yeb because he has an Hispanic wife?

Seriously, leave our party.  Go try to turn the Democrats into your racist, xenophobic, fiscally liberal party that you have wet dreams about.

He is Yeb, because HE is from Mexico.



Roll Eyes Newsflash: Your party can't win presidential elections anymore without doing better among minorities.

Yes, it can. For starters it can win 64-66% of the white vote it got in 1984 and 72. On its way to 70-75% of the white vote. Pandering to minorities will gain the GOP about 1 minority vote for every 2 white votes it loses. How do you think the Dems ended up the way they did in the 70s and 80s? They pandered to blacks and lost more white votes than they gained black votes.

LOL. 70-75% of the White vote? Good luck with that. In case you didn't know: Not all Whites are willing to vote Republican (New England, Pacific Coast, NoVA, etc. etc.). That's a losing strategy for the GOP in presidential election years.

You can see into the 2020s? The same Irish Catholics who voted for JFK over Nixon in 60, voted Nixon in 68 and overwhelmingly Nixon in 72. Those whites dont vote GOP because they arent threatened. Wait until they are.

Threatened by what? Old age? Someone who voted for Kennedy in 1960 will be at least 82 by 2024.
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« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2015, 08:58:19 PM »

Are you actually calling him Yeb because he has an Hispanic wife?

Seriously, leave our party.  Go try to turn the Democrats into your racist, xenophobic, fiscally liberal party that you have wet dreams about.

He is Yeb, because HE is from Mexico.



Roll Eyes Newsflash: Your party can't win presidential elections anymore without doing better among minorities.

Yes, it can. For starters it can win 64-66% of the white vote it got in 1984 and 72. On its way to 70-75% of the white vote. Pandering to minorities will gain the GOP about 1 minority vote for every 2 white votes it loses. How do you think the Dems ended up the way they did in the 70s and 80s? They pandered to blacks and lost more white votes than they gained black votes.

LOL. 70-75% of the White vote? Good luck with that. In case you didn't know: Not all Whites are willing to vote Republican (New England, Pacific Coast, NoVA, etc. etc.). That's a losing strategy for the GOP in presidential election years.

You can see into the 2020s? The same Irish Catholics who voted for JFK over Nixon in 60, voted Nixon in 68 and overwhelmingly Nixon in 72. Those whites dont vote GOP because they arent threatened. Wait until they are.

Threatened by what? Old age? Someone who voted for Kennedy in 1960 will be at least 82 by 2024.

Slavery reparations, demands from hispanics to "get even with whites" for past transgressions, destruction of US history and culture like replacing Jefferson or Jackson on the currency and replacing with some minority that did nothing like Rigoberta Menchu. Just overall minority and immigrant dislike for US history and culture. Minorities dont think the Constitution and Declaration of Independence are documents of freedom. They think they are documents of oppression. Documents of negative rights, not positive rights. Obama has said so himself.

My point isnt about how 1960 voters would vote in 2024 (they be 85 BTW). My point is how people's vote can change rapidly. Irish Catholics would never think of voting for Nixon in 1960, but would only 12 years later never think of NOT voting for him. Something change dramatically that shifted their voting patterns. It can happen again.
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« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2015, 09:05:50 PM »

Are you actually calling him Yeb because he has an Hispanic wife?

Seriously, leave our party.  Go try to turn the Democrats into your racist, xenophobic, fiscally liberal party that you have wet dreams about.

He is Yeb, because HE is from Mexico.



Roll Eyes Newsflash: Your party can't win presidential elections anymore without doing better among minorities.

Yes, it can. For starters it can win 64-66% of the white vote it got in 1984 and 72. On its way to 70-75% of the white vote. Pandering to minorities will gain the GOP about 1 minority vote for every 2 white votes it loses. How do you think the Dems ended up the way they did in the 70s and 80s? They pandered to blacks and lost more white votes than they gained black votes.

LOL. 70-75% of the White vote? Good luck with that. In case you didn't know: Not all Whites are willing to vote Republican (New England, Pacific Coast, NoVA, etc. etc.). That's a losing strategy for the GOP in presidential election years.

You can see into the 2020s? The same Irish Catholics who voted for JFK over Nixon in 60, voted Nixon in 68 and overwhelmingly Nixon in 72. Those whites dont vote GOP because they arent threatened. Wait until they are.

Threatened by what? Old age? Someone who voted for Kennedy in 1960 will be at least 82 by 2024.

Slavery reparations, demands from hispanics to "get even with whites" for past transgressions, destruction of US history and culture like replacing Jefferson or Jackson on the currency and replacing with some minority that did nothing like Rigoberta Menchu. Just overall minority and immigrant dislike for US history and culture. Minorities dont think the Constitution and Declaration of Independence are documents of freedom. They think they are documents of oppression. Documents of negative rights, not positive rights. Obama has said so himself.

My point isnt about how 1960 voters would vote in 2024 (they be 85 BTW). My point is how people's vote can change rapidly. Irish Catholics would never think of voting for Nixon in 1960, but would only 12 years later never think of NOT voting for him. Something change dramatically that shifted their voting patterns. It can happen again.

Please leave our party....You clearly don't believe in conservative principle.
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« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2015, 09:08:49 PM »

So where is my post wrong? You think a more diverse America will be less polarizing?
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« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2015, 09:21:45 PM »

Are you actually calling him Yeb because he has an Hispanic wife?.......

Its not because of that. Al Madrigal called him that on The Daily Show a few months ago also, but it was because Jeb speaks Spanish fluently and pronounces the word "guacamole" as "wakkamole", which I hope is grammatically wrong because it sounds ridiculous.

It was a really funny skit, he called him "El Yebbea" and made him sound like a Mexican Superhero.
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« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2015, 09:25:03 PM »

Can someone fill me in on what calling him Yeb has to do with his wife being Hispanic?  Five minutes of googling has not told me anything.

Yeb has nothing to do with his wife. It has to do with him. He'd prefer it. He says he is bi-cultural and actually called himself hispanic

That doesn't even come close to answering my question.  I want to know what the name/word Yeb has to do with being hispanic.

Have you never heard a Spanish accent before? J makes the Y sound in Spanish, so Jeb becomes Yeb. It's obviously a jab at Bush's bald pandering to latino voters.
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« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2015, 09:34:30 PM »

Are you actually calling him Yeb because he has an Hispanic wife?

Seriously, leave our party.  Go try to turn the Democrats into your racist, xenophobic, fiscally liberal party that you have wet dreams about.

He is Yeb, because HE is from Mexico.



Roll Eyes Newsflash: Your party can't win presidential elections anymore without doing better among minorities.

Yes, it can. For starters it can win 64-66% of the white vote it got in 1984 and 72. On its way to 70-75% of the white vote. Pandering to minorities will gain the GOP about 1 minority vote for every 2 white votes it loses. How do you think the Dems ended up the way they did in the 70s and 80s? They pandered to blacks and lost more white votes than they gained black votes.

LOL. 70-75% of the White vote? Good luck with that. In case you didn't know: Not all Whites are willing to vote Republican (New England, Pacific Coast, NoVA, etc. etc.). That's a losing strategy for the GOP in presidential election years.

You can see into the 2020s? The same Irish Catholics who voted for JFK over Nixon in 60, voted Nixon in 68 and overwhelmingly Nixon in 72. Those whites dont vote GOP because they arent threatened. Wait until they are.

Threatened by what? Old age? Someone who voted for Kennedy in 1960 will be at least 82 by 2024.

Slavery reparations, demands from hispanics to "get even with whites" for past transgressions, destruction of US history and culture like replacing Jefferson or Jackson on the currency and replacing with some minority that did nothing like Rigoberta Menchu. Just overall minority and immigrant dislike for US history and culture. Minorities dont think the Constitution and Declaration of Independence are documents of freedom. They think they are documents of oppression. Documents of negative rights, not positive rights. Obama has said so himself.

My point isnt about how 1960 voters would vote in 2024 (they be 85 BTW). My point is how people's vote can change rapidly. Irish Catholics would never think of voting for Nixon in 1960, but would only 12 years later never think of NOT voting for him. Something change dramatically that shifted their voting patterns. It can happen again.

You really are a disgusting creature.
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« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2015, 10:29:45 PM »

In 2015. Im talking about 2020 and beyond. White identity politics will only grow in the coming decades. Whites after being told they will soon be a minority, will begin acting like minorities. A majority minority Dem party will look an awful lot like the vengeful ANC in South Africa. If the Dem delegates in 2012 booed Israel and God, there is no reason to think by the late 2020s, they wont be singing "Kill The Boer" at the DNC on live TV. Wait until reparations begins to gain more political acceptance. Or Hispanics want some type of autonomy in the SW states.

Go back to FreeRepublic.
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« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2015, 11:35:54 PM »

Are you actually calling him Yeb because he has an Hispanic wife?

Seriously, leave our party.  Go try to turn the Democrats into your racist, xenophobic, fiscally liberal party that you have wet dreams about.

Amen.

He wins the convention (normal, sane).

It will be the most tumultuous GOP convention since 1976.  This is because Jeb's nomination will be perceived as being rammed through in a heavy-handed manner, disregarding the will of the primary electorate.

What WILL be interesting is how Trump will react.  It will be too late for a 3rd party bid, and I don't think Trump is into that.  But there will be a huge intra-party constituency that will be royally angered, and they will not look upon Jeb as the "lesser of two evils".  It will take a lot of "party loyalty" for these folks to go to the polls and actually vote FOR Jeb, even if they won't vote for Hillary until hell freezes over.

Jeb is going to win this nomination because of the party electorate and the convention will go smoothly. Maybe I'm wrong and Rubio or Walker will win. I can promise that Donald Dump and Ted Bumbler Cruz won't be given a microphone at the convention.

If Cruz and Trump are denied talk time at the convention, the GOP will have a revolt on its hands that will cost them the election.  They will be lucky if it doesn't cost them the Senate.

People who are supporting Cruz and Trump now are the reason Republicans didn't win the U.S. Senate in 2010 and 2012. They gave us Sharon Angle in Nevada, Ken Buck in Colorado, Christine O'Donnell in Delaware, Todd Akin in Missouri, and Steve Lonegan in New Jersey in 2013. Luckily in 2014, those who are now supporting Trump and Cruz were unsuccessful during the primaries, and we won the general election and the majority.

In all fairness, Ted Cruz should be allowed to speak at the RNC in 2016. He's a favorite with the tea party and he is a sitting U.S. Senator. But Donald Trump hurts the GOP and the party should do everything it can to distance itself from the cockroach. 

If Donald Trump gets a significant number of delegates to the convention, why should he be denied the opportunity to speak?  Because you don't like him? 

Denying Trump a speaking role in the convention if he's a viable candidate (and especially if he ends up with the most votes in the primaries) will be an insult to the voters who supported Trump.  If the GOP thinks they can just casually blow them off, they deserve to lose the upcoming election.  And the Senate as well.

I don't like Cruz and yet, I think he should speak. It's because Trump hurts the image of the party, he makes everyone believe all Republicans are dumb and hate immigrants. George Bush let Pat Buchanan give his "culture war" speech at the 1992 DNC. What good did it do? We lost by 6 points, and I'm not saying that's the reason, I am suggesting Buchanan hurt the party. Same thing with Trump now.
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« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2015, 08:15:11 AM »

Are you actually calling him Yeb because he has an Hispanic wife?

Seriously, leave our party.  Go try to turn the Democrats into your racist, xenophobic, fiscally liberal party that you have wet dreams about.

Amen.

He wins the convention (normal, sane).

It will be the most tumultuous GOP convention since 1976.  This is because Jeb's nomination will be perceived as being rammed through in a heavy-handed manner, disregarding the will of the primary electorate.

What WILL be interesting is how Trump will react.  It will be too late for a 3rd party bid, and I don't think Trump is into that.  But there will be a huge intra-party constituency that will be royally angered, and they will not look upon Jeb as the "lesser of two evils".  It will take a lot of "party loyalty" for these folks to go to the polls and actually vote FOR Jeb, even if they won't vote for Hillary until hell freezes over.

Jeb is going to win this nomination because of the party electorate and the convention will go smoothly. Maybe I'm wrong and Rubio or Walker will win. I can promise that Donald Dump and Ted Bumbler Cruz won't be given a microphone at the convention.

If Cruz and Trump are denied talk time at the convention, the GOP will have a revolt on its hands that will cost them the election.  They will be lucky if it doesn't cost them the Senate.

People who are supporting Cruz and Trump now are the reason Republicans didn't win the U.S. Senate in 2010 and 2012. They gave us Sharon Angle in Nevada, Ken Buck in Colorado, Christine O'Donnell in Delaware, Todd Akin in Missouri, and Steve Lonegan in New Jersey in 2013. Luckily in 2014, those who are now supporting Trump and Cruz were unsuccessful during the primaries, and we won the general election and the majority.

In all fairness, Ted Cruz should be allowed to speak at the RNC in 2016. He's a favorite with the tea party and he is a sitting U.S. Senator. But Donald Trump hurts the GOP and the party should do everything it can to distance itself from the cockroach. 

If Donald Trump gets a significant number of delegates to the convention, why should he be denied the opportunity to speak?  Because you don't like him? 

Denying Trump a speaking role in the convention if he's a viable candidate (and especially if he ends up with the most votes in the primaries) will be an insult to the voters who supported Trump.  If the GOP thinks they can just casually blow them off, they deserve to lose the upcoming election.  And the Senate as well.

I don't like Cruz and yet, I think he should speak. It's because Trump hurts the image of the party, he makes everyone believe all Republicans are dumb and hate immigrants. George Bush let Pat Buchanan give his "culture war" speech at the 1992 DNC. What good did it do? We lost by 6 points, and I'm not saying that's the reason, I am suggesting Buchanan hurt the party. Same thing with Trump now.

Then have the guts to tell Trump's supporters to leave the party, because they're hurting the party's "brand".

Trump's supporters in the GOP are in the same predicament as Democrats who are liberal on economics but conservative on social issues.  Their respective parties tell them "We want your votes, but we think your favorite candidate is crazy!"  And their favorite candidates are NOT crazy, but they've challenged sacred cows of the party that cause folks to close ranks. 

The GOP's response to Trump's voters is to get real, suck it up, and vote for one of these other fine candidates, even if they are wrong on the particular issues you care about the most.  And, really, why should they suck it up?  For many of these voters, there isn't much difference between electing Jeb and electing Hillary.  There'll be a world of difference for folks in the entourages of those candidates, but not in the lives of rank-and-file voters.  For example:  If Hillary wins, dudeabides won't be able to be appointed Underassistant West Coast Promotion Man for the Assistant Deputy Secretary of the Army.   It'll make a difference for folks in the entourage, but not for the folks outside the entourage. 

Trump's supporters are tired of being marginalized by the GOP and told that Party Regularity Is All.  Let Preppie Jebbie deal with that.
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« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2015, 09:12:49 AM »

Can someone fill me in on what calling him Yeb has to do with his wife being Hispanic?  Five minutes of googling has not told me anything.

Yeb has nothing to do with his wife. It has to do with him. He'd prefer it. He says he is bi-cultural and actually called himself hispanic

That doesn't even come close to answering my question.  I want to know what the name/word Yeb has to do with being hispanic.

Have you never heard a Spanish accent before? J makes the Y sound in Spanish, so Jeb becomes Yeb. It's obviously a jab at Bush's bald pandering to latino voters.

No, J makes the H sound (or something similar, depending on the dialect) in Spanish. However, the letter Y in Spanish is sometimes pronounced like the English Y, and sometimes like the English J, so a Spanish speaker might say "Yeb" instead of "Jeb."

But bobloblaw is obviously a racist. Like most white racists, he overestimates the number of white people who agree with him, and therefore thinks that racism is a winning strategy. He's ignoring the fact that not all white people are racist and most racists already vote Republican, so all the GOP would accomplish by becoming openly racist is drive 100% of minorities away while not gaining any meaningful number of white voters.
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« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2015, 01:23:34 PM »

Not all white people are openly racist or willing to vote Republican.

In 2015. Im talking about 2020 and beyond. White identity politics will only grow in the coming decades. Whites after being told they will soon be a minority, will begin acting like minorities. A majority minority Dem party will look an awful lot like the vengeful ANC in South Africa. If the Dem delegates in 2012 booed Israel and God, there is no reason to think by the late 2020s, they wont be singing "Kill The Boer" at the DNC on live TV. Wait until reparations begins to gain more political acceptance. Or Hispanics want some type of autonomy in the SW states.

George Wallace? Is that you?
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« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2015, 02:10:25 PM »

Are you actually calling him Yeb because he has an Hispanic wife?

Seriously, leave our party.  Go try to turn the Democrats into your racist, xenophobic, fiscally liberal party that you have wet dreams about.

Amen.

He wins the convention (normal, sane).

It will be the most tumultuous GOP convention since 1976.  This is because Jeb's nomination will be perceived as being rammed through in a heavy-handed manner, disregarding the will of the primary electorate.

What WILL be interesting is how Trump will react.  It will be too late for a 3rd party bid, and I don't think Trump is into that.  But there will be a huge intra-party constituency that will be royally angered, and they will not look upon Jeb as the "lesser of two evils".  It will take a lot of "party loyalty" for these folks to go to the polls and actually vote FOR Jeb, even if they won't vote for Hillary until hell freezes over.

Jeb is going to win this nomination because of the party electorate and the convention will go smoothly. Maybe I'm wrong and Rubio or Walker will win. I can promise that Donald Dump and Ted Bumbler Cruz won't be given a microphone at the convention.

If Cruz and Trump are denied talk time at the convention, the GOP will have a revolt on its hands that will cost them the election.  They will be lucky if it doesn't cost them the Senate.

People who are supporting Cruz and Trump now are the reason Republicans didn't win the U.S. Senate in 2010 and 2012. They gave us Sharon Angle in Nevada, Ken Buck in Colorado, Christine O'Donnell in Delaware, Todd Akin in Missouri, and Steve Lonegan in New Jersey in 2013. Luckily in 2014, those who are now supporting Trump and Cruz were unsuccessful during the primaries, and we won the general election and the majority.

In all fairness, Ted Cruz should be allowed to speak at the RNC in 2016. He's a favorite with the tea party and he is a sitting U.S. Senator. But Donald Trump hurts the GOP and the party should do everything it can to distance itself from the cockroach. 

If Donald Trump gets a significant number of delegates to the convention, why should he be denied the opportunity to speak?  Because you don't like him? 

Denying Trump a speaking role in the convention if he's a viable candidate (and especially if he ends up with the most votes in the primaries) will be an insult to the voters who supported Trump.  If the GOP thinks they can just casually blow them off, they deserve to lose the upcoming election.  And the Senate as well.

I don't like Cruz and yet, I think he should speak. It's because Trump hurts the image of the party, he makes everyone believe all Republicans are dumb and hate immigrants. George Bush let Pat Buchanan give his "culture war" speech at the 1992 DNC. What good did it do? We lost by 6 points, and I'm not saying that's the reason, I am suggesting Buchanan hurt the party. Same thing with Trump now.

Then have the guts to tell Trump's supporters to leave the party, because they're hurting the party's "brand".

Trump's supporters in the GOP are in the same predicament as Democrats who are liberal on economics but conservative on social issues.  Their respective parties tell them "We want your votes, but we think your favorite candidate is crazy!"  And their favorite candidates are NOT crazy, but they've challenged sacred cows of the party that cause folks to close ranks. 

The GOP's response to Trump's voters is to get real, suck it up, and vote for one of these other fine candidates, even if they are wrong on the particular issues you care about the most.  And, really, why should they suck it up?  For many of these voters, there isn't much difference between electing Jeb and electing Hillary.  There'll be a world of difference for folks in the entourages of those candidates, but not in the lives of rank-and-file voters.  For example:  If Hillary wins, dudeabides won't be able to be appointed Underassistant West Coast Promotion Man for the Assistant Deputy Secretary of the Army.   It'll make a difference for folks in the entourage, but not for the folks outside the entourage. 

Trump's supporters are tired of being marginalized by the GOP and told that Party Regularity Is All.  Let Preppie Jebbie deal with that.

Trump supporters need to read.

Yes, Trump is crazy, very few people dispute this fact. Also, most Republicans are conservative on economic issues and social issues, though the party is beginning to move towards the center on social issues - especially same-sex marriage. Also, I don't see how supporting someone like Donald Trump who is for public funding of planned parenthood and for domestic partnership rights makes someone a social conservative.

There are virtually no differences between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Both support banning "assault" weapons, government-run health care, higher taxes on business, protectionist trade policies, public funding of planned parenthood, negotiating with terrorists, massive new government spending, and both have been involved in some rather bad investments.

Jeb Bush offers the voters the clearest contrast with Hillary Clinton. He's a Washington outsider with a conservative record, she's a Washington insider with a liberal record. The reason Trump's supporters are being marginalized by the establishment and some conservatives like me isn't because they are a "silent majority" it's because they make the entire GOP look bad with their ignorance of the issues and silly tactics. I oppose Obama's policies because they are reckless and they have failed, I don't go around telling people he was born in Kenya and that John Boehner, while not nearly as effective as I'd like, is an Obama clone.

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