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« on: August 30, 2015, 01:23:56 PM »



Is it all fact? What's NOT shown in those stats? Refute it, agree with it, prove it, respond to this image. Was Obama a super-president?
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2015, 01:25:06 PM »

Not all of it is necessarily his fault, but still it's good for the most part.
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2015, 01:32:32 PM »

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/democratic-blues-121561

The voter disagrees with him.

He has given us health insurance and promised us growth. He has cut taxes and gave resounding speeches against the deficit. He has created jobs and told us it's for the worker.

He has broken his promises, he has spoken without action, and he has created jobs for the 1% at the expense of the 99%. He has stagnated our economy and given us overwhelming foreign failures. We have been abused at the hands of a man whom the world sees as more incompetent and foolish than their former "oppressor" George W. Bush.

While he has given us medical aid, he has broken our backs. He has given us fish for today and killed all other fish for the rest of our lifetime.

I am glad he has provided us with health insurance, but not at the cost of the worker's dignity, hard-work, salary, and self-respect.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2015, 01:38:01 PM »

What is the source of this image?
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2015, 01:41:28 PM »

Those stats are absolutely meaningless without comparison to other economic recoveries. Once you actually bring up those, this recovery becomes the worst, slowest one in American history.
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2015, 01:43:22 PM »

Nice
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2015, 01:43:38 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2015, 01:45:01 PM »

For example, despite the recession officially "ending" 6.5 years ago, household income is still 2k less than it was in 2007. Likewise, labor force participation rate has declined among EVERY demographic and age group EXCEPT those over 55.

Obama will be the first president in a long, long time to never have a year of 3% GDP growth as well. In fact, as of right now, W  has averaged more economic growth than this administration.

You can manipulate stats all you want, but most Americans agree that things are not better. Why do you think a mere 28% of Americans think things are going in the right direction?
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2015, 01:45:18 PM »


LOL foxnews
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2015, 01:46:49 PM »

For example, despite the recession officially "ending" 6.5 years ago, household income is still 2k less than it was in 2007. Likewise, labor force participation rate has declined among EVERY demographic and age group EXCEPT those over 55.

Obama will be the first president in a long, long time to never have a year of 3% GDP growth as well. In fact, as of right now, W  has averaged more economic growth than this administration.

You can manipulate stats all you want, but most Americans agree that things are not better. Why do you think a mere 28% of Americans think things are going in the right direction?

Most Americans agree upon a lot of things that aren't quite true.
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2015, 01:47:54 PM »

I particularly hate these stats because we're counting growth since the beginning of his presidency, which is like, the bottom of a fiery pit. We should not measure growth; we should measure raw numbers. And compared to what's "normal," the indicators don't paint as much of a glowing picture.
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2015, 01:53:44 PM »

Who has more power? Congress or the President?
You can't give the President all the blame or all the credit.
During 6 of 8 years George W Bush had a Republican Congress.
Are Republicans willing to accept blame for all the bad things that happened in those years?
Republicans have not exactly been helpful to Obama during his two terms.
They have pretty much wanted him to fail from day one.
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2015, 01:55:56 PM »

The thing I like least about Fox news is that they can't even admit their own bias.
The more I watch Fox news the less I am inclined to agree with them. They do a far
better job of creating an anti-Fox bias than anybody else.

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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2015, 01:59:15 PM »

For example, despite the recession officially "ending" 6.5 years ago, household income is still 2k less than it was in 2007. Likewise, labor force participation rate has declined among EVERY demographic and age group EXCEPT those over 55.

Obama will be the first president in a long, long time to never have a year of 3% GDP growth as well. In fact, as of right now, W  has averaged more economic growth than this administration.

You can manipulate stats all you want, but most Americans agree that things are not better. Why do you think a mere 28% of Americans think things are going in the right direction?

Most Americans agree upon a lot of things that aren't quite true.

Fewer Americans are in the workforce today than the day the President took office. Incomes are down, home ownership is down, health care costs are up, the national debt is up, corporate welfare is up, the number of people in poverty is up, the deficit is still higher today than it was in 2009, the only areas where we are better off is energy costs are coming down and the stock market is doing well, the stock market primarily benefits the wealthy.
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2015, 02:03:03 PM »

Those stats are absolutely meaningless without comparison to other economic recoveries. Once you actually bring up those, this recovery becomes the worst, slowest one in American history.
While compared to previous economic recoveries, this one does seem poor.  However, if you compare it to the current economic recoveries in other countries, the US has done very well.  Most of developed world is struggling much more than the US is.
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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2015, 02:04:58 PM »

If the government would cut the defense budget, the deficit would go down. Republicans, generally, don't want to do that. They want to increase defense spending.
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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2015, 02:07:03 PM »

That's a fair point. I actually think the very very weak recoveries abroad is what will cause our next economic downturn.

Some folks are already sounding the alarm on the worrisome decline in global trade in 2015. I have friends in trucking and transportation and they claim they are usually the ones who notice downturns before anyone else. Needless to say, they are noticing a decline right now.
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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2015, 02:23:36 PM »
« Edited: August 30, 2015, 02:49:07 PM by SMilo »

Those stats are absolutely meaningless without comparison to other economic recoveries. Once you actually bring up those, this recovery becomes the worst, slowest one in American history.

I actually think the very very weak recoveries abroad is what will cause our next economic downturn.

These were posted in the same thread. Is this real? America has recovered better than anyone because we didn't accept idiotic austerity measures in a deep recession (flat out crushing the Fox Business graphic). This has been a fantastic recovery given the global circumstances, and no one can paint it otherwise. Comparing it to past incidents is very unfair. Unless you want to compare it to how good FDR managed, then please proceed singing the praises of Keynes. The only serious point on the Fox graphic is one that directly contradicts a point in the initial graphic. Have at that what you will. Someone is wrong. The labor market is much improved by most measures though. The last point in Kingpoleon's post is a despicable and baseless qualitative assessment ftr.

Foodstamps are up. That is a good thing. More have access to basic essentials who need it. Home ownership is flat - not everyone needs to own a home. That Clinton and Bush presidencies caused a massive bubble of unqualified owners - Andrew Cuomo being most at fault. We're back around where we should be. Perhaps the is a policy goal we can look towards in the future, but I don't think it is something realistic to accomplish now in the post-recession years - especially combined with all the buzz of urbanisation.

Obama has magnificently guided us through this era in a way everyone else has failed.

Though he deserves no credit on the market indices. Share buybacks are good for the shareholders of course, but they don't indicate much for the health of the greater economy. Otherwise, yes, this presidency has been pretty dang awesome. Absolutely historic.

What happened to all those conservatives begging for energy independence as the center of their platform 5-10 years ago. Lol.
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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2015, 02:34:12 PM »


Are you disputing any of the numbers?
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« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2015, 02:35:40 PM »


Do you have anything of substance to add?
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« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2015, 02:41:02 PM »

Of course the labor force participation rate has declined dudeabides...the baby boomers are retiring.
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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2015, 03:04:47 PM »

Things are slightly better, yes. We have the market (and to a limited degree-certainly in healthcare, though the jury is still somewhat out on that, Obama) to thank for that. But a mediocre economy over a recession isn't enough to make President Obama a great President.

For example, despite the recession officially "ending" 6.5 years ago, household income is still 2k less than it was in 2007. Likewise, labor force participation rate has declined among EVERY demographic and age group EXCEPT those over 55.

Obama will be the first president in a long, long time to never have a year of 3% GDP growth as well. In fact, as of right now, W  has averaged more economic growth than this administration.

You can manipulate stats all you want, but most Americans agree that things are not better. Why do you think a mere 28% of Americans think things are going in the right direction?

Most Americans agree upon a lot of things that aren't quite true.
Tell me, oh wise one, what is the truth since you apparently are the arbitrator of it?
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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2015, 03:15:51 PM »

The unskewed numbers say otherwise and those are all that count. The country is in much worse shape than it was before Obama was President.
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« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2015, 03:32:22 PM »

The Obama Recovery is even more impressive when placed into context. The Republicans eviscerated business confidence with their government shutdowns and led America's first credit downgrading in its history, blocked countless stimulatory measures, fought to expand the deficit with unnecessary tax breaks for the rich, and have done so much more damage. The Recovery in large part came about in spite of the Republicans trying to crash the economy for their own political gain.
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« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2015, 03:33:04 PM »


I'd dispute the 2nd and 3rd. There's no way they're worse than January 2009.
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