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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2015, 10:57:56 AM »

You guys putting up a fuss here do realize that the state of Alaksa already re-named this mountain Denali in 1975, right?
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« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2015, 11:37:51 AM »

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« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2015, 12:24:40 PM »
« Edited: August 31, 2015, 11:31:47 PM by Green Line »

McKinley helped make us the great nation we are today and liberated the Caribbean. Sad.
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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2015, 12:45:46 PM »

Funny how the party that supposedly supports "state's rights" is mad that the feds are finally acknowledging Alaska's name for the mountain. Anti-Obamism trumps coherent ideology once again.
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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2015, 01:15:55 PM »

If the renaming was being blocked by Ohioans in Congress, how is Obama legally permitted to do this?

This is what I am wondering too. 

If Trump became President, he really could just start naming mountains and other natural features after himself?  I thought that was just a joke.
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« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2015, 01:27:50 PM »

McKinley helped made us the great nation we are today and liberated the Caribbean. Sad.

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« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2015, 01:43:57 PM »

Build a bridge and get over it. Obama is not being racist towards whites nor is he being too PC (which is way overused, by the way). Native Americans were here first, so why shouldn't the mountain revert back to what it was named before?
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« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2015, 02:02:12 PM »

President McKinley's policies were garbage, and he doesn't deserve an awesome mountain
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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2015, 02:18:48 PM »

McKinley helped made us the great nation we are today and liberated the Caribbean. Sad.

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« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2015, 03:21:25 PM »

Build a bridge and get over it. Obama is not being racist towards whites nor is he being too PC (which is way overused, by the way). Native Americans were here first, so why shouldn't the mountain revert back to what it was named before?

Because the original name sounds f***ing sh**te?

Light hearted jokes aside, if you follow this through to it's logical conclusion, everything in the US that originally had a Native American name that has since been renamed should revert back to the original Native American name.
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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2015, 03:28:46 PM »

More than half US states have Native American names, and many many more cities and counties and what have you.  I don't think anybody is suggesting every place (or any other places for that matter) have their names changed, I really don't see what the big deal is here.
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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2015, 03:43:55 PM »

More than half US states have Native American names, and many many more cities and counties and what have you.  I don't think anybody is suggesting every place (or any other places for that matter) have their names changed, I really don't see what the big deal is here.

Because some whites are committed to the whitewashing of American history and culture. Change is scary, you see.

Denali is more badass than McKinley anyway.
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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2015, 05:21:32 PM »

While we're at it, he should go after other familiar landmarks and give them back their proper native names, like the following:

Mt. Rainier -Mt. Tacoma/Tahoma/Talol

Mt. Baker -Mt. Kulshan

Mount St. Helens -Mt. Lawetlat'la/Loowit

Mt. Hood -Mt. Wy'east

Blue Ridge Mountains -Quirank/Ahkonshuck

Teton Range (or Grand Tetons) -Teewinot

Lake Superior -Lake Gichi Gumi
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« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2015, 05:25:34 PM »

While we're at it, he should go after other familiar landmarks and give them back their proper native names, like the following:

Mt. Rainier -Mt. Tacoma/Tahoma/Talol

Mt. Baker -Mt. Kulshan

Mount St. Helens -Mt. Lawetlat'la/Loowit

Mt. Hood -Mt. Wy'east

Blue Ridge Mountains -Quirank/Ahkonshuck

Teton Range (or Grand Tetons) -Teewinot

Lake Superior -Lake Gichi Gumi


I don't think the average american can pronounce half of those.
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« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2015, 05:26:23 PM »

People can't even spell Connecticut.

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« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2015, 05:30:12 PM »

While we're at it, he should go after other familiar landmarks and give them back their proper native names, like the following:

Mt. Rainier -Mt. Tacoma/Tahoma/Talol

Mt. Baker -Mt. Kulshan

Mount St. Helens -Mt. Lawetlat'la/Loowit

Mt. Hood -Mt. Wy'east

Blue Ridge Mountains -Quirank/Ahkonshuck

Teton Range (or Grand Tetons) -Teewinot

Lake Superior -Lake Gichi Gumi

The difference is than no one uses those names, while pretty much everyone in Alaska uses Denali since a few decades.
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« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2015, 05:48:13 PM »

I refuse to let you people eff with the Great Lakes.
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« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2015, 06:19:01 PM »

I refuse to let you people eff with the Great Lakes.

The white tears would be delicious.
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« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2015, 06:51:12 PM »

President Obama to restore Mt. McKinley's name to Denali on visit to Alaska (it's the highest mountain in North America, Denali is its native name, meaning "the High One.")

Apparently Alaska changed its name back to Denali officially decades ago, but politicians in Ohio have been blocking the federal government from doing the same ever since. Why Ohio? Because it's named after Ohio politician William McKinley when its discoverer found out he won the Republican nomination in 1896 (he went on to become President).

It was first "discovered" (as in seen by a white guy) by George Vancouver in the 1790s, but he failed to name it.

The Russians started out calling it Tenada (after Dengadha, the same word as Denali in a different Athabaskan language) in 1839 and later translated it as Bolshaya Gora (big mountain). After Anglophones arrived in larger numbers it was unofficially known as Densmore's Peak after some prospector named Frank Densmore in the 1890s, but it never caught on and Denali prevailed.

So most white Alaskans have used either Denali or a version of it ever since 1839, and called it Denali consistently since the gold rush era, while Mt. McKinley has always been a foreign name. Which makes Denali both the native and the paleface name.

If Denali was too "native" you should have done as the Ruskis and called it "Great Mountain" or "The High One" or something, or stayed with Densmore's Peak, since he at least climbed it, but you didn't, and Denali perservered, so Denali it is and Mt. McKinley belongs in the dustbin of history. If a name doesn't win after having the backing of the government for a 100 years, it is a loser name and doesn't deserve to survive.
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« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2015, 06:57:37 PM »

This sort of thing is the political genius of Barack Obama. He finds a largely meaningless cause that the majority of Americans will support if attention is drawn to it, and then implements it via executive order even though there is some obscure law passed by Congress stating otherwise. It's a great move for him because he's able to get the Republicans to get mad at him for making a popular decision. Plus, no one in their right mind would sue over this. I disagree dramatically with most of what the man stands for, but I must admire just how good he is at what he does!
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« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2015, 07:12:11 PM »

This kind of revisionism out of PC sentiments is generally utter nonsense. I have no reason to assume it's different in this case.

Okay, but why should it remain Mt. McKinley when the majority of Alaskans (including the Natives) want it to be Denali?
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« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2015, 07:12:50 PM »

This sort of thing is the political genius of Barack Obama. He finds a largely meaningless cause that the majority of Americans will support if attention is drawn to it, and then implements it via executive order even though there is some obscure law passed by Congress stating otherwise. It's a great move for him because he's able to get the Republicans to get mad at him for making a popular decision. Plus, no one in their right mind would sue over this. I disagree dramatically with most of what the man stands for, but I must admire just how good he is at what he does!

What law? There was no law naming the mountain. You should read this to get the full backstory.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/31/1417078/-How-one-Ohio-Republican-kept-Alaskans-from-correcting-Denali-s-name-for-decades
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« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2015, 07:17:28 PM »

This kind of revisionism out of PC sentiments is generally utter nonsense. I have no reason to assume it's different in this case.

Okay, but why should it remain Mt. McKinley when the majority of Alaskans (including the Natives) want it to be Denali?

Because white tradition ought be preserved, especially when it whitewashes cultures!
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« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2015, 07:28:51 PM »

Karl Rove pointed out that if not for McKinney's annexing Hawaii in 1898, Barack Obama would never have become President.

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« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2015, 07:32:40 PM »

I refuse to let you people eff with the Great Lakes.

 
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