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« Reply #75 on: September 01, 2015, 05:44:55 PM »

To be fair, I still don't really see why Obama can do this now when Ohio's congressional delegation was able to prevent it before.

I still don't really see how Ohio's congressional delegation was able to prevent it at all.

If you read the link I posted, there is an obscure law that mentions that the name of a geographical feature can't be changed by the board responsible for these changes as long there is pending legislation in congress. The Ohio Republicans always had some legislation pending without ever acting on it.
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« Reply #76 on: September 01, 2015, 08:05:05 PM »

Sorry Obama, you don't have the right to change the name of a national landmark. That right belongs to Congress.



Yeah, but Alaska, where the mountain is actually located, actually wants it to change. So what right does Congress have to tell them that they have to accept a different name for their mountain?
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« Reply #77 on: September 01, 2015, 08:16:09 PM »

Funny how the party that supposedly supports "state's rights" is mad that the feds are finally acknowledging Alaska's name for the mountain. Anti-Obamism trumps coherent ideology once again.

This is hardly a party thing.  Many Alaska Republicans were the ones fighting to change it, including Murkowski, who just praised the President.  It's not exactly shocking that OHIO REPUBLICANS would object to what they see as trying to erase McKinley.

I'm talking regular Joes, both here and out there in the nation, not specific politicians. Right-wing media outlets have whipped up a lot of people over this -- people who would normally support states' rights, but this time don't because Obama did it.
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« Reply #78 on: September 01, 2015, 08:53:39 PM »
« Edited: September 01, 2015, 08:55:58 PM by Senator Polnut »

Who.
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We did the same thing with Indigenous landmarks - Ayers Rock became Uluru, The Devil's Marbles became Karlu Karlu, Mt Olga became Kata Tjuta and in Sydney the area known as the Hungry Mile was renamed Barangaroo. People can still call them whatever they want, but at an official level, that is what they're called.

It's respectful of the existing culture and eventually, people will stop caring.
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« Reply #79 on: September 01, 2015, 09:19:04 PM »

I assure you no one in Ohio actually cares, except apparently our congressional delegation.
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« Reply #80 on: September 02, 2015, 07:38:13 AM »

GOP should shut down the government over this! Under President Trump, it will be renamed Benghazi, so that we may never forget the slain Americans.
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« Reply #81 on: September 02, 2015, 02:12:05 PM »
« Edited: September 02, 2015, 02:15:17 PM by Cassius »

Who.
Gives.
A.
F***?

We did the same thing with Indigenous landmarks - Ayers Rock became Uluru, The Devil's Marbles became Karlu Karlu, Mt Olga became Kata Tjuta and in Sydney the area known as the Hungry Mile was renamed Barangaroo. People can still call them whatever they want, but at an official level, that is what they're called.

It's respectful of the existing culture and eventually, people will stop caring.

As we all know, European settlers and their descendants don't have culture.
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« Reply #82 on: September 02, 2015, 10:13:11 PM »

Yeah, white people are basically without culture.
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« Reply #83 on: September 02, 2015, 11:07:12 PM »

Yeah, white people are basically without culture.

"There's no such thing as white culture" he said, posting on the internet bulletin board.
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« Reply #84 on: September 03, 2015, 01:47:18 AM »

Who.
Gives.
A.
F***?

We did the same thing with Indigenous landmarks - Ayers Rock became Uluru, The Devil's Marbles became Karlu Karlu, Mt Olga became Kata Tjuta and in Sydney the area known as the Hungry Mile was renamed Barangaroo. People can still call them whatever they want, but at an official level, that is what they're called.

It's respectful of the existing culture and eventually, people will stop caring.

As we all know, European settlers and their descendants don't have culture.

European settlers, that is, white Americans are considered the default culture in the US. For example, Paul Revere is considered a "need to know" part of American history, while Crispus Attucks is not. Yes, there's the coverage of slavery, a bit of Reconstruction (and Frederick Douglass), and Civil Rights, but compare that to the fact that white American historical viewpoints are considered vital to know, while non-white viewpoints are not.
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« Reply #85 on: September 03, 2015, 01:51:59 AM »

Yeah, white people are basically without culture.

"There's no such thing as white culture" he said, posting on the internet bulletin board.

A bland political bulletin board is a pretty good representation of white culture honestly.
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« Reply #86 on: September 03, 2015, 06:23:38 AM »

Yeah, white people are basically without culture.

"There's no such thing as white culture" he said, posting on the internet bulletin board.
In English, in September, on a Tuesday.  Though maybe Xahar uses Dhu al-Qi'dah and Monggolbar?  (why yes, I did look that up)
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« Reply #87 on: September 03, 2015, 07:05:14 AM »

Who.
Gives.
A.
F***?

We did the same thing with Indigenous landmarks - Ayers Rock became Uluru, The Devil's Marbles became Karlu Karlu, Mt Olga became Kata Tjuta and in Sydney the area known as the Hungry Mile was renamed Barangaroo. People can still call them whatever they want, but at an official level, that is what they're called.

It's respectful of the existing culture and eventually, people will stop caring.

As we all know, European settlers and their descendants don't have culture.

Um, of course they do. But they don't trump the culture that was there first and the culture that places a lot more and deeper importance than "oh, it's so pretty".
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« Reply #88 on: September 03, 2015, 09:53:07 AM »

And Atlas had yet to discover that thing called culture.
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« Reply #89 on: September 03, 2015, 10:14:54 AM »

It's a nice gesture, of course, but it certainly doesn't even begin to make up for everything else the United States government has done to Indians over the past two centuries of its existence.
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« Reply #90 on: September 03, 2015, 10:32:27 AM »

Yeah, white people are basically without culture.

"There's no such thing as white culture" he said, posting on the internet bulletin board.
In English, in September, on a Tuesday.  Though maybe Xahar uses Dhu al-Qi'dah and Monggolbar?  (why yes, I did look that up)

Don't be absurd, I don't use the Islamic calendar for non-liturgical purposes. The month right now is ভাদ্র.
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« Reply #91 on: September 03, 2015, 02:10:53 PM »

Who.
Gives.
A.
F***?

We did the same thing with Indigenous landmarks - Ayers Rock became Uluru, The Devil's Marbles became Karlu Karlu, Mt Olga became Kata Tjuta and in Sydney the area known as the Hungry Mile was renamed Barangaroo. People can still call them whatever they want, but at an official level, that is what they're called.

It's respectful of the existing culture and eventually, people will stop caring.

As we all know, European settlers and their descendants don't have culture.

"White" =/= individual cultures of Europe
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« Reply #92 on: September 03, 2015, 07:02:24 PM »

Who.
Gives.
A.
F***?

We did the same thing with Indigenous landmarks - Ayers Rock became Uluru, The Devil's Marbles became Karlu Karlu, Mt Olga became Kata Tjuta and in Sydney the area known as the Hungry Mile was renamed Barangaroo. People can still call them whatever they want, but at an official level, that is what they're called.

It's respectful of the existing culture and eventually, people will stop caring.

As we all know, European settlers and their descendants don't have culture.

Um, of course they do. But they don't trump the culture that was there first and the culture that places a lot more and deeper importance than "oh, it's so pretty".

Why not? There are considerably more of them, and it's a bit silly to boil all of the European place name down to 'oh that's so pretty'. The Hungry Mile is, of course, associated with it's history as a dock, whilst Ayers Rock was named in honour of a five time Premier of South Australia. These aren't just some random names, they have historical significance. Why should they be shunted to second place simply because of relatively small percentage of the population happened to have ancestors living their before the ancestors of the people who renamed (well, in some cases originally named) these places?

Who.
Gives.
A.
F***?

We did the same thing with Indigenous landmarks - Ayers Rock became Uluru, The Devil's Marbles became Karlu Karlu, Mt Olga became Kata Tjuta and in Sydney the area known as the Hungry Mile was renamed Barangaroo. People can still call them whatever they want, but at an official level, that is what they're called.

It's respectful of the existing culture and eventually, people will stop caring.

As we all know, European settlers and their descendants don't have culture.

"White" =/= individual cultures of Europe

Um, what exactly are you getting at here? I've never claimed that there was such a thing as 'white culture', I simply made the point that I find it somewhat strange to elevate 'Aboriginal' culture above Anglo-Australian or Irish-Australian culture simply because their ancestors happened to wash u on that continent first.
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« Reply #93 on: September 03, 2015, 09:11:07 PM »

Yeah, white people are basically without culture.

"There's no such thing as white culture" he said, posting on the internet bulletin board.
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« Reply #94 on: September 03, 2015, 09:28:04 PM »

Yeah, white people are basically without culture.

"There's no such thing as white culture" he said, posting on the internet bulletin board.


It's quite ironic that you posted that while you're in Italy of all places...
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« Reply #95 on: September 03, 2015, 10:50:05 PM »

Yeah, white people are basically without culture.

"There's no such thing as white culture" he said, posting on the internet bulletin board.


It's quite ironic that you posted that while you're in Italy of all places...
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/joke
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« Reply #96 on: September 03, 2015, 11:28:08 PM »

I assure you no one in Ohio actually cares, except apparently our congressional delegation.
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« Reply #97 on: September 03, 2015, 11:34:31 PM »

Sorry Obama, you don't have the right to change the name of a national landmark. That right belongs to Congress.



I thought you liked state's rights though.

I do. I also support the Alaskan government joining forces with congress to take this out of Obama's power grabbing hands.
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« Reply #98 on: September 04, 2015, 12:24:59 AM »

Sorry Obama, you don't have the right to change the name of a national landmark. That right belongs to Congress.



I thought you liked state's rights though.

I do. I also support the Alaskan government joining forces with congress to take this out of Obama's power grabbing hands.

The Alaskan governmnt fully supports Obama's action.

You haven't bothered reading any of these linked articles, have you?
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« Reply #99 on: September 04, 2015, 12:51:02 AM »

Sorry Obama, you don't have the right to change the name of a national landmark. That right belongs to Congress.



I thought you liked state's rights though.

I do. I also support the Alaskan government joining forces with congress to take this out of Obama's power grabbing hands.
This post makes no sense.  Do try and keep up.  Alaska, in 1975, changed the name to Denali.  The Feds wanted to as well, but douchenozzles in Ohio played games for the past 40 years.  Obama, FULLY IN HIS RIGHTS, fixed it.  This isn't an overreach of Obama, this is common sense and should have been done a long freaking time ago.  Kneejerk reactions to anything the other side does isn't good.  Sometimes they're right.
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