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« on: August 31, 2015, 10:36:27 PM »

Why in the world do you support this loser? Granted, it is fewer and fewer of you each day.
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2015, 10:48:04 PM »

1. His record in the private sector and as Governor of Florida
- With a partner, established a company that became the largest full-service commercial real estate firm in South Florida
- Reduced taxes by $19 billion
- Reduced the size of state government by 11% and privatized agencies and services
- Enacted tort reform
- Enacted medicaid reform with more choices including private options
- Enacted the nation's first statewide school voucher program
- Ended social promotion in third grade
- Supported opportunity scholarships
- Signed "Stand Your Ground" into law along with 11 other NRA-backed gun laws
- Ended partial-birth abortion
- Eliminated civil service protections to reward effective workers but fire incompetent ones
- Presided over a credit upgrade, the creation of more jobs than any state in America, and 4.4% growth in Florida's economy

2. His vision
- Lower tax rates with fewer deductions and loopholes
- A balanced budget constitutional amendment
- Paul Ryan's constitutional line-item veto
- A strong national defense without policing the world
- Entitlement reform
- Immigration reform with a pathway to legal status, a guest worker program, and e-verify with a secure border and an end to sanctuary cities
- Repeal of Obamacare
- Embracing the energy revolution
- State's rights

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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2015, 10:51:01 PM »

1. His record in the private sector and as Governor of Florida
- With a partner, established a company that became the largest full-service commercial real estate firm in South Florida
- Reduced taxes by $19 billion
- Reduced the size of state government by 11% and privatized agencies and services
- Enacted tort reform
- Enacted medicaid reform with more choices including private options
- Enacted the nation's first statewide school voucher program
- Ended social promotion in third grade
- Supported opportunity scholarships
- Signed "Stand Your Ground" into law along with 11 other NRA-backed gun laws
- Ended partial-birth abortion
- Eliminated civil service protections to reward effective workers but fire incompetent ones
- Presided over a credit upgrade, the creation of more jobs than any state in America, and 4.4% growth in Florida's economy

2. His vision
- Lower tax rates with fewer deductions and loopholes
- A balanced budget constitutional amendment
- Paul Ryan's constitutional line-item veto
- A strong national defense without policing the world
- Entitlement reform
- Immigration reform with a pathway to legal status, a guest worker program, and e-verify with a secure border and an end to sanctuary cities
- Repeal of Obamacare
- Embracing the energy revolution
- State's rights



But his name outweighs any of that. Kasich is the better candidate.
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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2015, 11:30:40 PM »

Why Jeb Bush is just squeezing by as my current #1 for GOP nomination:

1) Most presidential, by the strongest longshot there could possibly be. He has a warming smile, the "guy-you-would-have-a-beer-with" effect of dub'ya, charismatic, doesn't sound like a dits day in and day out, and sounds sincere in his talk.

2) Strongest record among all GOP candidates, easily. This is obviously important.

3) Isn't a complete loon. Speaks what's reasonable, won't make the party a laughing stock in the GE.

4) Will reach out to minorities. Only candidates who I truly believe will bring out minority turnout further for the GOP is Kasich Bush & Rubio as of right now.

5) Genuine executive experience.

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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2015, 11:36:26 PM »

Why in the world do you support this loser? Granted, it is fewer and fewer of you each day.

And you do this just because you love dudeabides prose, and crave savoring it, again and again, and thus must nurture it, as if seeding clouds to generate rain - a rain of words. Just admit that, and I will forgive.
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2015, 11:46:46 PM »


Fixed that for you.
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2015, 01:51:07 AM »


LOL keep it PG lol jk.
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2015, 01:56:15 AM »



Why go for an emasculated babyman when you can have TRUMP?
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2015, 06:34:45 AM »

1. His record in the private sector and as Governor of Florida
- With a partner, established a company that became the largest full-service commercial real estate firm in South Florida
- Reduced taxes by $19 billion
- Reduced the size of state government by 11% and privatized agencies and services
- Enacted tort reform
- Enacted medicaid reform with more choices including private options
- Enacted the nation's first statewide school voucher program
- Ended social promotion in third grade
- Supported opportunity scholarships
- Signed "Stand Your Ground" into law along with 11 other NRA-backed gun laws
- Ended partial-birth abortion
- Eliminated civil service protections to reward effective workers but fire incompetent ones
- Presided over a credit upgrade, the creation of more jobs than any state in America, and 4.4% growth in Florida's economy

2. His vision
- Lower tax rates with fewer deductions and loopholes
- A balanced budget constitutional amendment
- Paul Ryan's constitutional line-item veto
- A strong national defense without policing the world
- Entitlement reform
- Immigration reform with a pathway to legal status, a guest worker program, and e-verify with a secure border and an end to sanctuary cities
- Repeal of Obamacare
- Embracing the energy revolution
- State's rights



But his name outweighs any of that. Kasich is the better candidate.

Kasich is a wimp who is fine with Roe V. Wade and used his religion to justify expanding medicaid under Obamacare, no thanks.
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2015, 07:05:22 AM »

.... Fine with abortion? "It is the law of the land... Until we end it."

As for Medicaid, it's idiotic not to take it. The only real problem with ObamaCare is the individual mandate.
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2015, 11:42:36 AM »

.... Fine with abortion? "It is the law of the land... Until we end it."

As for Medicaid, it's idiotic not to take it. The only real problem with ObamaCare is the individual mandate.


Just wait until the federal money runs out.
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2015, 01:00:16 PM »

.... Fine with abortion? "It is the law of the land... Until we end it."

As for Medicaid, it's idiotic not to take it. The only real problem with ObamaCare is the individual mandate.


Just wait until the federal money runs out.

It won't run out, they'll just print more.
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2015, 01:17:26 PM »

1. His record in the private sector and as Governor of Florida
- With a partner, established a company that became the largest full-service commercial real estate firm in South Florida
- Reduced taxes by $19 billion
- Reduced the size of state government by 11% and privatized agencies and services
- Enacted tort reform
- Enacted medicaid reform with more choices including private options
- Enacted the nation's first statewide school voucher program
- Ended social promotion in third grade
- Supported opportunity scholarships
- Signed "Stand Your Ground" into law along with 11 other NRA-backed gun laws
- Ended partial-birth abortion
- Eliminated civil service protections to reward effective workers but fire incompetent ones
- Presided over a credit upgrade, the creation of more jobs than any state in America, and 4.4% growth in Florida's economy

2. His vision
- Lower tax rates with fewer deductions and loopholes
- A balanced budget constitutional amendment
- Paul Ryan's constitutional line-item veto
- A strong national defense without policing the world
- Entitlement reform
- Immigration reform with a pathway to legal status, a guest worker program, and e-verify with a secure border and an end to sanctuary cities
- Repeal of Obamacare
- Embracing the energy revolution
- State's rights



But his name outweighs any of that. Kasich is the better candidate.

Kasich is a wimp who is fine with Roe V. Wade and used his religion to justify expanding medicaid under Obamacare, no thanks.

Jeb is the ultimate beta male (and beta males do not have a good track record winning Presidential elections), so it's pretty ironic for a Jeb supporter to call any of the other candidates "wimps."
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2015, 01:22:47 PM »

1. His record in the private sector and as Governor of Florida
- With a partner, established a company that became the largest full-service commercial real estate firm in South Florida
- Reduced taxes by $19 billion
- Reduced the size of state government by 11% and privatized agencies and services
- Enacted tort reform
- Enacted medicaid reform with more choices including private options
- Enacted the nation's first statewide school voucher program
- Ended social promotion in third grade
- Supported opportunity scholarships
- Signed "Stand Your Ground" into law along with 11 other NRA-backed gun laws
- Ended partial-birth abortion
- Eliminated civil service protections to reward effective workers but fire incompetent ones
- Presided over a credit upgrade, the creation of more jobs than any state in America, and 4.4% growth in Florida's economy

2. His vision
- Lower tax rates with fewer deductions and loopholes
- A balanced budget constitutional amendment
- Paul Ryan's constitutional line-item veto
- A strong national defense without policing the world
- Entitlement reform
- Immigration reform with a pathway to legal status, a guest worker program, and e-verify with a secure border and an end to sanctuary cities
- Repeal of Obamacare
- Embracing the energy revolution
- State's rights



But his name outweighs any of that. Kasich is the better candidate.

Kasich is a wimp who is fine with Roe V. Wade and used his religion to justify expanding medicaid under Obamacare, no thanks.

Jeb is the ultimate beta male (and beta males do not have a good track record winning Presidential elections), so it's pretty ironic for a Jeb supporter to call any of the other candidates "wimps."

There is nothing wrong with being a compassionate male, I don't think there is anything wrong with men showing their heart. That goes for Jeb Bush, John Kasich, and every male in this society.

That being said, Jeb Bush has stood up for conservative principles even under political pressure. Under pressure, John Kasich caved to the liberals and now justifies doing so by using is faith to justify expanding the welfare state. If John Kasich couldn't stand up for fiscal responsibility and sound policy on medicaid, if he takes the Supreme Court as gospel, how can we expect him to stand up for ordinary Americans who are struggling because of big government?
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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2015, 09:30:48 PM »

1. His record in the private sector and as Governor of Florida
- With a partner, established a company that became the largest full-service commercial real estate firm in South Florida
- Reduced taxes by $19 billion
- Reduced the size of state government by 11% and privatized agencies and services
- Enacted tort reform
- Enacted medicaid reform with more choices including private options
- Enacted the nation's first statewide school voucher program
- Ended social promotion in third grade
- Supported opportunity scholarships
- Signed "Stand Your Ground" into law along with 11 other NRA-backed gun laws
- Ended partial-birth abortion
- Eliminated civil service protections to reward effective workers but fire incompetent ones
- Presided over a credit upgrade, the creation of more jobs than any state in America, and 4.4% growth in Florida's economy

2. His vision
- Lower tax rates with fewer deductions and loopholes
- A balanced budget constitutional amendment
- Paul Ryan's constitutional line-item veto
- A strong national defense without policing the world
- Entitlement reform
- Immigration reform with a pathway to legal status, a guest worker program, and e-verify with a secure border and an end to sanctuary cities
- Repeal of Obamacare
- Embracing the energy revolution
- State's rights



But his name outweighs any of that. Kasich is the better candidate.

Kasich is a wimp who is fine with Roe V. Wade and used his religion to justify expanding medicaid under Obamacare, no thanks.

Jeb is the ultimate beta male (and beta males do not have a good track record winning Presidential elections), so it's pretty ironic for a Jeb supporter to call any of the other candidates "wimps."

There is nothing wrong with being a compassionate male, I don't think there is anything wrong with men showing their heart. That goes for Jeb Bush, John Kasich, and every male in this society.

That being said, Jeb Bush has stood up for conservative principles even under political pressure. Under pressure, John Kasich caved to the liberals and now justifies doing so by using is faith to justify expanding the welfare state. If John Kasich couldn't stand up for fiscal responsibility and sound policy on medicaid, if he takes the Supreme Court as gospel, how can we expect him to stand up for ordinary Americans who are struggling because of big government?

Kasich was correct on Medicaid; failing to accept expanded Medicaid has caused many states to experience funding problems with hospitals, particularly many rural hospitals.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/08/01/336907606/a-conservative-mayor-fights-to-expand-medicaid-in-north-carolina

Jeb doesn't care.  His "cost containment" plan just means that the uninsured will be short the ability to afford healthcare by a lesser margin. 
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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2015, 09:35:07 PM »

Better than most of the other GOPsies...
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« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2015, 10:41:07 PM »

1. His record in the private sector and as Governor of Florida
- With a partner, established a company that became the largest full-service commercial real estate firm in South Florida
- Reduced taxes by $19 billion
- Reduced the size of state government by 11% and privatized agencies and services
- Enacted tort reform
- Enacted medicaid reform with more choices including private options
- Enacted the nation's first statewide school voucher program
- Ended social promotion in third grade
- Supported opportunity scholarships
- Signed "Stand Your Ground" into law along with 11 other NRA-backed gun laws
- Ended partial-birth abortion
- Eliminated civil service protections to reward effective workers but fire incompetent ones
- Presided over a credit upgrade, the creation of more jobs than any state in America, and 4.4% growth in Florida's economy

2. His vision
- Lower tax rates with fewer deductions and loopholes
- A balanced budget constitutional amendment
- Paul Ryan's constitutional line-item veto
- A strong national defense without policing the world
- Entitlement reform
- Immigration reform with a pathway to legal status, a guest worker program, and e-verify with a secure border and an end to sanctuary cities
- Repeal of Obamacare
- Embracing the energy revolution
- State's rights



But his name outweighs any of that. Kasich is the better candidate.

Kasich is a wimp who is fine with Roe V. Wade and used his religion to justify expanding medicaid under Obamacare, no thanks.

Yeah, it's unfortunate that Kasich committed the Republican cardinal sins: caring about women's bodily autonomy and caring for the downtrodden.
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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2015, 11:15:09 PM »

1. His record in the private sector and as Governor of Florida
- With a partner, established a company that became the largest full-service commercial real estate firm in South Florida
- Reduced taxes by $19 billion
- Reduced the size of state government by 11% and privatized agencies and services
- Enacted tort reform
- Enacted medicaid reform with more choices including private options
- Enacted the nation's first statewide school voucher program
- Ended social promotion in third grade
- Supported opportunity scholarships
- Signed "Stand Your Ground" into law along with 11 other NRA-backed gun laws
- Ended partial-birth abortion
- Eliminated civil service protections to reward effective workers but fire incompetent ones
- Presided over a credit upgrade, the creation of more jobs than any state in America, and 4.4% growth in Florida's economy

2. His vision
- Lower tax rates with fewer deductions and loopholes
- A balanced budget constitutional amendment
- Paul Ryan's constitutional line-item veto
- A strong national defense without policing the world
- Entitlement reform
- Immigration reform with a pathway to legal status, a guest worker program, and e-verify with a secure border and an end to sanctuary cities
- Repeal of Obamacare
- Embracing the energy revolution
- State's rights



But his name outweighs any of that. Kasich is the better candidate.

Kasich is a wimp who is fine with Roe V. Wade and used his religion to justify expanding medicaid under Obamacare, no thanks.

Jeb is the ultimate beta male (and beta males do not have a good track record winning Presidential elections), so it's pretty ironic for a Jeb supporter to call any of the other candidates "wimps."

There is nothing wrong with being a compassionate male, I don't think there is anything wrong with men showing their heart. That goes for Jeb Bush, John Kasich, and every male in this society.

That being said, Jeb Bush has stood up for conservative principles even under political pressure. Under pressure, John Kasich caved to the liberals and now justifies doing so by using is faith to justify expanding the welfare state. If John Kasich couldn't stand up for fiscal responsibility and sound policy on medicaid, if he takes the Supreme Court as gospel, how can we expect him to stand up for ordinary Americans who are struggling because of big government?

Kasich was correct on Medicaid; failing to accept expanded Medicaid has caused many states to experience funding problems with hospitals, particularly many rural hospitals.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/08/01/336907606/a-conservative-mayor-fights-to-expand-medicaid-in-north-carolina

Jeb doesn't care.  His "cost containment" plan just means that the uninsured will be short the ability to afford healthcare by a lesser margin. 

First of all, there is a solution to the article you posted. It's the free market. If there is a true demand for a hospital, one will open. The Mayor shouldn't be going to the federal government for a bailout.

Secondly, allowing the poor to obtain private health insurance enables them to have the same quality of care as everyone else. The plan in Florida saved taxpayer dollars and the folks who were insured under it like it. 99% of the time, the free market is more effective than government. Those who oppose the plan are basically saying that poor people shouldn't have the same access to quality health care as everyone else, that's wrong. States and the free market should be the one's helping the poor obtain health insurance, the federal government should have an extremely limited role if a role at all in this regard.

1. His record in the private sector and as Governor of Florida
- With a partner, established a company that became the largest full-service commercial real estate firm in South Florida
- Reduced taxes by $19 billion
- Reduced the size of state government by 11% and privatized agencies and services
- Enacted tort reform
- Enacted medicaid reform with more choices including private options
- Enacted the nation's first statewide school voucher program
- Ended social promotion in third grade
- Supported opportunity scholarships
- Signed "Stand Your Ground" into law along with 11 other NRA-backed gun laws
- Ended partial-birth abortion
- Eliminated civil service protections to reward effective workers but fire incompetent ones
- Presided over a credit upgrade, the creation of more jobs than any state in America, and 4.4% growth in Florida's economy

2. His vision
- Lower tax rates with fewer deductions and loopholes
- A balanced budget constitutional amendment
- Paul Ryan's constitutional line-item veto
- A strong national defense without policing the world
- Entitlement reform
- Immigration reform with a pathway to legal status, a guest worker program, and e-verify with a secure border and an end to sanctuary cities
- Repeal of Obamacare
- Embracing the energy revolution
- State's rights



But his name outweighs any of that. Kasich is the better candidate.

Kasich is a wimp who is fine with Roe V. Wade and used his religion to justify expanding medicaid under Obamacare, no thanks.

Yeah, it's unfortunate that Kasich committed the Republican cardinal sins: caring about women's bodily autonomy and caring for the downtrodden.

Caring for the poor is an important attribute of any individual human and society. But expanding medicaid under the Obamacare scheme is not the best way to care for the poor. The way to best care for those without health insurance is to do a few things. First, focus on lowering the cost of health insurance through increasing competition so more people can afford health care. Also, allow state's to do what they please through medicaid.

Secondly, how about an unborn child's right to life? Unless the mother's health is at risk, or there is a case of rape or incest, abortion should be illegal.
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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2015, 11:58:35 PM »


Never said he was, but he did say that Roe V. Wade is the "law of the land."
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2015, 05:13:02 AM »
« Edited: September 02, 2015, 05:18:55 AM by Blair »



First of all, there is a solution to the article you posted. It's the free market. If there is a true demand for a hospital, one will open. The Mayor shouldn't be going to the federal government for a bailout.

Secondly, allowing the poor to obtain private health insurance enables them to have the same quality of care as everyone else. The plan in Florida saved taxpayer dollars and the folks who were insured under it like it. 99% of the time, the free market is more effective than government. Those who oppose the plan are basically saying that poor people shouldn't have the same access to quality health care as everyone else, that's wrong. States and the free market should be the one's helping the poor obtain health insurance, the federal government should have an extremely limited role if a role at all in this regard.

Simply not true, it's naive at best. Ignoring the fallacy of a 'free market' (there's no such thing, and the clamour for from the right is just stupid because every market must have restrictions, government action etc)

You're rather simplistic claim that 'if there's demand, one will be open' ignores the fact that demand isn't the only factor in healthcare. The problem is that these rural hospitals are often having to care for uninsured patients in rural areas-that's hardly big bucks is it?  The States can't help people get insurance if they simply don't have the money or the budget, the 'free market' has been trying to help people get health insurance for the last 40 years, and its failed for the most vulnerable

The part I bolded is the essence of healthcare debate, and honestly it's where conservatives get it so so wrong. Aftter having to study healthcare for a whole term at school I was shocked even as relatively left wing person to see how effective Cuba's healthcare system was in comparison to the 'Free Market' healthcare solution in the US. IIRC Cuba even has a lower infant mortality rate than the US (Or is level)- plus the fact that the infant mortality rate for African Americans is double that of Cuba. HIV/AIDs as another example of how absolutely awful the US system-before the expansion of Medicare and the Ryan plan you had low income people not being able to get any anti-viral drugs, when this is combined with being homeless do you really think people have any chance?

Basically the despised socialist medicine works-hence why the UK, Brazil, Canada, Germany, Australia and France all operate either a single payer or universal system-there's a reason for that. If you want to tackle health inequality-whether it's the gay teenager , the African America mother or the white rural worker you need to get government involved-that's just fact

Your simply wrong on healthcare to claim that insurance companies should be given complete trust, it's like trusting the arsonist with the fire department. Look at the monumental failure that US healthcare has been for the last 40 years, and then think why hasn't the free market been able to fix it? It's almost as if you think the last 40 years have been a dream


Never said he was, but he did say that Roe V. Wade is the "law of the land."

Because it is the law of the land, the amount of crap you come out with each day fails to amaze me. Citizens United is law of the land, does me saying that mean I support it? This stupid wank that Republicans come out with in primaries every year since 1973- 'I will repeal Roe vs Wade' and they never do, they tinker with something but they never actually change it.

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So basically you support the supreme court in cases you like, and attack it in cases you don't. You want Kasich to fight Roe v Wade, but I doubt you'd want him to fight Citizens United, Gonzales v Carhart, DC v Heller, Shelby County v Holder or any of the other questionable decisions

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Yeah I'm sure the poor mother having to take an hour to do two different jobs gets up every morning and screams because of big government. You seem with big government when it's being used to attack another country don't you? The fallacy of big government is that some conservatives scream about states rights, and about the expanding federal government. Yet they're happy to expand the Military, happy to expand the tax breaks to oil companies, happy to trample state's rights in regards to marijuana and support big government that collects on mass phone records. Let's stop this bullsh**t that republicans oppose big government
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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2015, 07:07:22 AM »


Never said he was, but he did say that Roe V. Wade is the "law of the land."

Well it is, and passing legislation people know to be unconstitutional that will, often very quickly, be voided by Federal Courts, is a deliberate waste of taxpayer monies.  I don't like that fact, but even Samuel Alito, during his confirmation hearings, described Roe v. Wade as "a precedent worthy of respect".  And in Constitutional Law, based on the principle of stare decisis, it very much is.  Short of the SCOTUS overruling itself (unlikely, but possible) or a Constitutional Amendment passing that prohibits abortion (not possible, politically, at this point in time), that's where we're at.  Unfortunately.
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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2015, 07:40:59 AM »


Never said he was, but he did say that Roe V. Wade is the "law of the land."

Well it is, and passing legislation people know to be unconstitutional that will, often very quickly, be voided by Federal Courts, is a deliberate waste of taxpayer monies.  I don't like that fact, but even Samuel Alito, during his confirmation hearings, described Roe v. Wade as "a precedent worthy of respect".  And in Constitutional Law, based on the principle of stare decisis, it very much is.  Short of the SCOTUS overruling itself (unlikely, but possible) or a Constitutional Amendment passing that prohibits abortion (not possible, politically, at this point in time), that's where we're at.  Unfortunately.

The founding fathers did not intend for the U.S. Supreme Court to create legislation, they intended the court to be a check on the other branches of government. They also intended for a limited federal government and state's rights, the Roe V. Wade decision undermined this idea. The fact is, the U.S. Supreme Court issued an opinion in this case, but they went beyond their constitutional role in seeking to create law. We often forget that in reality, congress and the President must listen to the supreme court, but there is nothing in the constitution that says they must obey the supreme court, it's not a civil or criminal court.

Secondly, I find it fascinating that for over four decades, Republicans have done nothing other than banning partial-birth abortion which is "constitutional" under Roe V. Wade to "over-turn" the decision when it's been a few short years since Citizens United and the Democrats are trying to "over-turn" that decision. Furthermore, Roe V. Wade can't be the "law of the land" because there is no Roe V. Wade law.
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