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« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2015, 04:25:13 PM »

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« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2015, 05:01:38 PM »

Trump is correct on 'single payer', it does work much better than the stale market orientated healthcare disaster that the US has.

Highlights from the comments

'Still don't care, Trump is still better than another Bush''

''Folks tend to change their mind when life experience shows that their original opinion or belief is no longer valid or was possibly wrong to begin with. I have certainly changed my mind as I have learned through time. I have voted for TWO of the Bush family for president. Considering the other candidates at the time it was not a hard choice. It is not a hard choice now. Trump 2016!''

''This video didn't really change my mind, and I think it's a weak attack. Trump was a private citizen most of his life, not a politician, and he seems to have naturally evolved his positions over time.''

''I like him even more after this video. He's a pragmatist and not a partisan. I'm a moderate republican and I think the rich should be paying more in taxes. The middle class is getting absolutely hosed in this country. Trump 2016!''
The bad part is I almost agree with that one. As an actual moderate, I want someone who unites the country, not divides it. As of now, only Biden and Kasich can accomplish that.

That said, I believe in American exceptionalism. America is so exceptional because it is not a nation, but an idea - not a country, but a promise - not any organized body, but a hope. While other empires and nations will die, so long as freedom and liberty live somewhere, America shall live.

This great idea, this powerful promise, this greatest experiment, this idea - it defends all born here, no matter the case. Without exception, we allow all to stay. We do not deport immigrants who wish to stay for breaking a law they didn't know about. We grant them amnesty, and they statistically become American ideals. Many times more likely to get a college degree, start a business, have a job, and lower crime rates than the average citizen after receiving amnesty, they subsidize welfare heavily, and many do not collect.

Unless anyone wishes to oppose any of the above likelihoods, unless anyone wishes to oppose American exceptionalism, unless anyone wishes to oppose the American ideals above - I say, do not deport immigrants who help everything.
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« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2015, 02:53:31 PM »
« Edited: September 02, 2015, 02:55:33 PM by captainkangaroo »

Nice Ad Bush:

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« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2015, 03:01:00 PM »

Justin Beiber's "Baby" has 3.2 million likes to 5.1 million dislikes, but that doesn't stop him from being rich.
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« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2015, 03:44:51 PM »

Trump is correct on 'single payer', it does work much better than the stale market orientated healthcare disaster that the US has.

Highlights from the comments

'Still don't care, Trump is still better than another Bush''

''Folks tend to change their mind when life experience shows that their original opinion or belief is no longer valid or was possibly wrong to begin with. I have certainly changed my mind as I have learned through time. I have voted for TWO of the Bush family for president. Considering the other candidates at the time it was not a hard choice. It is not a hard choice now. Trump 2016!''

''This video didn't really change my mind, and I think it's a weak attack. Trump was a private citizen most of his life, not a politician, and he seems to have naturally evolved his positions over time.''

''I like him even more after this video. He's a pragmatist and not a partisan. I'm a moderate republican and I think the rich should be paying more in taxes. The middle class is getting absolutely hosed in this country. Trump 2016!''
The bad part is I almost agree with that one. As an actual moderate, I want someone who unites the country, not divides it. As of now, only Biden and Kasich can accomplish that.

That said, I believe in American exceptionalism. America is so exceptional because it is not a nation, but an idea - not a country, but a promise - not any organized body, but a hope. While other empires and nations will die, so long as freedom and liberty live somewhere, America shall live.

This great idea, this powerful promise, this greatest experiment, this idea - it defends all born here, no matter the case. Without exception, we allow all to stay. We do not deport immigrants who wish to stay for breaking a law they didn't know about. We grant them amnesty, and they statistically become American ideals. Many times more likely to get a college degree, start a business, have a job, and lower crime rates than the average citizen after receiving amnesty, they subsidize welfare heavily, and many do not collect.

Unless anyone wishes to oppose any of the above likelihoods, unless anyone wishes to oppose American exceptionalism, unless anyone wishes to oppose the American ideals above - I say, do not deport immigrants who help everything.



""That said, I believe in American exceptionalism. America is so exceptional because it is not a nation, but an idea - not a country, but a promise - not any organized body, but a hope. While other empires and nations will die, so long as freedom and liberty live somewhere, America shall live.""

Liberals dont believe any of that.

Denis Prager once said you can tell how someone will vote just by asking them how they feel about America
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« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2015, 05:28:36 PM »

I maintain that Trump's appeal rests way more in his attitude than in his stance on issues. It's identity politics to the extreme. Trump will call these shallow attacks, they'll be dismissed with the wave of a hand, and, in the end, they will have only fed into his image and narrative.

Agreed. Trump is doing what Andrew Jackson and William Henry Harrison did to great effect: running on his image as a no-nonsence champion of the common man and avoiding the issues whenever possible.

Very true, all of this.

We haven't had a campaign like this since Ronald Reagan was alive.  I would argue that, for good or bad, a campaign of this type happening in an American Presidential election is long overdue.
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« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2015, 05:32:49 PM »

Justin Beiber's "Baby" has 3.2 million likes to 5.1 million dislikes, but that doesn't stop him from being rich.

Sure, but you can't lose money simply for people disliking you. You can lose elections for that reason, though.
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« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2015, 05:36:45 PM »
« Edited: September 02, 2015, 05:38:53 PM by Fuzzy Bear »

Dear God look at all the damn idiots in the comment section.

"WOOT GO0000 TRUMP FCK BUSH, JEB JUST DOESN'T GET IT!"

Get what? The fact you are riding an absolute clown's tail who can't even decide which political party (4 in the past 15 years) he is interested in being in? Somebody who will literally bullsh**t his way into whatever staunch social conservatives want to hear? I hate my party having a base of an idiots, it truly pains me sometimes.

So many idiots it hurts, truly hurts.

Thank you, I couldn't agree more.

Ronald Reagan was a rock solid conservative as President. He was the first President to implement a Mexico City policy, he signed historic tax relief into law, he reduced regulations, he had a Fed. Chairman who had a good monetary policy, he supported strict constructionist judges, he took on the air traffic control union and won, and he reformed social security on a bi-partisan basis.

Yet, he granted amnesty to illegals in 1986 and he expanded medicaid. I have criticized John Kasich and Chris Christie for expanding medicaid, and I disagree with Reagan on that issue. But I have not called Kasich a liberal, nor would I call Reagan a liberal. Unfortunately, some in the modern Republican Party would.

There are two issues where Jeb Bush is in the minority with the GOP base. First, his position on illegal immigration, I share his views on this. The base says he supports "amnesty," that is factually incorrect. In fact, 51% of Republicans polled support a pathway to citizenship, that is actually a position to the left of mine and Governor Bush's. The second issue is Common Core, what is interesting here is that it is a complete lie that the federal government created common core, it's state driven and Jeb Bush has said he doesn't want the federal government being involved with educational standards. I personally oppose Common Core and want my state to opt-out, Chris Christie was ready to embrace common core until he decided to run for President. I'm glad we are opting-out.

But let's forget about Jeb Bush here. I have had enough of some in the tea party making false claims about Republicans who don't agree with them 100% of the time. There are plenty of Republicans I like who I don't agree with on every issue. Some are moderate, some are conservative. Even the tea party isn't consistently conservative - their opposition to trade promotion authority is based on paranoia, it's not fact based. I don't see the point in trying to agree with everyone 100% of the time because no one can find another person they always agree with. That's the main issue I have with people like Ted Cruz, if you aren't with them on one issue, you are cast as a "RINO." It seems the most popular figures in today's conservative AND liberal movements have accomplished nothing. What did Barack Obama accomplish before 2008? What has Ted Cruz accomplished? NOTHING.




In a way Bush is like Huntsman. Everyone thought Huntsman was a sane moderate. Truth was as Gov he was pretty conservative. However, there were a few issues where he antagonized the GOP base. He ended up with 1%. Bush has done the same thing but immigration and common core are more important to the Base than anything Huntsman pissed them off about.

Conservative or not. Bush has gone out of his way to piss off primary voters. Fact is history was cruel to Yeb when he lost in FL in 1994. Had we won, I am sure he, not GW would have been president in 2000 and Yeb would have likely won a much bigger victory in both the EC and won the NPV by 1-3%. Carrying FL easily along with OR, IA, NM maybe even MI and PA. Closer to 300 EVs not 271. Much of the acrimony in the country today (not all) stems from Bush 2000.

But Yeb missed his chance and there is no way he will ever be elected.

Jeb may well be elected, but it won't be easy.

I agree with the highlighted part of dudeabides post.  Oddly enough, it's this syndrome that's produced the Trump phenomienon as much as anything.  The Tea Party nit-pickers say "You haven't voted perfectly!  You're a RINO!"  Somehow, this isn't as relevant to YOUR life as Donald Trump saying to this competition, "I've don BIG things and you can't find the bathroom!  You're a LOSER!"  Voters don't really care about the first, but they care very much about the second because a loser as President negatively impacts their lives.  And, so far, they agree with Trump's "loser" assessments.
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« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2015, 06:08:41 PM »

Dear God look at all the damn idiots in the comment section.

"WOOT GO0000 TRUMP FCK BUSH, JEB JUST DOESN'T GET IT!"

Get what? The fact you are riding an absolute clown's tail who can't even decide which political party (4 in the past 15 years) he is interested in being in? Somebody who will literally bullsh**t his way into whatever staunch social conservatives want to hear? I hate my party having a base of an idiots, it truly pains me sometimes.

So many idiots it hurts, truly hurts.

Thank you, I couldn't agree more.

Ronald Reagan was a rock solid conservative as President. He was the first President to implement a Mexico City policy, he signed historic tax relief into law, he reduced regulations, he had a Fed. Chairman who had a good monetary policy, he supported strict constructionist judges, he took on the air traffic control union and won, and he reformed social security on a bi-partisan basis.

Yet, he granted amnesty to illegals in 1986 and he expanded medicaid. I have criticized John Kasich and Chris Christie for expanding medicaid, and I disagree with Reagan on that issue. But I have not called Kasich a liberal, nor would I call Reagan a liberal. Unfortunately, some in the modern Republican Party would.

There are two issues where Jeb Bush is in the minority with the GOP base. First, his position on illegal immigration, I share his views on this. The base says he supports "amnesty," that is factually incorrect. In fact, 51% of Republicans polled support a pathway to citizenship, that is actually a position to the left of mine and Governor Bush's. The second issue is Common Core, what is interesting here is that it is a complete lie that the federal government created common core, it's state driven and Jeb Bush has said he doesn't want the federal government being involved with educational standards. I personally oppose Common Core and want my state to opt-out, Chris Christie was ready to embrace common core until he decided to run for President. I'm glad we are opting-out.

But let's forget about Jeb Bush here. I have had enough of some in the tea party making false claims about Republicans who don't agree with them 100% of the time. There are plenty of Republicans I like who I don't agree with on every issue. Some are moderate, some are conservative. Even the tea party isn't consistently conservative - their opposition to trade promotion authority is based on paranoia, it's not fact based. I don't see the point in trying to agree with everyone 100% of the time because no one can find another person they always agree with. That's the main issue I have with people like Ted Cruz, if you aren't with them on one issue, you are cast as a "RINO." It seems the most popular figures in today's conservative AND liberal movements have accomplished nothing. What did Barack Obama accomplish before 2008? What has Ted Cruz accomplished? NOTHING.




In a way Bush is like Huntsman. Everyone thought Huntsman was a sane moderate. Truth was as Gov he was pretty conservative. However, there were a few issues where he antagonized the GOP base. He ended up with 1%. Bush has done the same thing but immigration and common core are more important to the Base than anything Huntsman pissed them off about.

Conservative or not. Bush has gone out of his way to piss off primary voters. Fact is history was cruel to Yeb when he lost in FL in 1994. Had we won, I am sure he, not GW would have been president in 2000 and Yeb would have likely won a much bigger victory in both the EC and won the NPV by 1-3%. Carrying FL easily along with OR, IA, NM maybe even MI and PA. Closer to 300 EVs not 271. Much of the acrimony in the country today (not all) stems from Bush 2000.

But Yeb missed his chance and there is no way he will ever be elected.

Jeb may well be elected, but it won't be easy.

I agree with the highlighted part of dudeabides post.  Oddly enough, it's this syndrome that's produced the Trump phenomienon as much as anything.  The Tea Party nit-pickers say "You haven't voted perfectly!  You're a RINO!"  Somehow, this isn't as relevant to YOUR life as Donald Trump saying to this competition, "I've don BIG things and you can't find the bathroom!  You're a LOSER!"  Voters don't really care about the first, but they care very much about the second because a loser as President negatively impacts their lives.  And, so far, they agree with Trump's "loser" assessments.

What is really odd to me is these folks who won't allow anyone who doesn't agree with them 100% of the time speak are now all for Trump and ignoring his socialist ideals. The problem is, people see someone who speaks their mind and isn't from Washington and they put their own ideas, values, and even ideology aside just to have some outsider be elected. I am very much interested in seeing candidates talk about their ideas, though I do believe Jeb Bush and others need to attack Donald Trump on his personal life in addition to his radical views to stop him. I think what we are seeing is that folks are no longer responding to issues, but to the cult of a personality. When Donald Trump says Jeb Bush is "low energy" it means more to some than Jeb Bush attacking Trump as a leftist. It's very sad because this country relies on people making good judgement calls, the voters made such calls in 2004, 2000, 1988 (sort of but Jack Kemp would have been better), 1984, 1980, 1956, 1952, 1924, and 1920 in both primaries and general elections.

Think about how the country would have been under Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, Jesse Jackson, David Duke, Lyndon LaRouche, Pat Buchanan, or Al Sharpton. We wouldn't be the country we are today, and if we elect Donald Trump, we will no longer be the country we have always been. The general election next year will be about the economy and foreign policy, it will be a referendum on Washington's policies. But this primary has become something else. It's become a question of if America will still be America. People who support Donald Trump are basically saying they want our country to be something it is not; a racist, socialist country. That's why the top priority of the GOP must be to deny Donald Trump the nomination, it's about saving America.
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« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2015, 06:11:03 PM »

I really hope your checks don't bounce. It would be awful if Jeb decided not to pay you for all this cheerleading.
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« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2015, 06:16:30 PM »

I really hope your checks don't bounce. It would be awful if Jeb decided not to pay you for all this cheerleading.

I know you love the idea of your party facing white supremacist Donald Trump in a general election, I can't blame you I'd feel the same way. 
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« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2015, 06:37:30 PM »

Bush doesn't get it. Just like Romney didn't get it 4 years ago.
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« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2015, 06:56:57 PM »

Justin Beiber's "Baby" has 3.2 million likes to 5.1 million dislikes, but that doesn't stop him from being rich.

Sure, but you can't lose money simply for people disliking you. You can lose elections for that reason, though.

But you can top the charts. In short: don't place too much stock in likes on YouTube.
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« Reply #38 on: September 02, 2015, 08:16:37 PM »

Dear God look at all the damn idiots in the comment section.

"WOOT GO0000 TRUMP FCK BUSH, JEB JUST DOESN'T GET IT!"

Get what? The fact you are riding an absolute clown's tail who can't even decide which political party (4 in the past 15 years) he is interested in being in? Somebody who will literally bullsh**t his way into whatever staunch social conservatives want to hear? I hate my party having a base of an idiots, it truly pains me sometimes.

So many idiots it hurts, truly hurts.

Thank you, I couldn't agree more.

Ronald Reagan was a rock solid conservative as President. He was the first President to implement a Mexico City policy, he signed historic tax relief into law, he reduced regulations, he had a Fed. Chairman who had a good monetary policy, he supported strict constructionist judges, he took on the air traffic control union and won, and he reformed social security on a bi-partisan basis.

Yet, he granted amnesty to illegals in 1986 and he expanded medicaid. I have criticized John Kasich and Chris Christie for expanding medicaid, and I disagree with Reagan on that issue. But I have not called Kasich a liberal, nor would I call Reagan a liberal. Unfortunately, some in the modern Republican Party would.

There are two issues where Jeb Bush is in the minority with the GOP base. First, his position on illegal immigration, I share his views on this. The base says he supports "amnesty," that is factually incorrect. In fact, 51% of Republicans polled support a pathway to citizenship, that is actually a position to the left of mine and Governor Bush's. The second issue is Common Core, what is interesting here is that it is a complete lie that the federal government created common core, it's state driven and Jeb Bush has said he doesn't want the federal government being involved with educational standards. I personally oppose Common Core and want my state to opt-out, Chris Christie was ready to embrace common core until he decided to run for President. I'm glad we are opting-out.

But let's forget about Jeb Bush here. I have had enough of some in the tea party making false claims about Republicans who don't agree with them 100% of the time. There are plenty of Republicans I like who I don't agree with on every issue. Some are moderate, some are conservative. Even the tea party isn't consistently conservative - their opposition to trade promotion authority is based on paranoia, it's not fact based. I don't see the point in trying to agree with everyone 100% of the time because no one can find another person they always agree with. That's the main issue I have with people like Ted Cruz, if you aren't with them on one issue, you are cast as a "RINO." It seems the most popular figures in today's conservative AND liberal movements have accomplished nothing. What did Barack Obama accomplish before 2008? What has Ted Cruz accomplished? NOTHING.




In a way Bush is like Huntsman. Everyone thought Huntsman was a sane moderate. Truth was as Gov he was pretty conservative. However, there were a few issues where he antagonized the GOP base. He ended up with 1%. Bush has done the same thing but immigration and common core are more important to the Base than anything Huntsman pissed them off about.

Conservative or not. Bush has gone out of his way to piss off primary voters. Fact is history was cruel to Yeb when he lost in FL in 1994. Had we won, I am sure he, not GW would have been president in 2000 and Yeb would have likely won a much bigger victory in both the EC and won the NPV by 1-3%. Carrying FL easily along with OR, IA, NM maybe even MI and PA. Closer to 300 EVs not 271. Much of the acrimony in the country today (not all) stems from Bush 2000.

But Yeb missed his chance and there is no way he will ever be elected.

Jeb may well be elected, but it won't be easy.

I agree with the highlighted part of dudeabides post.  Oddly enough, it's this syndrome that's produced the Trump phenomienon as much as anything.  The Tea Party nit-pickers say "You haven't voted perfectly!  You're a RINO!"  Somehow, this isn't as relevant to YOUR life as Donald Trump saying to this competition, "I've don BIG things and you can't find the bathroom!  You're a LOSER!"  Voters don't really care about the first, but they care very much about the second because a loser as President negatively impacts their lives.  And, so far, they agree with Trump's "loser" assessments.

What is really odd to me is these folks who won't allow anyone who doesn't agree with them 100% of the time speak are now all for Trump and ignoring his socialist ideals. The problem is, people see someone who speaks their mind and isn't from Washington and they put their own ideas, values, and even ideology aside just to have some outsider be elected. I am very much interested in seeing candidates talk about their ideas, though I do believe Jeb Bush and others need to attack Donald Trump on his personal life in addition to his radical views to stop him. I think what we are seeing is that folks are no longer responding to issues, but to the cult of a personality. When Donald Trump says Jeb Bush is "low energy" it means more to some than Jeb Bush attacking Trump as a leftist. It's very sad because this country relies on people making good judgement calls, the voters made such calls in 2004, 2000, 1988 (sort of but Jack Kemp would have been better), 1984, 1980, 1956, 1952, 1924, and 1920 in both primaries and general elections.

Think about how the country would have been under Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, Jesse Jackson, David Duke, Lyndon LaRouche, Pat Buchanan, or Al Sharpton. We wouldn't be the country we are today, and if we elect Donald Trump, we will no longer be the country we have always been. The general election next year will be about the economy and foreign policy, it will be a referendum on Washington's policies. But this primary has become something else. It's become a question of if America will still be America. People who support Donald Trump are basically saying they want our country to be something it is not; a racist, socialist country. That's why the top priority of the GOP must be to deny Donald Trump the nomination, it's about saving America.

Perhaps the reaso they don't attack Trump on his personal life is that they know (or at least believe) that they live in gglass houses.  You think finding dirt on Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, or even Jeb Bush is overly taxing for Donald Trump? 
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« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2015, 09:14:12 AM »

Dear God look at all the damn idiots in the comment section.

"WOOT GO0000 TRUMP FCK BUSH, JEB JUST DOESN'T GET IT!"

Get what? The fact you are riding an absolute clown's tail who can't even decide which political party (4 in the past 15 years) he is interested in being in? Somebody who will literally bullsh**t his way into whatever staunch social conservatives want to hear? I hate my party having a base of an idiots, it truly pains me sometimes.

So many idiots it hurts, truly hurts.

Thank you, I couldn't agree more.

Ronald Reagan was a rock solid conservative as President. He was the first President to implement a Mexico City policy, he signed historic tax relief into law, he reduced regulations, he had a Fed. Chairman who had a good monetary policy, he supported strict constructionist judges, he took on the air traffic control union and won, and he reformed social security on a bi-partisan basis.

Yet, he granted amnesty to illegals in 1986 and he expanded medicaid. I have criticized John Kasich and Chris Christie for expanding medicaid, and I disagree with Reagan on that issue. But I have not called Kasich a liberal, nor would I call Reagan a liberal. Unfortunately, some in the modern Republican Party would.

There are two issues where Jeb Bush is in the minority with the GOP base. First, his position on illegal immigration, I share his views on this. The base says he supports "amnesty," that is factually incorrect. In fact, 51% of Republicans polled support a pathway to citizenship, that is actually a position to the left of mine and Governor Bush's. The second issue is Common Core, what is interesting here is that it is a complete lie that the federal government created common core, it's state driven and Jeb Bush has said he doesn't want the federal government being involved with educational standards. I personally oppose Common Core and want my state to opt-out, Chris Christie was ready to embrace common core until he decided to run for President. I'm glad we are opting-out.

But let's forget about Jeb Bush here. I have had enough of some in the tea party making false claims about Republicans who don't agree with them 100% of the time. There are plenty of Republicans I like who I don't agree with on every issue. Some are moderate, some are conservative. Even the tea party isn't consistently conservative - their opposition to trade promotion authority is based on paranoia, it's not fact based. I don't see the point in trying to agree with everyone 100% of the time because no one can find another person they always agree with. That's the main issue I have with people like Ted Cruz, if you aren't with them on one issue, you are cast as a "RINO." It seems the most popular figures in today's conservative AND liberal movements have accomplished nothing. What did Barack Obama accomplish before 2008? What has Ted Cruz accomplished? NOTHING.




In a way Bush is like Huntsman. Everyone thought Huntsman was a sane moderate. Truth was as Gov he was pretty conservative. However, there were a few issues where he antagonized the GOP base. He ended up with 1%. Bush has done the same thing but immigration and common core are more important to the Base than anything Huntsman pissed them off about.

Conservative or not. Bush has gone out of his way to piss off primary voters. Fact is history was cruel to Yeb when he lost in FL in 1994. Had we won, I am sure he, not GW would have been president in 2000 and Yeb would have likely won a much bigger victory in both the EC and won the NPV by 1-3%. Carrying FL easily along with OR, IA, NM maybe even MI and PA. Closer to 300 EVs not 271. Much of the acrimony in the country today (not all) stems from Bush 2000.

But Yeb missed his chance and there is no way he will ever be elected.

Jeb may well be elected, but it won't be easy.

I agree with the highlighted part of dudeabides post.  Oddly enough, it's this syndrome that's produced the Trump phenomienon as much as anything.  The Tea Party nit-pickers say "You haven't voted perfectly!  You're a RINO!"  Somehow, this isn't as relevant to YOUR life as Donald Trump saying to this competition, "I've don BIG things and you can't find the bathroom!  You're a LOSER!"  Voters don't really care about the first, but they care very much about the second because a loser as President negatively impacts their lives.  And, so far, they agree with Trump's "loser" assessments.

What is really odd to me is these folks who won't allow anyone who doesn't agree with them 100% of the time speak are now all for Trump and ignoring his socialist ideals. The problem is, people see someone who speaks their mind and isn't from Washington and they put their own ideas, values, and even ideology aside just to have some outsider be elected. I am very much interested in seeing candidates talk about their ideas, though I do believe Jeb Bush and others need to attack Donald Trump on his personal life in addition to his radical views to stop him. I think what we are seeing is that folks are no longer responding to issues, but to the cult of a personality. When Donald Trump says Jeb Bush is "low energy" it means more to some than Jeb Bush attacking Trump as a leftist. It's very sad because this country relies on people making good judgement calls, the voters made such calls in 2004, 2000, 1988 (sort of but Jack Kemp would have been better), 1984, 1980, 1956, 1952, 1924, and 1920 in both primaries and general elections.

Think about how the country would have been under Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, Jesse Jackson, David Duke, Lyndon LaRouche, Pat Buchanan, or Al Sharpton. We wouldn't be the country we are today, and if we elect Donald Trump, we will no longer be the country we have always been. The general election next year will be about the economy and foreign policy, it will be a referendum on Washington's policies. But this primary has become something else. It's become a question of if America will still be America. People who support Donald Trump are basically saying they want our country to be something it is not; a racist, socialist country. That's why the top priority of the GOP must be to deny Donald Trump the nomination, it's about saving America.

Perhaps the reaso they don't attack Trump on his personal life is that they know (or at least believe) that they live in gglass houses.  You think finding dirt on Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, or even Jeb Bush is overly taxing for Donald Trump? 

The problem for Mr. Trump is, even the personal problems the three candidates you mentioned have are more relate-able to the average person. Scott Walker didn't complete college because he was offered a job, most Americans didn't go to college. Marco Rubio's house that went into foreclosure relates to thousands if not millions of Americans who have been in foreclosure, his GOP credit card issue is a bigger deal though. Jeb Bush's daughter was addicted to prescription drugs a decade ago, thousands and millions of people have that same issue and she is no longer an addict. Jeb Bush's wife had an impulse to purchase expensive gifts, while the amount Jeb paid for these gifts doesn't relate to the ordinary person, her issue is relateable and she is over that now.

The typical American doesn't marry someone who's only accomplishment is they posed in front of some cameras. Most Americans are not spending money to send their 21 year old daughter to the Hamptons. Also, when most Americans go into bankruptcy, it's because they lose a small business or don't have the means to make ends meet, it's not with BILLIONS of dollars in their bank accounts. No other American that I know of besides Donald Trump drove an entire football league into the ground. Some people in this day and age do profit off of frivolous lawsuits, but few have the means to enter into as many as Mr. Trump. He's out of touch with the American people on a personal level. 
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