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Question: which of the following most led to the Iraq War?
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« on: September 02, 2015, 12:55:15 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2015, 01:07:09 AM »

Saddam Hussein
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2015, 06:15:39 AM »

Bad intel played a role, big oil and the Israel lobby did not.  Saddam did his part, our politicians did theirs (even the ones you've since forgiven because "SPECIAL").
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2015, 07:18:51 AM »

Dubya lost a bet with Dick Cheney.
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2015, 09:44:22 AM »

Bad intel, Saddam, big oil, imperial hubris
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2015, 10:51:24 AM »

Bad intel, Saddam, big oil, imperial hubris

This, and also Dubya wanted to do what his dad never did; take down Saddam for good..
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2015, 12:03:47 PM »

Bush and Cheney overcompensating for having tiny dicks.
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2015, 12:09:44 PM »

Bush wanted to finish the job. And probably did sincerely want to spread democracy too.
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2015, 12:35:47 PM »

Bush thought a war with some despised middle-eastern country would boost his approval numbers by prolonging the post-9/11 "rally around the flag" effect. Plus, unrealistic expectations about "spreading democracy" fueled by neocon idiots.
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2015, 12:58:03 PM »

Opts. 1, 2, and a Wilsonian desire to nation-build.
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2015, 03:48:08 PM »
« Edited: September 02, 2015, 03:49:45 PM by DimpledChad »

I simply think that Bush's neocon administration believed in the policy of regime change. Saddam was someone who they wanted out of power, and after 9/11 I think they saw an opportunity. Mike Morrell said that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld knew that Saddam Hussein had not reconstituted nuclear weapons, but they ran on that talking point anyway. And, by innuendo, they tied Saddam to 9/11.

In sum, I think they wanted Saddam out of power, and although they knew the WMD intel was bogus, they believed in the policy of regime change and nation building.
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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2015, 08:22:29 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2015, 09:58:05 PM »

I simply think that Bush's neocon administration believed in the policy of regime change. Saddam was someone who they wanted out of power, and after 9/11 I think they saw an opportunity. Mike Morrell said that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld knew that Saddam Hussein had not reconstituted nuclear weapons, but they ran on that talking point anyway. And, by innuendo, they tied Saddam to 9/11.

In sum, I think they wanted Saddam out of power, and although they knew the WMD intel was bogus, they believed in the policy of regime change and nation building.
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2015, 07:33:27 PM »

A combination of Bush's grudge against Saddam for the attempted murder of his father, and Saddam really not knowing when not to poke the bear.
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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2015, 09:38:45 PM »

I simply think that Bush's neocon administration believed in the policy of regime change. Saddam was someone who they wanted out of power, and after 9/11 I think they saw an opportunity. Mike Morrell said that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld knew that Saddam Hussein had not reconstituted nuclear weapons, but they ran on that talking point anyway. And, by innuendo, they tied Saddam to 9/11.

In sum, I think they wanted Saddam out of power, and although they knew the WMD intel was bogus, they believed in the policy of regime change and nation building.

Agreed, intel had nothing to do with it; Bush would have used any excuse to support his quest for war.
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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2015, 10:01:50 PM »

Neoconservatism
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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2015, 10:06:06 PM »

Capitalism.
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2015, 05:46:20 PM »

Big Oil.  I don't think Israel had anything to do with it.
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2015, 06:08:15 PM »

The first gulf war, the push for nation building (biggest mistake), and bad intelligence.

The biggest problem was no viable plan for the peace after Saddam. "Meet the new boss, as bad as the old boss"
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2015, 12:10:14 AM »

The fact that Iraq is an absurdity that should have never been created.
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2015, 07:09:11 PM »

I think that 9/11 genuinely shocked the Bush administration, and made them realize that America's relationships with certain Middle Eastern regimes (read: KSA) were too problematic to rely solely on in the Arab world for both economic terms (i.e. oil) and for political reasons - after all, most of those states/societies are neither liberal nor democracies.

I also believe that Saddam's regime was in decline at the time of the invasion from years of war, sanctions, and additional American bombings, and that a civil war and/or influx of jihadists was almost inevitable in that region. What the Bush administration did - and this is being charitable, granted - was get America involved in (I believe) an attempt to influence the aftermath of the collapse of Saddam's regime, which was likely to happen anyway. They may have had ulterior motives, granted, and they botched the aftermath of "liberating" Iraq....but this has become my view of it.
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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2015, 09:21:14 AM »

The fact that Iraq is an absurdity that should have never been created.

World War I combined with its aftermath was probably the most costly war in world history.





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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2015, 03:56:53 PM »

I don't think there's a big mystery in why USA invaded Iraq, it was because the American administration wanted to. As for the reasons Bush & co. saw this as a good idea. Well there was the personal enmity toward Saddam, there was rather good strategic reason (strengthen the American position in the Middle East and ensure a stable supply of oil to the world market) and at last there was the deep naivity of Bush administration which imagine a democratic domino effect and ignored tribal, ethnic and religious difference in the region.
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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2015, 04:19:22 PM »

"Are you proud of me, daddy?"
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« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2015, 10:19:49 PM »

Mainly bad Intel, but also Bush's desire to take down Sadam and change the regime. I disagree with his decision wholeheartedly, but really doubt he had bad intentions or because of all the conspiratorial nonsense.
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