Is Hillary Still Our Best Bet

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

I'm a Hillary supporter and have been since November 7, 2012 but her recent polling numbers has bee very troubling to me. I know the Emailgate scandal is bullsh!t, as is Benghazi and whatever else the GOP's tried to come up with to discredit her. But the problem is that on a certain level with the public it's worked.

She's facing the same headwinds Romney faced last time and the reason he lost: on trust. I'm not concern trolling, I'm actually concerned. I love Bernie Sanders but I don think he'll survive under a barrage of Republican attacks. I just don't believe he'll win a GE. The big thing Hillary had going for her was her electability. She still trounces her Republican rivals in opinion polling but I fear her high unfavorables and the perception of being a liar and untrustworthy will catch up with her before the Election Night '16.

The question is, simply put, is she still the Democrat with the best bet at holding the WH or should we actually consider others?

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Sanders is a rising star, and I'm pretty sure even Biden is polling above her in the GE. It's not that she's a bad candidate, but the media decided a long, long time ago that they wanted a competitive Democratic primary and have been attacking her relentlessly ever since. She should be no more controversial of a politician than any other, but the media doesn't want it to be that way.

[MT Treasurer]

She should be no more controversial of a politician than any other, but the media doesn't want it to be that way.

To answer the question: No, Biden and Sanders would make better candidates.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

In many ways, I think Joe Biden may actually be the better bet.

But I actually would prefer Hillary as a candidate. She almost always performs well at the job she does, and is an effective bureaucrat whether you like it or not. Plus, I actually do find her warm and likable? I know that will go down poorly here, but whatever.

I could settle on Joe, but I really want Hillary to be the president.

[pho]

If the alternative is Sanders or Biden, then she is unquestionably still the best option.

What should really have you worried is that there is literally no one of equal quality to fill the void should Hillary implode.

[MisSkeptic]

In my opinion Hillary Clinton is the best choice for the Democrats this election. Yes, I said it!

Since politicians left and right have been entering the race, I have been disappointed with most the Democratic candidates. I don't see the appeal for Bernie Sanders at all; he's another Ron and Rand Paul with "progressive" flavoring. Like Sanders, O'Malley is a coward. When the Black Lives Matter moment interrupted their speeches, they backed down with their tale between their legs and kissed ass to the media so they wouldn't come out as negative. I lost all my respect for those two.

[NeverAgain]

If the alternative is Sanders or Biden, then she is unquestionably still the best option.

What should really have you worried is that there is literally no one of equal quality to fill the void should Hillary implode.

A Vice President of the United States, 36 Year Senator of Delaware. A Former Mayor of Burlington, Congressman, and Senator of Vermont. A Former Mayor of Baltimore, and Governor of Maryland. A Former Sec. of The Navy and Former Senator of Virginia. A Former Senator and Governor of Rhode Island.
Yup. No quality here, hun.

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In the recent Qunnippiac poll, Sanders runs 2 points better against Bush than Hillary, 2 points worse against Trump than Hillary, and 1 point worse against Trump than Hillary.  That's really a wash.

Hillary's favorables are 41.9-51.3, -9.4 points in the hole. Sanders' favorables are 36.1-30.5, positive 5.6 points. So Sanders has a lot more room to improve.

I think he might end up similar to Biden, whose favorables are 46.2-41.6, positive 4.6 points, and who ran 4 points better against Bush, 2 points better against Rubio, and 3 points better against Trump than Hillary.

So Hillary is the worst bet of the 3.

Note that I edited incorrect numbers for the Sanders Bush race.

Clinton 42%
Bush 40%

Clinton 44%
Rubio 43%

Clinton 45%
Trump 41%

Biden 45%
Bush 39%

Biden 44%
Rubio 41%

Biden 48%
Trump 40%

Sanders 43%
Bush 39%

Sanders 40%
Rubio 41%

Sanders 44%
Trump 41%

Clinton 40%
Bush 24%
Trump 24%

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2274

[NeverAgain]

In my opinion Hillary Clinton is the best choice for the Democrats this election. Yes, I said it!

Since politicians left and right have been entering the race, I have been disappointed with most the Democratic candidates. I don't see the appeal for Bernie Sanders at all; he's another Ron and Rand Paul with "progressive" flavoring. Like Sanders, O'Malley is a coward. When the Black Lives Matter moment interrupted their speeches, they backed down with their tale between their legs and kissed ass to the media so they wouldn't come out as negative. I lost all my respect for those two.

So Hillary would have eaten BLM with her tenacious lizard teeth? There really is no reason to call Sanders or O'Malley a coward... The job of politicians is to listen to others ideas and help better represent them. Listen I really hate the way the BLM supporters got up on stage and stole Sanders' mic but, in the end he is now incorporating a lot of new police brutality language into his speeches. On to your point of them kissing the Media's ass. I don't follow O'Malley, but I have seen most of Bernie's moments on air and I really do not see what you are getting at.

I know this rant seems like a mad Sanders supporter getting upset at any Hillary poster, but when you attack someone for "kissing ass" and being a "coward" for listening to ideas and being part of our democracy that crosses the line to me.

[MisSkeptic]

In my opinion Hillary Clinton is the best choice for the Democrats this election. Yes, I said it!

Since politicians left and right have been entering the race, I have been disappointed with most the Democratic candidates. I don't see the appeal for Bernie Sanders at all; he's another Ron and Rand Paul with "progressive" flavoring. Like Sanders, O'Malley is a coward. When the Black Lives Matter moment interrupted their speeches, they backed down with their tale between their legs and kissed ass to the media so they wouldn't come out as negative. I lost all my respect for those two.

So Hillary would have eaten BLM with her tenacious lizard teeth? There really is no reason to call Sanders or O'Malley a coward... The job of politicians is to listen to others ideas and help better represent them. Listen I really hate the way the BLM supporters got up on stage and stole Sanders' mic but, in the end he is now incorporating a lot of new police brutality language into his speeches. On to your point of them kissing the Media's ass. I don't follow O'Malley, but I have seen most of Bernie's moments on air and I really do not see what you are getting at.

I know this rant seems like a mad Sanders supporter getting upset at any Hillary poster, but when you attack someone for "kissing ass" and being a "coward" for listening to ideas and being part of our democracy that crosses the line to me.

No, I see where you're coming from in your reply. While I don't always follow the news, I feel both Sanders and O'Malley were cowards because they're not very confrontational and just backed down.  I feel that's a bad weakness if they want to become President.

While I don't know how it has affect Sander's campaign, when it happened to O'Malley, he commented that "all lives matter; including black lives" but he soon backtracked and regretted saying "all lives matter". To me it was wrong of him to backtracked. Like he was wrong for saying all lives mattered.

While I know Hillary isn't perfect as a candidate either, I love that she's more confident that the rest of the Democratic candidates. Just wish other than Sanders someone was willing to call her out and challenge her, make them both look good in the progress. 

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

In my opinion Hillary Clinton is the best choice for the Democrats this election. Yes, I said it!

Since politicians left and right have been entering the race, I have been disappointed with most the Democratic candidates. I don't see the appeal for Bernie Sanders at all; he's another Ron and Rand Paul with "progressive" flavoring. Like Sanders, O'Malley is a coward. When the Black Lives Matter moment interrupted their speeches, they backed down with their tale between their legs and kissed ass to the media so they wouldn't come out as negative. I lost all my respect for those two.

So Hillary would have eaten BLM with her tenacious lizard teeth? There really is no reason to call Sanders or O'Malley a coward... The job of politicians is to listen to others ideas and help better represent them. Listen I really hate the way the BLM supporters got up on stage and stole Sanders' mic but, in the end he is now incorporating a lot of new police brutality language into his speeches. On to your point of them kissing the Media's ass. I don't follow O'Malley, but I have seen most of Bernie's moments on air and I really do not see what you are getting at.

I know this rant seems like a mad Sanders supporter getting upset at any Hillary poster, but when you attack someone for "kissing ass" and being a "coward" for listening to ideas and being part of our democracy that crosses the line to me.

No, I see where you're coming from in your reply. While I don't always follow the news, I feel both Sanders and O'Malley were cowards because they're not very confrontational and just backed down.  I feel that's a bad weakness if they want to become President.

While I don't know how it has affect Sander's campaign, when it happened to O'Malley, he commented that "all lives matter; including black lives" but he soon backtracked and regretted saying "all lives matter". To me it was wrong of him to backtracked. Like he was wrong for saying all lives mattered.

While I know Hillary isn't perfect as a candidate either, I love that she's more confident that the rest of the Democratic candidates. Just wish other than Sanders someone was willing to call her out and challenge her, make them both look good in the progress. 

Hillary is the weak one with all of her focus groups telling her what to say. Sanders has taken strong stands, whether it was for gay pride in 1985 as mayor, one of the few elected white politicians for Jesse Jackson in 1988, one of the few to vote against the Glass Steagall in 1999, or the Patriot Act in 2001. He strongly opposed the Iraq war in 2002. His votes show a courage, which Hillary does not.

[pho]

If the alternative is Sanders or Biden, then she is unquestionably still the best option.

What should really have you worried is that there is literally no one of equal quality to fill the void should Hillary implode.

A Vice President of the United States, 36 Year Senator of Delaware. A Former Mayor of Burlington, Congressman, and Senator of Vermont. A Former Mayor of Baltimore, and Governor of Maryland. A Former Sec. of The Navy and Former Senator of Virginia. A Former Senator and Governor of Rhode Island.
Yup. No quality here, hun.

A Vice President of the United States...who compulsively puts his foot in his mouth.

A Senator from Vermont...who openly identifies as a socialist while apparently having no understanding of what that word means.

A former mayor of Baltimore and Governor of Maryland...who was succeeded by a Republican and  left office with a middling approval rating.

A former Secretary of  the Navy (under Reagan) and former (one term) Senator...who defends confederate "heritage".

A former Senator and Governor of Rhode Island...do I really need to explain why Lincoln Chafee is not a quality candidate?

[MisSkeptic]

In my opinion Hillary Clinton is the best choice for the Democrats this election. Yes, I said it!

Since politicians left and right have been entering the race, I have been disappointed with most the Democratic candidates. I don't see the appeal for Bernie Sanders at all; he's another Ron and Rand Paul with "progressive" flavoring. Like Sanders, O'Malley is a coward. When the Black Lives Matter moment interrupted their speeches, they backed down with their tale between their legs and kissed ass to the media so they wouldn't come out as negative. I lost all my respect for those two.

So Hillary would have eaten BLM with her tenacious lizard teeth? There really is no reason to call Sanders or O'Malley a coward... The job of politicians is to listen to others ideas and help better represent them. Listen I really hate the way the BLM supporters got up on stage and stole Sanders' mic but, in the end he is now incorporating a lot of new police brutality language into his speeches. On to your point of them kissing the Media's ass. I don't follow O'Malley, but I have seen most of Bernie's moments on air and I really do not see what you are getting at.

I know this rant seems like a mad Sanders supporter getting upset at any Hillary poster, but when you attack someone for "kissing ass" and being a "coward" for listening to ideas and being part of our democracy that crosses the line to me.

No, I see where you're coming from in your reply. While I don't always follow the news, I feel both Sanders and O'Malley were cowards because they're not very confrontational and just backed down.  I feel that's a bad weakness if they want to become President.

While I don't know how it has affect Sander's campaign, when it happened to O'Malley, he commented that "all lives matter; including black lives" but he soon backtracked and regretted saying "all lives matter". To me it was wrong of him to backtracked. Like he was wrong for saying all lives mattered.

While I know Hillary isn't perfect as a candidate either, I love that she's more confident that the rest of the Democratic candidates. Just wish other than Sanders someone was willing to call her out and challenge her, make them both look good in the progress. 

Hillary is the weak one with all of her focus groups telling her what to say. Sanders has taken strong stands, whether it was for gay pride in 1985 as mayor, one of the few elected white politicians for Jesse Jackson in 1988, one of the few to vote against the Glass Steagall in 1999, or the Patriot Act in 2001. He strongly opposed the Iraq war in 2002. His votes show a courage, which Hillary does not.

That will be a great campaign slogan for Bernie Sanders. No, I understand Hillary is nowhere near perfect, nor is anyone else and I understand a lot of voters would find her history, views, and stances unfavorably.

This might sound bias, but I love that she's a woman. She does break down the glass ceiling and influences future woman leaders. No, I'm not a "PUMA" someone who thinks just because Hillary is a woman, therefore she's better than the men. No, that's wrong! I hated when many where upset just because Barack Obama got the nomination, only to be elected soon afterword.

For me Hillary's character is what I'm attracted to. But I need to learn more about her and the other candidates before I participate in voting. I want the best  candidate for my choice

[BlueSwan]

Hillary is a very very strong choice for president and I think that a majority of Americans know this and will end up voting for her, despite not necessarily loving her. She just oozes competence and always have.

[NeverAgain]

If the alternative is Sanders or Biden, then she is unquestionably still the best option.

What should really have you worried is that there is literally no one of equal quality to fill the void should Hillary implode.

A Vice President of the United States, 36 Year Senator of Delaware. A Former Mayor of Burlington, Congressman, and Senator of Vermont. A Former Mayor of Baltimore, and Governor of Maryland. A Former Sec. of The Navy and Former Senator of Virginia. A Former Senator and Governor of Rhode Island.
Yup. No quality here, hun.

A Vice President of the United States...who compulsively puts his foot in his mouth.

A Senator from Vermont...who openly identifies as a socialist while apparently having no understanding of what that word means.

A former mayor of Baltimore and Governor of Maryland...who was succeeded by a Republican and  left office with a middling approval rating.

A former Secretary of  the Navy (under Reagan) and former (one term) Senator...who defends confederate "heritage".

A former Senator and Governor of Rhode Island...do I really need to explain why Lincoln Chafee is not a quality candidate?

1. And Hillary has never made a gaffe?

2. *Democratic-Socialist, and I'm thinking by your reply you don't know that is.

3.  2014 - Republican Wave, Low Turnout, Blah Blah Blah. Really wasn't all O'Malley's fault, I'll leave his defense to Dimpled though.

4. Yeah, I know, damn southerner! No politician in their right mind would defend the confederate flag and especially not use it in campaign memorabilia...

5. Hey, he voted against the Iraq war... Can't say the same for peacenik Hillary though...

They aren't all the best cherries in the field, (trying to get my phrase to catch on) but they are "quality".

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

That will be a great campaign slogan for Bernie Sanders. No, I understand Hillary is nowhere near perfect, nor is anyone else and I understand a lot of voters would find her history, views, and stances unfavorably.

This might sound bias, but I love that she's a woman. She does break down the glass ceiling and influences future woman leaders. No, I'm not a "PUMA" someone who thinks just because Hillary is a woman, therefore she's better than the men. No, that's wrong! I hated when many where upset just because Barack Obama got the nomination, only to be elected soon afterword.

For me Hillary's character is what I'm attracted to. But I need to learn more about her and the other candidates before I participate in voting. I want the best  candidate for my choice

Obviously the US should elect a female President, but it should be someone who is the best candidate that time. Teachout would have made a better governor of NY than Cuomo, and would have been the first female governor of NY, but Hillary endorsed Cuomo and Teachout lost.

Hillary is a very very strong choice for president and I think that a majority of Americans know this and will end up voting for her, despite not necessarily loving her. She just oozes competence and always have.

Her high unfavorables are a problem in the general election. And being the most competent of the 2 doesn't mean you win the general election. Look at 2004. Anyone sane would agree that Kerry is more competent than Bush.

[Blue3]

Hillary is still most likely to win and most likely to get as much of the Democratic agenda implemented as possible.

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Hillary is still most likely to win and most likely to get as much of the Democratic agenda implemented as possible.

The polls show otherwise on the winning part. And her husband seemed to mostly get 3rd way or Republican (is there much of a difference?) agenda implemented.

[pho]

If the alternative is Sanders or Biden, then she is unquestionably still the best option.

What should really have you worried is that there is literally no one of equal quality to fill the void should Hillary implode.

A Vice President of the United States, 36 Year Senator of Delaware. A Former Mayor of Burlington, Congressman, and Senator of Vermont. A Former Mayor of Baltimore, and Governor of Maryland. A Former Sec. of The Navy and Former Senator of Virginia. A Former Senator and Governor of Rhode Island.
Yup. No quality here, hun.

A Vice President of the United States...who compulsively puts his foot in his mouth.

A Senator from Vermont...who openly identifies as a socialist while apparently having no understanding of what that word means.

A former mayor of Baltimore and Governor of Maryland...who was succeeded by a Republican and  left office with a middling approval rating.

A former Secretary of  the Navy (under Reagan) and former (one term) Senator...who defends confederate "heritage".

A former Senator and Governor of Rhode Island...do I really need to explain why Lincoln Chafee is not a quality candidate?

1. And Hillary has never made a gaffe?

2. *Democratic-Socialist, and I'm thinking by your reply you don't know that is.

3.  2014 - Republican Wave, Low Turnout, Blah Blah Blah. Really wasn't all O'Malley's fault, I'll leave his defense to Dimpled though.

4. Yeah, I know, damn southerner! No politician in their right mind would defend the confederate flag and especially not use it in campaign memorabilia...

5. Hey, he voted against the Iraq war... Can't say the same for peacenik Hillary though...

They aren't all the best cherries in the field, (trying to get my phrase to catch on) but they are "quality".

1. Not to the extent that Biden has. If anything, Clinton has been accused of being too calculated and careful on the campaign trail.

2. Sanders is a social democrat at best, which is an entirely different thing from a democratic socialist. Does Bernie Sanders advocate social ownership of the means of production?

3. That would be a decent argument if we weren't talking about Maryland.

4. That was 23 years ago, and it was distasteful then. Fortunately, both the Democratic Party and the country as a whole have changed for the better.

5. What has he done in the subsequent 13 years after that vote (which was really only notable because he voted no as a Republican).

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Yes. Pure and simple.

[NewYorkExpress]

No, and she never was... but out of who's willing to run (including Biden), she's probably the best chance downballot.

[Crumpets]

I say yes, solely because we know exactly what we're getting if she's the nominee. The media and the Republicans have thrown the kitchen sink at her, and definitely put a dent in her support. But, she's clearly still in the best standing of all the candidates, despite her lower favorability ratings. Sanders would have to rely on the Republicans nominating someone farther out of the mainstream than he is to win (not actually all that unlikely), while Biden suffers from foot-in-mouth disease. Nominating someone like Sanders or Biden might get the Democrats their win, but both are high-risk high-reward.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

I say yes, solely because we know exactly what we're getting if she's the nominee. The media and the Republicans have thrown the kitchen sink at her, and definitely put a dent in her support. But, she's clearly still in the best standing of all the candidates, despite her lower favorability ratings. Sanders would have to rely on the Republicans nominating someone farther out of the mainstream than he is to win (not actually all that unlikely), while Biden suffers from foot-in-mouth disease. Nominating someone like Sanders or Biden might get the Democrats their win, but both are high-risk high-reward.

Biden is the low risk low reward candidate. Hillary is the high risk low reward candidate. Sanders is the high risk high reward candidate.

[Adam Griffin]

4. Yeah, I know, damn southerner! No politician in their right mind would defend the confederate flag and especially not use it in campaign memorabilia...

Unofficial; not made by the campaign; etc etc

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4. Yeah, I know, damn southerner! No politician in their right mind would defend the confederate flag and especially not use it in campaign memorabilia...

Unofficial; not made by the campaign; etc etc

OK, but in 1987, he signed a bill affirming that the stars on the Arkansas flag represent the Confederacy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/bill-clinton-arkansas-confederate_n_7638542.html

Somehow, I doubt a certain Jesse Jackson supporter in Vermont approved of that (had he been following the bill).