If TR came back from the dead

[Thunderbird is the word]

Out of all twentieth century president's he's the one who I think would be most interesting in the current political climate since he really doesn't fit into either major party at all wheras most of the others I think you can fairly accurately predict them. On one hand he'd probably be considered a Socialist with his 1912 platform and support for trust busting yet also a neocon and probably fairly anti-immigrant.

[PJ]

TR is not a socialist and trust busting is not socialism. Actual socialist candidates ran against him.

[Thunderbird is the word]

I know but modern conservatives would call his 1912 platform socialist.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

it'd be pretty awesome.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

He'd be angry about a black president.

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

Graham would have his third campaign supporter.

[Rockefeller GOP]

He'd be angry about a black president.

Actually, once he looked at the calendar, he would probably understand roles have changed since then. He was not a vile racist in that sense. He had no natural dislike of black.

I don't know, aren't there some pretty dicey quotes of his?

[Crumpets]

I can imagine a fantastic movie being made about this.

[Rockefeller GOP]

He'd be angry about a black president.

Actually, once he looked at the calendar, he would probably understand roles have changed since then. He was not a vile racist in that sense. He had no natural dislike of black.

I don't know, aren't there some pretty dicey quotes of his?

Give me some quotes, lets talk about that.

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/02/racist-american-presidents/teddy-roosevelt

[Anti-Bothsidesism]

He'd be angry.

FTFY

[Skill and Chance]

He'd be angry about a black president.

Actually, once he looked at the calendar, he would probably understand roles have changed since then. He was not a vile racist in that sense. He had no natural dislike of black.

I don't know, aren't there some pretty dicey quotes of his?

Give me some quotes, lets talk about that.

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/02/racist-american-presidents/teddy-roosevelt

None of that is good, and it obviously makes him look very racist today.  But he lived right at the post-Civil War peak of racism and was part of probably the most racist generation ever in the Northern US.  His views would be considered moderate at the time he served in office.  Keep in mind that the Ivy League and academics in general supported eugenics almost unanimously circa 1910.  Had he lived to see WWII, I have no doubt he would have repented of that error.  I'm not saying he would be a civil rights activist today, but he would probably be fine with the post-1965 status quo. 

Today, he would be Sanders on domestic issues and G.W. Bush on foreign policy.  I presume he would oppose Obamacare from the left and simultaneously oppose almost all of Obama's foreign policy from the right.  I don't think he would care too much for interest groups and he would be incredibly ticked about Citizens United.  Maybe he would vote Dem generally, but try to make them more populist?  I'm sure he would have supported Bush in 2004, though.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

He'd be angry about a black president.

Actually, once he looked at the calendar, he would probably understand roles have changed since then. He was not a vile racist in that sense. He had no natural dislike of black.

I don't know, aren't there some pretty dicey quotes of his?

Give me some quotes, lets talk about that.

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/02/racist-american-presidents/teddy-roosevelt

Sounds like he might be ok with Obama, seeing him as evidence of improvement among (parts of) the black race and also as benefiting in his capacities from being half white.

[136or142]

If TR came back from the dead I'd guess his main issue would be Zombie rights.

[136or142]

I don't think the TR quotes are THAT bad considering context of time and location. Yes, he definitely viewed whites as being superior, but here's the thing- until maybe the 1960s or 1970s, most people thought that in the US... and these quotes are from the 1910s.

I think he would be fine with Obama in context of the time period and racial advances.

An example of someone who would never accept a black President would be Woodrow Wilson or Andrew Johnson.

That article doesn't mention that Harry Truman was a staunch opponent of opposite race marriages.

It also doesn't even mention Ronald Reagan. If Lyndon Johnson is going to be called a racist for using the 'n' word as that site does (they call him a racist for this even though they acknowledge that he used harsh language frequently for almost everybody, as did Richard Nixon), then clearly Reagan should be included.  In addition to almost certainly playing 'dog whistle' politics at his 1980 Presidential campaign launch in Philadelphia, Mississippi, he frequently brought up the myth of 'welfare queens driving limousines' (or whatever the exact expression is) along with bringing up at least one other lie about people on welfare that was almost certainly meant to be taken by the people's who vote he was seeking as being directed mainly if not exclusively at African Americans.

Also he was against the 1964 civil rights act after being for it and, as President, he virtually shut down the civil rights investigation division of the Attorney General's office.

There is little evidence that Reagan himself was personally racist, and there is that one famous story of him standing up to racism, but he was a (non southern) Democrat back then, but there was far less evidence presented on that site that Lyndon Johnson was personally racist.

Richard Nixon was likely personally racist, but, at least, he was an equal opportunity racist in that he seemed to hate practically everybody.

[Simfan34]

LBJ was pretty racist. TR was the first president to dine with an African American-- even if it was Booker T. Washington, it caused considerable controversy at the time. If not indicative of a fully "modern" view of blacks, it shows he was willing to defy social norms to extend common courtesy. I'm sure he'd be fine in this day and age.

[136or142]

LBJ was pretty racist. TR was the first president to dine with an African American-- even if it was Booker T. Washington, it caused considerable controversy at the time. If not indicative of a fully "modern" view of blacks, it shows he was willing to defy social norms to extend common courtesy. I'm sure he'd be fine in this day and age.

Lincoln had a long conversation with Frederick Douglas in the White House.

Johnson had clearly done some racist things both in his public life and his private life in his youth, but by at the latest 1957, there is no evidence of him still being racist other than his continued used of the n-word, which as I said may have been 'nothing' more than Johnson using crude language for almost everything.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism

[H. Ross Peron]

Probably would be a more hawkish Sherrod Brown essentially.

[Bigby]

He would punch both parties and hang them on his trophy wall.

[SWE]

TR would be a Republican hack today, given that there's no risk of a socialist revolution in 2015.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

TR would be a Republican hack today, given that there's no risk of a socialist revolution in 2015.

^

Yes. TR's populist moves on the economy was really just to bolster his support and keep the Reds from gaining too much support, while he focused on his true passion of imperialism.

[Leinad]

I know but modern conservatives would call his 1912 platform socialist.

Yeah, but lots of modern conservatives call everything socialist...

[The Mikado]

Of course TR would be a Republican. He'd be a manlier Lindsey Graham, calling for the invasion of Syria and Iraq except this time we'll stay and make them territories under permanent occupation, dammit! That's the only way to deal with those savages! Democrats want to coddle uncivilized tribes just like they did in my day when they pressed us to get out of the Philippines, but we won't stand for that!

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

He and John McCain are similar; he would join the Whig party and call for Estate Tax reform

[Simfan34]

Of course TR would be a Republican. He'd be a manlier Lindsey Graham, calling for the invasion of Syria and Iraq except this time we'll stay and make them territories under permanent occupation, dammit! That's the only way to deal with those savages! Democrats want to coddle uncivilized tribes just like they did in my day when they pressed us to get out of the Philippines, but we won't stand for that!

At this rate that's not a half bad idea.

Although the Philippines suggests we're neither particularly terrible nor particularly good afternoon the whole colonisation thing.

[Simfan34]

How "at" morphed into that, I don't know.