Opinion of Third Wave Feminism

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A lot of threads about porn and prostitution on this forum.  I can't recall a single major candidate having a meaningful discussion about either topic in years... but yet you guys focus on both with a regularity that is a bit unsettling.

One small problem with the porn statement you posted is there are numerous female porn directors and female owned porn production companies.  Also with the advent of the internet it is now possible for women to consume porn in the privacy of their own home without having to go to sleazy male filled venues.

I don't agree with the "blurring of gender identity and gender roles."  The fact of the matter is a lot of people male and female like a lot of things about the way society is set up.  I guess I should say they may like the overall theme but be a little less enthusiastic about some of the on the ground implementation.

For example most women prefer a situation where a man is the bread winner.  I see this even amongst my highly educated financially successful female friends.  They have a hard time getting married because they still want a man that will fulfill that strong bread winner role.  Kind of hard to find a guy making $200K to out do your $100K.

And liberal women will say all sorts of wonderful open minded things but don't be fooled they still want a "real" man.

The global thing is just courting disaster.  Some of these extreme feminists don't even understand American white culture.  There is no way they are going to understand black African culture or Indian culture or whatever.

I suppose the fact is there is no one "right" way to structure your society.   The Netherlands is far more left wing, socialist, and open minded than the United States ever will be and they all live quite happily with entire towns devoted to religious zealots and one of the highest percentages of stay at home mom's in the Western first world.  I would love to see one of these misinformed bra burning American feminists go to the Nethelands and explain to the women over there with their robust social safety net and state funded education and healthcare how they need to throw off their shackles of male bondage and get grueling 80 hour a week jobs in investment banking or medicine.

While working part time is considered a pox on the labor market in the US it is considered a normal and desirable way of life for Dutch women.  68% of Dutch women work part time.

If someone ever makes a documentary about a US feminist going to the Netherlands to make it a civilized country I will get a big tub of popcorn and settle in for a delightful comedy.

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captainkangaroo you're embarassing yourself with how thick and uninformed you are about this subject.

cut your losses man

You can't event form a rebuttal to anything I said so you simply throw personal insults at me. When you're ready to act like an adult, try responding to what I wrote.

Were you expecting anything more?  I laid out the example of women in the Netherlands and not one of them even touched the subject.  I learned about that statistic fairly late in life and was surprised.  It didn't line up with the narrative I was taught all my life.  It would have been nice to have an intelligent discussion about it but it is painfully clear if a data point isn't on their script they will just ignore it and insult you.  I suppose that is better than them running their mouths about something they clearly don't know anything about.

I assume women who are poor and/or have no ambition in life other than to have children (unfortunately this is probably a silent majority), they do want a guy who can support them financially and that's probably one of the main things they look for.

I live in a Brooklyn Hipster bubble though. If the women I know only had sex with men who made more money than them, they would be celibate.

Having sex with someone is very different to marrying them and having children with them.  Having said that you bring up a good point.  Due to the advances made in equality in education we are approaching a point in time where there is going to be an oversupply of well educated high earning women.  Frankly the people denying that a lot of these women want someone who earns as much as them and preferably more are doing these women a disservice.

In any case "But all the women I know want X" is a silly way to form an opinion.

Nice strawman.  Who said "all" women?  Is there such a poverty of facts and ideas that you have to resort to such tactics?

The point is that people be free to break these norms when it suits them, and that the expectation/pressure to fulfill them in the traditional ways only be eliminated.

No one said people aren't free to do what they want.  As far as pressure is concerned what are you going to do legislate what parents tell their kids about marriage?  Mandate parents hide the fact dad makes more than mom?  Arrest mom for saying she is happy being a house wife or only working part time at the law firm?

My problem with some areas of femenist thought is there is this pervasive underlying feeling that in a perfect world where women are treated the same as men at school and in the work place that companies with be 50/50 male and female in all positions and the women will be really happy with that state of affairs... as opposed to the current situation.  As with my example of the Netherlands what the world looks like as you approach utopia isn't necessarily a perfect 50/50 split in the work place and a lot of women are fine with that.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/mother-tongue/11118738/Stay-at-home-mothers-have-the-most-worthwhile-lives.html

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http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/the-feminismhappiness-axis/

Reminds me of Palestine and Egypt.  Americans demanded they have free and democratic elections.  Then Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood were swept into power.  Now the same Americans are decrying the election results.  Newsflash when people in other cultures are free to determine how to structure their society they won't necessarily conform to the fantasy in your American head.

Anyway like I said I can't wait for an American feminist who can't go to Planned Parenthood, get proper maternity leave, get an almost free college degree, doesn't have a proper social safety net for her and her children go to the Netherlands and explain to Dutch women how they need to be more progressive... like the US.