Opinion of Kim Davis

[afleitch]

I suspect she is sincere, but misguided.  The whole situation is a clusterfick on all sides.

By all sides, do you mean only her side?

The only "solution" to this they have come up with is to send her to jail and hope she caves, meanwhile people still can't get their marriage licenses.  There is a problem of governance here, you'd think someone would have realized something like this could become an issue.

She should resign from her position ... but what is the unemployment rate in her county I wonder?  May explain in part why she hasn't.

The deputy clerks are handing out licenses today.

seems it would prove my point.   Why was it supposedly necessary for her to be put in jail in order to get people their marriage licenses?   Nobody has a clue how to handle this, given the state of the law.

She refused to promise that she wouldn't interfere with her deputies giving out licenses.

Her deputies were not allowed to give out licences, even when they wanted to (as many did) because it required her authorisation. She stopped people doing their job at the same time she stopped doing hers.

[Maxwell]

HP.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I suspect she is sincere, but misguided.  The whole situation is a clusterfick on all sides.

By all sides, do you mean only her side?

The only "solution" to this they have come up with is to send her to jail and hope she caves, meanwhile people still can't get their marriage licenses.  There is a problem of governance here, you'd think someone would have realized something like this could become an issue.

She should resign from her position ... but what is the unemployment rate in her county I wonder?  May explain in part why she hasn't.

The deputy clerks are handing out licenses today.

seems it would prove my point.   Why was it supposedly necessary for her to be put in jail in order to get people their marriage licenses?   Nobody has a clue how to handle this, given the state of the law.

She refused to promise that she wouldn't interfere with her deputies giving out licenses.

Her deputies were not allowed to give out licences, even when they wanted to (as many did) because it required her authorisation. She stopped people doing their job at the same time she stopped doing hers.

So then, legally it must still require her approval, since she still holds the office even though she is in jail.

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HP, ofcourse, however she shouldn't go to jail, just be fired from her job.

[ElectionsGuy]

Lean FF. I admire her bravery and believe she's a kindhearted person who is only doing this to please god, but she should just resign at this point. SSM is settled law.

We don't live in a theocracy. An elected official doing something contrary to his/her job to "please God" should not even be a thing.

HP, and the funny thing is she's an elected Democrat.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

You know, the fact that she's an extreme socon and a Democrat doesn't surprise me so much in that part of the country, but the fact that she's an Apostolic and a Democrat DOES. Actually even if she was a Republican I'd be surprised that an Apostolic is holding public office, especially one like that.

For those unaware, Apostolics are a Pentecostal denomination that are mostly found only in Appalachia and the Upper South and yet for whatever reason also North Dakota, (there's a non-negligible population around Bismarck, I know the chiropractor I went to in high school was one, and the receptionist, his daughter was recognizable as one), that basically shun alcohol and tobacco, jewelry, tattoos, most modern clothing and forbid women from wearing pants (they view this as equivalent to crossdressing like men wearing dresses), and their women wear their hair waist long while men are prohibited from having long hair, if you ever thought she was dressed a little odd and archaicly that's why (and notice her hair in the pic above.) They also heavily discourage though I don't believe actually "ban" owning a TV and watching movies. Much like Jehova's Witnesses they tend to be very "anti-worldly" and having one be in charge of record keeping for a county is an odd position. Although worth noting part of the reason why they hold to that is that such jobs could put someone in a position where they must be an accessory to sin...which brings up a valid point here. By the logic of her church she should've resigned as soon as the Supreme Court decision came if not sooner. Though I'm sure her local congregation support her and all.

[Bojack Horseman]

A total bitch.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

A total bitch.

[Incipimus iterum]

Uber HP

[DemPGH]

Poster person for HPs right now. HP of the year maybe or something.

Forces her religion on the public, refuses to perform a function she was elected to perform, refuses to allow her subordinates to do it, defies court orders due to religious crusade, is extremely deluded.

On top of that horrible personally, obviously.

[SWE]

Evil

[Figueira]

If your religion is telling you to do things like that, you need to rethink your religion. HP.

[DC Al Fine]

You know, the fact that she's an extreme socon and a Democrat doesn't surprise me so much in that part of the country, but the fact that she's an Apostolic and a Democrat DOES. Actually even if she was a Republican I'd be surprised that an Apostolic is holding public office, especially one like that.

For those unaware, Apostolics are a Pentecostal denomination that are mostly found only in Appalachia and the Upper South and yet for whatever reason also North Dakota, (there's a non-negligible population around Bismarck, I know the chiropractor I went to in high school was one, and the receptionist, his daughter was recognizable as one), that basically shun alcohol and tobacco, jewelry, tattoos, most modern clothing and forbid women from wearing pants (they view this as equivalent to crossdressing like men wearing dresses), and their women wear their hair waist long while men are prohibited from having long hair, if you ever thought she was dressed a little odd and archaicly that's why (and notice her hair in the pic above.) They also heavily discourage though I don't believe actually "ban" owning a TV and watching movies. Much like Jehova's Witnesses they tend to be very "anti-worldly" and having one be in charge of record keeping for a county is an odd position. Although worth noting part of the reason why they hold to that is that such jobs could put someone in a position where they must be an accessory to sin...which brings up a valid point here. By the logic of her church she should've resigned as soon as the Supreme Court decision came if not sooner. Though I'm sure her local congregation support her and all.

That's an interesting and unique bit of analysis. Thank you.

Personally, I think issuing a marriage license to a homosexual couple is akin to burning a bit of incense to Caesar. However, there's nothing in the Bible that says Caesar owes you a job. The appropriate response for her is to resign.

This is the wrong hill for the religious right to die on. There's already a reasonable way for her to avoid violating her conscience, and she is a civil servant, not a private business owner. If social conservatives are to carve out for themselves a niche for themselves in a world where they are increasingly viewed as bigoted, they must be very careful about which battles to fight.

Of course, it is very easy for me to say she should resign with my cushy private sector job.

[ScottieF]

Poster person for HPs right now. HP of the year maybe or something.

Forces her religion on the public, refuses to perform a function she was elected to perform, refuses to allow her subordinates to do it, defies court orders due to religious crusade, is extremely deluded.

On top of that horrible personally, obviously.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Idiot.

[ElectionsGuy]

Lean FF. I admire her bravery and believe she's a kindhearted person who is only doing this to please god, but she should just resign at this point. SSM is settled law.

We don't live in a theocracy. An elected official doing something contrary to his/her job to "please God" should not even be a thing.

HP, and the funny thing is she's an elected Democrat.

So is every single elected official in Rowan County, save the (elected!) jailer. What's your point?

Um, maybe its that Democrats full-heartedly embrace gay marriages and she's denying them. It just goes to show that local governments across the rural south still elect very conservative Democrats. Its like traveling through a time warp for some of these places.

[TDAS04]

Massive HP.

[Rockefeller GOP]

Lean FF. I admire her bravery and believe she's a kindhearted person who is only doing this to please god, but she should just resign at this point. SSM is settled law.

We don't live in a theocracy. An elected official doing something contrary to his/her job to "please God" should not even be a thing.

HP, and the funny thing is she's an elected Democrat.

So is every single elected official in Rowan County, save the (elected!) jailer. What's your point?

Frankly, she's one of yours.  I'll bet anything that Kim Davis is a big fan of the governor, is totally cool with taxing the "rich," increasing government funds for things like education and is probably perfectly fine with regulating Wall Street.  The fact that she's an intolerant dumb*ss doesn't make her any less of a Democrat...

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

You know, the fact that she's an extreme socon and a Democrat doesn't surprise me so much in that part of the country, but the fact that she's an Apostolic and a Democrat DOES. Actually even if she was a Republican I'd be surprised that an Apostolic is holding public office, especially one like that.

For those unaware, Apostolics are a Pentecostal denomination that are mostly found only in Appalachia and the Upper South and yet for whatever reason also North Dakota, (there's a non-negligible population around Bismarck, I know the chiropractor I went to in high school was one, and the receptionist, his daughter was recognizable as one), that basically shun alcohol and tobacco, jewelry, tattoos, most modern clothing and forbid women from wearing pants (they view this as equivalent to crossdressing like men wearing dresses), and their women wear their hair waist long while men are prohibited from having long hair, if you ever thought she was dressed a little odd and archaicly that's why (and notice her hair in the pic above.) They also heavily discourage though I don't believe actually "ban" owning a TV and watching movies. Much like Jehova's Witnesses they tend to be very "anti-worldly" and having one be in charge of record keeping for a county is an odd position. Although worth noting part of the reason why they hold to that is that such jobs could put someone in a position where they must be an accessory to sin...which brings up a valid point here. By the logic of her church she should've resigned as soon as the Supreme Court decision came if not sooner. Though I'm sure her local congregation support her and all.

FF . You know how Dems like to play sanctuary cities with illegal immigrants, that's the card she was playing and according to the logic the Feds had no right to touch her.

From my conservatarian view, She invoked the law which inspired the jurisprudence of the western world and thus invoked a Higher Law.

To quote President John Adams "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

[Thunderbird is the word]

Massive HP

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

To quote President John Adams "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

wait so you're saying that kim davis isn't protected by the constitution?

[7,052,770]

Lean FF. I admire her bravery and believe she's a kindhearted person who is only doing this to please god, but she should just resign at this point. SSM is settled law.

We don't live in a theocracy. An elected official doing something contrary to his/her job to "please God" should not even be a thing.

HP, and the funny thing is she's an elected Democrat.

So is every single elected official in Rowan County, save the (elected!) jailer. What's your point?

Um, maybe its that Democrats full-heartedly embrace gay marriages and she's denying them. It just goes to show that local governments across the rural south still elect very conservative Democrats. Its like traveling through a time warp for some of these places.

It's worth pointing out that she's probably an open Republican on the presidential and statewide level. In many Mississippi and other rural Southern locales, the local offices (sheriffs, clerks, aldermen, etc.) are all elected on the Democratic Party line no matter what. If a local office holder wants to run for higher office, even legislature, they run as Republicans and nobody thinks of them as a party-switcher. It's just how the local elections are. It's not even "oh, they will still elect Democrats when they're conservative enough," it's "literally no one ever runs as a Republican for these local races, regardless of their actual identity."

I can't guarantee that Davis is like this, but she probably is.

[Blair]

Lean FF. I admire her bravery and believe she's a kindhearted person who is only doing this to please god, but she should just resign at this point. SSM is settled law.

We don't live in a theocracy. An elected official doing something contrary to his/her job to "please God" should not even be a thing.

HP, and the funny thing is she's an elected Democrat.

So is every single elected official in Rowan County, save the (elected!) jailer. What's your point?

Frankly, she's one of yours.  I'll bet anything that Kim Davis is a big fan of the governor, is totally cool with taxing the "rich," increasing government funds for things like education and is probably perfectly fine with regulating Wall Street.  The fact that she's an intolerant dumb*ss doesn't make her any less of a Democrat...

And your point is still?

[Xing]

She refuses to do the job that she was elected to do, because the law doesn't let her use her religion to discriminate against others. Then she acts like she's the victim. Massive HP.

[DC Al Fine]

Lean FF. I admire her bravery and believe she's a kindhearted person who is only doing this to please god, but she should just resign at this point. SSM is settled law.

We don't live in a theocracy. An elected official doing something contrary to his/her job to "please God" should not even be a thing.

HP, and the funny thing is she's an elected Democrat.

So is every single elected official in Rowan County, save the (elected!) jailer. What's your point?

Um, maybe its that Democrats full-heartedly embrace gay marriages and she's denying them. It just goes to show that local governments across the rural south still elect very conservative Democrats. Its like traveling through a time warp for some of these places.

It's worth pointing out that she's probably an open Republican on the presidential and statewide level. In many Mississippi and other rural Southern locales, the local offices (sheriffs, clerks, aldermen, etc.) are all elected on the Democratic Party line no matter what. If a local office holder wants to run for higher office, even legislature, they run as Republicans and nobody thinks of them as a party-switcher. It's just how the local elections are. It's not even "oh, they will still elect Democrats when they're conservative enough," it's "literally no one ever runs as a Republican for these local races, regardless of their actual identity."

I can't guarantee that Davis is like this, but she probably is.

So the obvious question is: Why don't people bother running for the GOP in local deep south races?