John Weaver: A Kasich Army

[Kingpoleon]

John Weaver: An Army for John Kasich

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Polling success and an army of volunteers suggests a bright future. What do you think?

[dudeabides]

I have always liked John Kasich, and I would not mind voting for him in a general election. But he doesn't really have a compelling message. Basically, Kasich is making the argument he's best equipped to lead between his 18 years in Washington D.C. and his 4.5 years as Governor of Ohio. Those supporting him make the argument he's the best establishment candidate because his last name isn't Bush.

Like too many of the other candidates, he might not be ready for prime time. He's not making crazy statements like some of the others, but he is saying some bizarre things none the less. The idea that Roe V. Wade is the law of the land, which he has said, is simply false, judges don't create law they only interpret it. Secondly, using his religion to justify expanding government, specifically medicaid under Obamacare, gives pause to anyone who believes in limited government.

Also, and this is an issue the lame stream media doesn't talk about, Kasich is not a completely free market, low tax guy. In his FY2015 budget plan, Kasich proposed a tax on crude oil and natrual gas - energy has helped the midwest come back faster than basically the rest of the nation following the 2007-2012 recession. We tax corporations, we tax individual income, why should we tax specific industries - it picks winners and losers.

[Thunderbird is the word]

sounds like #Kasichmentum

In all seriousness though I still think that it will be Trump because Kasich, Jeb and Rubio will divide the establishment vote.

[Minnesota Mike]

sounds like #Kasichmentum

In all seriousness though I still think that it will be Trump because Kasich, Jeb and Rubio will divide the establishment vote.

Depending on how fast field clears he has a shot. IMO who ever ends up being the "not Trump" in a head to head vs the Donald will probably end up getting the nomination.  Kasich has as good a shot as anyone at being that guy.

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sounds like #Kasichmentum

In all seriousness though I still think that it will be Trump because Kasich, Jeb and Rubio will divide the establishment vote.

And PATAKI, of course.

[Kingpoleon]

I have always liked John Kasich, and I would not mind voting for him in a general election. But he doesn't really have a compelling message. Basically, Kasich is making the argument he's best equipped to lead between his 18 years in Washington D.C. and his 4.5 years as Governor of Ohio. Those supporting him make the argument he's the best establishment candidate because his last name isn't Bush.

Like too many of the other candidates, he might not be ready for prime time. He's not making crazy statements like some of the others, but he is saying some bizarre things none the less. The idea that Roe V. Wade is the law of the land, which he has said, is simply false, judges don't create law they only interpret it. Secondly, using his religion to justify expanding government, specifically medicaid under Obamacare, gives pause to anyone who believes in limited government.

Also, and this is an issue the lame stream media doesn't talk about, Kasich is not a completely free market, low tax guy. In his FY2015 budget plan, Kasich proposed a tax on crude oil and natrual gas - energy has helped the midwest come back faster than basically the rest of the nation following the 2007-2012 recession. We tax corporations, we tax individual income, why should we tax specific industries - it picks winners and losers.

With all due respect, you are not a party boss.

You don't get to decide the nomination process. Kasich is a breath of fresh air. He's a budget hawk, he's a great negotiator, and, most importantly, he's a uniter. Already, New Hampshire has caught fire. And maybe, just maybe, "This movement will restore hope all across America."

Compared to the inexperienced Jeb Bush, who, by the way, is an honest man and a great guy, Kasich's record on the budget and his promise to make this about growth, right vs. wrong, not right vs. left, and his appeal to Democrats who give him a 47%/45% approval/disapproval rating in Ohio make him the best candidate we can nominate.

This is not about a man. This is not about an election. This is about restoring hope and growth.

That is why it is Kasich has raised an army of volunteers.

[Blair]

The idea that Roe V. Wade is the law of the land, which he has said, is simply false, judges don't create law they only interpret it. Secondly, using his religion to justify expanding government, specifically medicaid under Obamacare, gives pause to anyone who believes in limited government.

Also, and this is an issue the lame stream media doesn't talk about, Kasich is not a completely free market, low tax guy. In his FY2015 budget plan, Kasich proposed a tax on crude oil and natrual gas - energy has helped the midwest come back faster than basically the rest of the nation following the 2007-2012 recession. We tax corporations, we tax individual income, why should we tax specific industries - it picks winners and losers.

Judges virtually do create laws through their interpretation of the Constitution-they just bypass congress. Kasich has the generic position that every republican has deep down-I dislike abortion but what can I do? There's absolutely no difference between what President Romney. President Kasich or President Bush would do on abortions.

Didn't President Bush justify invading Iraq by using Religion? Kettle----Pot

And please, Kasich didn't expand government since as he said the medicaid funds where already going to go to his state-it was paid with Federal tax dollars. Feel free telling a poor person-you can't have any healthcare help because that's big government. Can we stop this claim that Republicans believe in small government

[Simfan34]

Why couldn't Weaver do this for us in 2012?

[Fuzzy Bear]

I have always liked John Kasich, and I would not mind voting for him in a general election. But he doesn't really have a compelling message. Basically, Kasich is making the argument he's best equipped to lead between his 18 years in Washington D.C. and his 4.5 years as Governor of Ohio. Those supporting him make the argument he's the best establishment candidate because his last name isn't Bush.

Like too many of the other candidates, he might not be ready for prime time. He's not making crazy statements like some of the others, but he is saying some bizarre things none the less. The idea that Roe V. Wade is the law of the land, which he has said, is simply false, judges don't create law they only interpret it. Secondly, using his religion to justify expanding government, specifically medicaid under Obamacare, gives pause to anyone who believes in limited government.

Also, and this is an issue the lame stream media doesn't talk about, Kasich is not a completely free market, low tax guy. In his FY2015 budget plan, Kasich proposed a tax on crude oil and natrual gas - energy has helped the midwest come back faster than basically the rest of the nation following the 2007-2012 recession. We tax corporations, we tax individual income, why should we tax specific industries - it picks winners and losers

We pass specific taxes and tax credits/cuts all the time as a means of encouraging growth and discouraging growth in certain areas, ostensibly for the common weal. 

Jeb Bush is hardly a "free market" guy.  Only Rand Paul can truly claim that label.  I'd certainly love to have all the taxpayer subsidies the Bush family has received over the years for its business ventures, eh?

[heatmaster]

Donald Trump is guaranteed to do one thing and it will be a gift from the gods if he does this and implode. His self-destruct button will be triggered by an exchange with Carly Fiorina, her climb in the polls will be at Trump's expense. His tendency to mouth off and utter some impolitic words will trigger this self-destruct button. Hillary and the Democrats hope this is not the case. But Carly will be the gremlin in the works and the strategy for sexist accusations by Hillary will go out the window.

[dudeabides]

I have always liked John Kasich, and I would not mind voting for him in a general election. But he doesn't really have a compelling message. Basically, Kasich is making the argument he's best equipped to lead between his 18 years in Washington D.C. and his 4.5 years as Governor of Ohio. Those supporting him make the argument he's the best establishment candidate because his last name isn't Bush.

Like too many of the other candidates, he might not be ready for prime time. He's not making crazy statements like some of the others, but he is saying some bizarre things none the less. The idea that Roe V. Wade is the law of the land, which he has said, is simply false, judges don't create law they only interpret it. Secondly, using his religion to justify expanding government, specifically medicaid under Obamacare, gives pause to anyone who believes in limited government.

Also, and this is an issue the lame stream media doesn't talk about, Kasich is not a completely free market, low tax guy. In his FY2015 budget plan, Kasich proposed a tax on crude oil and natrual gas - energy has helped the midwest come back faster than basically the rest of the nation following the 2007-2012 recession. We tax corporations, we tax individual income, why should we tax specific industries - it picks winners and losers

We pass specific taxes and tax credits/cuts all the time as a means of encouraging growth and discouraging growth in certain areas, ostensibly for the common weal.  

Jeb Bush is hardly a "free market" guy.  Only Rand Paul can truly claim that label.  I'd certainly love to have all the taxpayer subsidies the Bush family has received over the years for its business ventures, eh?

I disagreed with the $456 million in subsidies Jeb Bush passed as Governor. Just because I support him doesn't mean I agree with him on everything.

But the difference between Jeb Bush and John Kasich is Jeb Bush is a tax-cutter, John Kasich is as well, but he's also supported tax hikes on specific industries - that's not going to create jobs. It's especially not going to create jobs in a region that has benefited from the industry he wants to tax.

Jeb Bush cut taxes, reduced the size of government, privatized services, and has been supportive of free trade, entitlement reform, he's opposed to raising the federal minimum wage, he wants to regulate less, he enacted tort reform, he opposes Obamacare, he is a free market candidate and has a record of fighting for the free market. Even Rand Paul supports "free enterprise zones" which isn't exactly free market - though Rand is also a free market candidate.

I find it funny how you are willing to overlook Donald Trump's corporate welfare, yet you claim Jeb has benefited from corporate welfare when in reality, it was his brother who benefited from it most.

[Cory]

Secondly, using his religion to justify expanding government, specifically medicaid under Obamacare, gives pause to anyone who believes in limited government.

You support someone who used his religion to justify keeping a feeding tube in a brain-dead lady against her husbands will to score cheap political points with the Christian Right. So spare us.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Lol at Kasich not wanting limited government , he was the architect behind the 90s surplus and turned a large Ohio Deficit into a surplus.

[Incipimus iterum]

How much money does the Jeb Bush campaign pay you to spread his message here?

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

This is the same guy who thought that Jon Hunstman was a sure bet for the Republican nomination.

[dudeabides]

This is the same guy who thought that Jon Hunstman was a sure bet for the Republican nomination.

Yup.

How much money does the Jeb Bush campaign pay you to spread his message here?

None, I support the candidate but have my own views as well.

Lol at Kasich not wanting limited government , he was the architect behind the 90s surplus and turned a large Ohio Deficit into a surplus.

He's done a good job as Governor of Ohio, but he did expand medicaid under Obamacare. But the Obamacare medicaid expansion he accepted was to be paid for by taxpayers in all 50 states, his response is that his religion didn't care about balanced budgets.

[Bull Moose Base]

Kasich's mini-NH surge is impressive and no doubt alarming to the Bush campaign, but that has to be viewed in the context that he's so far outspending everyone in NH on advertising. Bush, Rubio, Fiorina and Trump will eventually let it rip in NH and heavily outspend him soon enough so his position as the leading non-Trump there is very precarious. But so far, his strategy looks pretty sound.

[Kingpoleon]

Why couldn't Weaver do this for us in 2012?

Presumably because he didn't have as good a candidate. Huntsman looked great on paper, but he lacked Kasich's emotion, energy, and charisma.

[dudeabides]

Why couldn't Weaver do this for us in 2012?

Presumably because he didn't have as good a candidate. Huntsman looked great on paper, but he lacked Kasich's emotion, energy, and charisma.

Huntsman is far more articulate than Kasich, and he would have probably won in 2012, Kasich is not the most electable candidate in '16.

[Donald Trump 2016 !]

Why couldn't Weaver do this for us in 2012?

Presumably because he didn't have as good a candidate. Huntsman looked great on paper, but he lacked Kasich's emotion, energy, and charisma.

Huntsman is far more articulate than Kasich, and he would have probably won in 2012, Kasich is not the most electable candidate in '16.

Neither is Bush for that matter.

[dudeabides]

Why couldn't Weaver do this for us in 2012?

Presumably because he didn't have as good a candidate. Huntsman looked great on paper, but he lacked Kasich's emotion, energy, and charisma.

Huntsman is far more articulate than Kasich, and he would have probably won in 2012, Kasich is not the most electable candidate in '16.

Neither is Bush for that matter.

I conceded Rubio is the most electable, but Bush is second. Kasich can't make the same inroads with hispanic voters that both Rubio and Bush can. Kasich isn't completely unelectable, for he can win over working-class whites, moderates, and catholics.

[Lief 🗽]

desperate spinning by the media to try and force this milquetoast theofascist nerd down our throats

[dudeabides]

desperate spinning by the media to try and force this milquetoast theofascist nerd down our throats

The only spinning by the media is that your God, Donald Trump, is a conservative.

[Donald Trump 2016 !]

Why couldn't Weaver do this for us in 2012?

Presumably because he didn't have as good a candidate. Huntsman looked great on paper, but he lacked Kasich's emotion, energy, and charisma.

Huntsman is far more articulate than Kasich, and he would have probably won in 2012, Kasich is not the most electable candidate in '16.

Neither is Bush for that matter.

I conceded Rubio is the most electable, but Bush is second. Kasich can't make the same inroads with hispanic voters that both Rubio and Bush can. Kasich isn't completely unelectable, for he can win over working-class whites, moderates, and catholics.

We'll see what the projected trends for Hispanic turnout will be when the primaries start up. Trump's comments and front runner status might encourage huge Hispanic turnout come this election cycle. I agree that Rubio is the most electable.

[dudeabides]

Why couldn't Weaver do this for us in 2012?

Presumably because he didn't have as good a candidate. Huntsman looked great on paper, but he lacked Kasich's emotion, energy, and charisma.

Huntsman is far more articulate than Kasich, and he would have probably won in 2012, Kasich is not the most electable candidate in '16.

Neither is Bush for that matter.

I conceded Rubio is the most electable, but Bush is second. Kasich can't make the same inroads with hispanic voters that both Rubio and Bush can. Kasich isn't completely unelectable, for he can win over working-class whites, moderates, and catholics.

We'll see what the projected trends for Hispanic turnout will be when the primaries start up. Trump's comments and front runner status might encourage huge Hispanic turnout come this election cycle. I agree that Rubio is the most electable.

If Bush, Rubio, Paul, or Kasich are nominated and lose the general election, I would say it's 80% Donald Trump's fault. I really do believe that Rick Santorum's bid in 2012 hurt Mitt Romney - the war on women was used to describe Santorum initially, the Democrats decided to just use it on Romney and it worked.

A weak economic recovery, this Iran deal, and the situation in Iraq & Syria all point to a GOP victory, but changing demographics benefit the Democrats. Therefore, I would say that it's probably a toss-up election, but that's before Donald Trump. Trump's divisive language and hate speech has made this election one of great negativity. He is bringing out the crazies like no one since Pat Buchanan. The majority of Americans don't like this, and that will hurt the GOP. I think Bush, Rubio, Kasich, and Paul will have a chance if they show Americans they aren't Donald Trump. So far, only Bush and Paul have done that. Kasich has actually appeased Trump, Rubio has ignored him.  

For the record, yes, I like John Kasich.