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« on: September 07, 2015, 11:26:18 PM »

If John F. Kennedy wasn't assassinated, would he have lived to see Barack Obama's presidency or would his survival have created an entirely different timeline?
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2015, 11:27:54 PM »

I think he dies in the 1990s.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2015, 11:32:41 PM »


From what I've heard about his health I think he would have died earlier.
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2015, 03:17:18 PM »

He'd have been dead by 1975.
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2015, 03:40:56 PM »

The posters above me are right. I'll say he would've died in the 1980s.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2015, 08:08:15 PM »

Perhaps he would have gotten Edward Kennedy elected. Something he could have done to prevent Chapaquittic or take attention away during Carter campaign in order for Edward to be elected.

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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2015, 08:22:46 PM »

He may well die in office anyway.
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2015, 09:35:22 PM »

How was Kennedy in bad health? He seems pretty healthy in those pictures.

If Kennedy didn't get assassinated and somehow managed to live into the 21st century, what would he have said about President Obama?
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2015, 06:24:41 PM »

He leaves the Catholic Church and becomes an evangelical (A/G). Endorses a Reagan/Goldwater like candidate in 1980 over his brother (Ted doesn't avoid his little tryst with Mary Jo).

For those who think this is impossible; He wasn't the rabid progressive that most think. In fact we would still have liberal/conservative factions in both parties unless there were three major parties.
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2015, 09:49:23 PM »

He leaves the Catholic Church and becomes an evangelical (A/G). Endorses a Reagan/Goldwater like candidate in 1980 over his brother (Ted doesn't avoid his little tryst with Mary Jo).

For those who think this is impossible; He wasn't the rabid progressive that most think. In fact we would still have liberal/conservative factions in both parties unless there were three major parties.
3? Wat?
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2015, 11:45:00 PM »

He leaves the Catholic Church and becomes an evangelical (A/G). Endorses a Reagan/Goldwater like candidate in 1980 over his brother (Ted doesn't avoid his little tryst with Mary Jo).

For those who think this is impossible; He wasn't the rabid progressive that most think. In fact we would still have liberal/conservative factions in both parties unless there were three major parties.

I'll have to disagree that Kennedy leaves the Catholic Church. He seems very faithful to his Catholic faith. Also, it would affect his image if he just go up and left. I mean when he was running for president he gave a great speech referring how since Catholics have served and sacrificed for their country, then they should be able to run for office. Therefore I believe he would continue being a Catholic in faith.
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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2015, 04:17:57 AM »

He leaves the Catholic Church and becomes an evangelical (A/G). Endorses a Reagan/Goldwater like candidate in 1980 over his brother (Ted doesn't avoid his little tryst with Mary Jo).

For those who think this is impossible; He wasn't the rabid progressive that most think. In fact we would still have liberal/conservative factions in both parties unless there were three major parties.

Sorry, but that's completely wrong. The only way JFK would leave the church is if was trying to divorce Jackie-I can't see the LSD taking, pot smoking president who slept with about 200 women in the WH becoming an Evangelical. JFK's faith was always the weakest out of the three brothers-combined with his fear of death I can't see him rushing to religion

JFK was actually socially more progressive than Bobby-JFK was comfortable around gay people where as Bobby was the much more religious figure 
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2015, 02:49:30 AM »

How was Kennedy in bad health? He seems pretty healthy in those pictures.

So did FDR seem far less crippled than he actually he was. The media was willing to hide the truth about FDR and just how incapacitated he was from the public.

JFK didn't need to go that far as most of his problems health wise affected him in ways that were easy to keep hidden whilst in public.
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,393754-2,00.html

I don't think he would have died as early as some are suggesting like 1975, but expecting him to go much beyond 1990 is pushing it, but we will of course never know the answer to that. What condition he would have been in by the 1980's though, with the degenerative back condition, meant his abilities physically would have seriously degraded obviously.
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2015, 02:57:52 AM »

Its very difficult to predict what someone who died at a certain date would have done ten, twenty years down to road. Both in terms of policy, and certainly in terms of personal decisions. People still argue about whether he would have escalated in Vietnam or drawn down and that is a mere months after Dallas. To predict what crisis or shocking event might spark such a religious conversion, is so random as to be mere conjecture. Its possible, but unlikely that a Kennedy would cease to be Catholic in that time frame. Also as a group, most of them never seem to take personally to heart, such crisises and certainly never learn from their mistakes and therefore it is quite hard to have a religious epiphany if you still rely on the checkbook and connections to make unsavory events go away. Also if their is one thing that kept JFK somewhat Conservative on some social issues it would be that Catholicism and the need to not stray too far from what conservative Italo-Irish Democrats would be demanding in the 1960's. Post-Presidency he would be freed to some extent, but his continued political influence would depend on maintaining that White-ethnic base. He probably therefore remains Catholic and if anything becomes less and less attached to such and religion in general. If their is to be some change at all, it would likely be in that direction.
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2015, 11:42:50 AM »

He leaves the Catholic Church and becomes an evangelical (A/G). Endorses a Reagan/Goldwater like candidate in 1980 over his brother (Ted doesn't avoid his little tryst with Mary Jo).

For those who think this is impossible; He wasn't the rabid progressive that most think. In fact we would still have liberal/conservative factions in both parties unless there were three major parties.

Regardless of how freaking conservative you think the sociopath was, he sure as Hell was never going to convert. Even today his family pretends to be Catholic; the man elected as the first Catholic President, with Catholic ancestors and Catholic descendants ain't gonna convert for no reason. As much as I try to stay silent on most of your other thoughts on the Kennedies, this concept has to be squelched immediately.
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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2015, 11:50:31 AM »

In any case, Kennedy continues to rule over a vile police state with a progressive veneer, sacrificing American security abroad for the sake of his "deniability" doctrine. Remembered fondly in popular culture and the media, academics nevertheless soon realize that his presidency is where America began to decline into the state of abject awfulness that followed. Democrats retain the New Deal Coalition to a greater extent. Maybe Republicans don't come into vogue until the 90's this time. If it's conservative in nature, may see someone like Kemp, Gingrich, or one of the 80's/90's southern governors spearhead the ascendancy. If the GOP is stuck in some weird, dystopic Rockefeller Republican mode, we could see the 90's under someone like William Weld, George Pataki, Pete Wilson, etc.
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2015, 05:43:10 PM »

Given his health he probably wouldn't have made it out of the '70s.
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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2015, 09:39:56 AM »

I'll say he would've died in the 1980s.
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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2015, 01:18:20 PM »

JFK was real sick; but almost none knew at the time. He had terrific pains in his back and serveral other illnesses. He would have been dead by 1975, maybe even earlier.

In this photo for example, he leans on the desk because of his back pains.

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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2015, 02:13:15 PM »

He leaves the Catholic Church and becomes an evangelical (A/G). Endorses a Reagan/Goldwater like candidate in 1980 over his brother (Ted doesn't avoid his little tryst with Mary Jo).

For those who think this is impossible; He wasn't the rabid progressive that most think. In fact we would still have liberal/conservative factions in both parties unless there were three major parties.

Yeah...that isn't happening.

Kennedy may not be as progressive as people think today, but he was still viewed as fairly progressive for his time period. For example, one reason JFK's approval ratings dropped in 1963 was because people thought he was moving to quickly on civil rights.

Kennedy likely goes the LBJ route and dies a few years after his term end.
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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2015, 08:15:40 PM »
« Edited: November 02, 2015, 08:17:11 PM by OC »

He would have died, but RF would have lived like his widow, Ethel, who is still around til 2011 or first half of Obama's term like Teddy did.
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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2015, 10:28:01 PM »

JFK was born in 1917, Barack Obama was elected President in 2008, a space of 91 years.

No way JFK lives that long.

He would have defeated Barry Goldwater in 1964, and served two full terms as President.

I doubt LBJ ever becomes President.
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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2015, 10:14:24 AM »

If JFK lives, it's far from certain that the GOP would have nominated Goldwater. No one in the establishment thought any Republican could win in 1964, in part because of the assassination bump, so they didn't try that hard to keep Goldwater from being nominated. They figured conservatives were like a bunch of five-year olds and wanted them to exhaust their energy in a losing campaign so they'd take a nap.
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