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Question: what should be done with it?
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stay part of UK
 
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gain independence
 
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join the Republic of Ireland
 
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« on: May 11, 2005, 10:51:29 AM »

since I'm Protestant, I support unification with the UK.
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2005, 10:55:28 AM »

Whichever is the will of the majority of the Northern Irish. If I were N. Irish, despite myself being a protestant, I would support integration into the Republic of Ireland. 
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2005, 11:22:27 AM »

I once proposed a solution involving forced relocation of the Protestant population to Southern Italy, of the Catholic population the Norway, massive handouts to make up for the loss, and an engineering team and enormous amounts of dynamite. Grin
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2005, 11:24:12 AM »

since I'm Protestant, I support unification with the UK.

Why for you are the two correlated?

the correlation is NI is almost direct, Catholics = nationalist, Protestants = unionist.
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2005, 12:02:29 PM »

in every case, no. But I can't see any benefit to Protestants from unification with the Republic, even if it is becoming a much better place to live than it was 10 years ago.
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2005, 12:53:26 PM »

I've always been one for some sort of duel soveriegnty deal... although in practice the province should be able to run itself on a day to day basis.
Part of the problem with that is the collapse of NI's economy due to the troubles...
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2005, 01:23:35 PM »

I'd like to see Northern Ireland remain an integral part of the United Kingdom

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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2005, 02:28:09 PM »

Obviously, the ultimate decision should rest with the people of Northern Ireland themselves. Personally, I would prefer continued union with the United Kingdom, but I would not presume to say that N.I. "should" do anything.
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2005, 02:39:01 PM »

I'd like to have it possible for them to be independent, but I don't see that as a very good choice.  Putting that aside, unification with Ireland is the best step in my mind.
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2005, 03:06:16 PM »

I believe that the six counties of Ulster should remain part of the United Kingdom. No one disputes that the British used deplorable means to annex Ireland, but they did this at a time when no clear procedure existed under international law to return such lands to their prior owners. For this reason, the British annexation is legally legitimate.
Also, Protestants are the numerical majority in Northern Ireland. As a matter of popular sovereignty, it seems logical to continue the current status. I think the area is far better served to stay with the United Kingdom than become part of the backward and shameful political culture of Ireland.
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2005, 06:56:09 PM »

I have Irish citizenship, so I tend to identify a bit more with the ideal of the island being a single state.  Culturally, Northern Ireland is a bit different from its southern counterpart - so it makes sense to have a autonomous solution but with a federal Irish supremacy.

Really, it's not THAT big of a deal either way.    I doubt the people in Northern Ireland would be that strongly influenced either way either.  So, for me, it comes down to what I like better on the map.
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2005, 12:48:29 AM »

Option 3.
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2005, 03:16:41 AM »

I've always been one for some sort of duel soveriegnty deal... although in practice the province should be able to run itself on a day to day basis.
It's called the "Good Friday Accord". The UK doesn't ahve wholly sovereign rights in Northern Ireland anymore.
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not to mention the earlier collapse due to partition (which was followed by a wartime and postwar boom)...
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2005, 03:19:41 AM »

It's called the "Good Friday Accord". The UK doesn't ahve wholly sovereign rights in Northern Ireland anymore.

I know. Great isn't it?
Shame various idiots on both sides had to collapse Stormont (again) though...

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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2005, 11:20:36 AM »

I think the area is far better served to stay with the United Kingdom than become part of the backward and shameful political culture of Ireland.

Just interested in why you perceive Ireland to have a "backward and shameful political culture".

Because Ireland doesn't exactly have liberal abortion laws... yes migrendel really *is* like that... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2005, 03:48:35 AM »

I think the area is far better served to stay with the United Kingdom than become part of the backward and shameful political culture of Ireland.

Just interested in why you perceive Ireland to have a "backward and shameful political culture".

Because Ireland doesn't exactly have liberal abortion laws... yes migrendel really *is* like that... Roll Eyes
Didn't use to have very liberal divorce laws either. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2005, 08:06:25 AM »

I think the area is far better served to stay with the United Kingdom than become part of the backward and shameful political culture of Ireland.

Just interested in why you perceive Ireland to have a "backward and shameful political culture".

Because Ireland doesn't exactly have liberal abortion laws... yes migrendel really *is* like that... Roll Eyes
Didn't use to have very liberal divorce laws either. Roll Eyes

Well if one starts judging places on the laws they used to have, then surely nowhere if free from harsh criticism.
Yep, very true.
But this is within the memory of even young people like us...
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