Theresa May vs. Jeremy Corbyn

[Phony Moderate]

Once again, international politics makes me glad to live in America.

Both Corbyn and May are dreadful, so I'd be voting for the Lib Dems in this scenario.

How dare politicians hold actual opinions!

Here we go again.

Contrary to accepted true leftist doctrine, it is possible to hold opinions without being an extremist. Taking positions that are blatantly counterfactual and that sacrifice accuracy for pizzaz does not make the speaker a hero, it makes him stupid.

I'm most certainly not a True Leftist. Nor is the man who just kept Lord Falconer in the Shadow Cabinet.

My point was that the average British politician of any stripe is more likely to hold actual opinions than the average U.S. one.

[Green Line]

Can we get Ed Milliband back?

This, this a million times.

Miliband might be one of the best PMs Britain never had.

Fortunately for the UK he lost to one of the best PMs Britain ever did have.

[Oakvale]

Can we get Ed Milliband back?

This, this a million times.

Miliband might be one of the best PMs Britain never had.

Fortunately for the UK he lost to one of the best PMs Britain ever did have.

I think the hysteria over how awful Cameron is is silly but this is as bad a post as the idea that Ed Miliband was one of the great statesmen of our times.


e: I would vote Lib Dem in such a match-up although if you put the gun to my head I couldn't possible vote for a Corybn-led Labour, so...

[Intell]

Corbyn, sane, actual leftist. However i will admit, I don't agree with him on foreign policy, and the opening of coal mines, however his economic and euro policies are in line with me, he's better than most anyways.

Once again, international politics makes me glad to live in America.

Both Corbyn and May are dreadful, so I'd be voting for the Lib Dems in this scenario.

Yea, I'd be open to voting for Farron if I was in the UK, he's good, however the selection of corbyn by the labor party, makes me more inclined to vote labor not libdem. What's wrong with Corbyn specifically though?

The sad part is Corbyn fits the socialist stereotype much better than Sanders, by far.

What's specifically wrong, with being a leftist, democratic-socialist like corbyn?

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

I think Corbyn recognises that the deep coal mines are dead for good. The SNP in fact mused about reconvening the coal pits for a bit of populist bragging, but that never came about to anything.

[Blair]

Have people forgotten when the Lib Dems ran as the alternative anti-labour party in 2010 and proceeded to take a dump on progressive politics.

Tim Farron is awful

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/18/tim-farron-avoids-saying-whether-he-sees-gay-sex-as-a-sin

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Once again, international politics makes me glad to live in America.

Both Corbyn and May are dreadful, so I'd be voting for the Lib Dems in this scenario.

Yea, I'd be open to voting for Farron if I was in the UK, he's good, however the selection of corbyn by the labor party, makes me more inclined to vote labor not libdem. What's wrong with Corbyn specifically though?

His foreign policy views, mainly. I'm not anxious to see a Hugo Chavez supporter who wants to withdraw from NATO at the helm of the UK.

That said, I strongly agree with his stance on the refugee crisis and immigration in general.

My point was that the average British politician of any stripe is more likely to hold actual opinions than the average U.S. one.

Fair enough.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

What is the point of NATO nowadays? I mean, it's not like Corbyn will make a serious effort to leave it (after all, many, many leftists have promised to leave NATO and yet the only leader that has managed to is, err, De Gaulle) but surely it's very much strayed way from its original purpose.

Anyway, both pro and anti corbynites must remember to compare the rhetoric and action of the British Left. After all, Livingstone was known as quite the lefist troll, annoying Thatcher and Blair and warbling around with various Latin American populists; but his stewardship of London was widely noted as very technocratic and even moderate.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Corbyn's deputy (who was also directly elected as well) is very much pro NATO etc, do note.

[politicus]

What is the point of NATO nowadays? I mean, it's not like Corbyn will make a serious effort to leave it (after all, many, many leftists have promised to leave NATO and yet the only leader that has managed to is, err, De Gaulle) but surely it's very much strayed way from its original purpose.

NATO has a useful command structure if you want Western countries to conduct joint military actions (and I do), but you need to severely over estimate the military capabilities of Russia (or be paranoid about Iran) to claim it is a necessity as such. Wanting to leave NATO should not be enough to qualify as a radical. It is not an unreasonable position.