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Bigby
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« on: September 29, 2015, 11:19:05 PM »


Make the above map a possible 2016 outcome. With a PoD no earlier than after the 1948 election, make it to where this sort of map would be a realistic map that political scientists would not be deathly confused with.

5 Closest States:

1. New Mexico (50.1% - 49.1%)
2. Indiana (51.5% - 47.9%)
3. Kentucky (52.2% - 47.3%)
4. Massachusetts (54.3% - 44.6%)
5. New York (55.0% - 47.5%)

Mandatory Requirements:

1. If a law similar to the 1965 Immigration Law passed, it must be weaker than its OTL counterpart. Immigration patterns may be different, but nothing too radical.
2. Unions are solidly pro-Dem, for both industrial workers and farmers, due to a Republican-aligned court making the whole nation have a right-to-work law some time by the mid 70's to early 90's. The GOP is definitely more fiscally conservative, but by how much and how socially liberal or conservative they are is fair game.
3. The US is still as industrial as it was before the 90's. Protectionism must be at least somewhat stronger than OTL.
4. The Soviet Union is still around, but East Germany is not. Germany is reunified and at least the Baltic States are free of Soviet control.
5. Electoral votes do not have to flow as OTL. The 2016 map above is a Republican landslide with no less than 310 EVs for the GOP candidate.

Let's see what people come up with.
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Kingpoleon
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2015, 11:56:08 PM »

1961-1969: Former Gov. Happy Chandler(D-KY)/Sen. Frank Lausche(D-OH)
1969-1977: Gov. Nelson Rockefeller(R-NY)/Sen. Ronald Reagan(R-CA)
1977-1985: Sen. Fred Harris(D-OK)/Sen. Edmund Muskie(D-ME)
1985-1989: Vice Pres. Ed Muskie(D-ME)*/Gov. James Carter(D-GA)
1989-1995: Sen. Paul Tsongas(D-MA)**/Gov. Howard Dean(D-VT)
1995-2005: Vice Pres. Howard Dean(D-VT)/Sen. Carol Braun(D-IL)
2005-2009: Rep. Barry Goldwater, Jr.(R-CA)/Gov. Christine Whitman(R-NJ)
2009-2017: Se. Hubert Humphrey, III(D-MN)/Rep. Niki Tsongas(D-MA)

*Retired
**Assassinated

2016 Map:
Sen. Jeff Flake(R-AZ)/Gov. Cory Booker(D-NJ)
Sen. Carte Goodwin(D-WV)/Gov. Ben Chandler(D-KY)
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Bigby
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2015, 05:37:50 PM »

That's very interesting yet also very chaotic and dystopian. Interesting.

Keep churning ideas, readers.
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Bigby
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2015, 07:57:32 PM »

That's very interesting yet also very chaotic and dystopian. Interesting.

Keep churning ideas, readers.

I never really thought of it as dystopian.  In fact, I started to think I made late 1958- early 1971 and the 1980's too utopian.  Maybe I overcompensated with the alternate 1970's?  To me, it's pretty ambiguous whether an average American would prefer our world or the alternative one.

It was still a good read, don't get me wrong.
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bagelman
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2015, 10:08:48 PM »

That's very interesting yet also very chaotic and dystopian. Interesting.

Keep churning ideas, readers.

I never really thought of it as dystopian.  In fact, I started to think I made late 1958- early 1971 and the 1980's too utopian.  Maybe I overcompensated with the alternate 1970's?  To me, it's pretty ambiguous whether an average American would prefer our world or the alternative one.

I'd probably like living in that world in modern times, but it's not objectively better or worse than our TL. Great piece of work.
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Kingpoleon
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2015, 06:46:46 PM »

1961-1969: Former Gov. Happy Chandler(D-KY)/Sen. Frank Lausche(D-OH)
1969-1977: Gov. Nelson Rockefeller(R-NY)/Sen. Ronald Reagan(R-CA)
1977-1985: Sen. Fred Harris(D-OK)/Sen. Edmund Muskie(D-ME)
1985-1989: Vice Pres. Ed Muskie(D-ME)*/Gov. James Carter(D-GA)
1989-1995: Sen. Paul Tsongas(D-MA)**/Gov. Howard Dean(D-VT)
1995-2005: Vice Pres. Howard Dean(D-VT)/Sen. Carol Braun(D-IL)
2005-2009: Rep. Barry Goldwater, Jr.(R-CA)/Gov. Christine Whitman(R-NJ)
2009-2017: Se. Hubert Humphrey, III(D-MN)/Rep. Niki Tsongas(D-MA)

*Retired
**Assassinated

2016 Map:
Sen. Jeff Flake(R-AZ)/Gov. Cory Booker(R-NJ)
Sen. Carte Goodwin(D-WV)/Gov. Ben Chandler(D-KY)
I picture the 2012 map looking like this:

California, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, and the North-East are the swing areas.
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Bigby
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2015, 06:48:26 PM »

Oh, that reminds me, Kingpoleon, how does Cory Booker end up in the GOP? I don't object, but I'm just curious.
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