Australia General Discussion 2.0

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Prediction: Turnbull is rolled next year.

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There's been serious hijinks surrounding Bob Day, a Family First senator until yesterday. It's quite complicated and it involves his housing company, party finance and the possibility he was never legitimately elected in the first place.

My main takeaway: a minor party crossbencher turns out to be crooked? What a shocker!

(Oh yeah we missed a whole lot of Abbott/Turnbull feuding a week or so ago about guns, and the (crooked) crossbencher David Leyonhjelm. Nobody came across very well, least of all Abbott who appears to believe he can swoop back in KRudd style, apparently forgetting that the public quite liked KRudd, even if his party didn't. At the moment neither the parliamentarians nor the public particularly approve of Abbott, so God knows what his game is.

[Lachi]

There's been serious hijinks surrounding Bob Day, a Family First senator until yesterday. It's quite complicated and it involves his housing company, party finance and the possibility he was never legitimately elected in the first place.

My main takeaway: a minor party crossbencher turns out to be crooked? What a shocker!

(Oh yeah we missed a whole lot of Abbott/Turnbull feuding a week or so ago about guns, and the (crooked) crossbencher David Leyonhjelm. Nobody came across very well, least of all Abbott who appears to believe he can swoop back in KRudd style, apparently forgetting that the public quite liked KRudd, even if his party didn't. At the moment neither the parliamentarians nor the public particularly approve of Abbott, so God knows what his game is.

Abbott or not, the L/NP is heading for a crushing defeat in 2019.

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"The Coalition will consider a form of carbon pricing for power companies as part of a long-awaited review of Australia's climate policies, Environment and Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg has confirmed."

Kek

Kek

[Lachi]

BREAKING NEWS: MIKE BAIRD, L/NP PREMIER OF NEW SOUTH WALES RETIRES NEXT WEEK

https://mobile.twitter.com/mikebairdMP/status/821840888988975104?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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BREAKING NEWS: Vegemite is set to return to Australian ownership

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-19/bega-buys-vegemite-mondelez/8193268

Vegemite has returned to Australian ownership after a hiatus of foreign ownership.



I thought it was lost forever.

[Lachi]

3 DEAD, AT LEAST 25 INJURED AFTER MAN DRIVES THROUGH BOURKE STREET MALL IN MELBOURNE THIS AFTERNOON, RIGHT BLAMES ISLAM, THEY ARE WRONG

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/bourke-street-mall-incident-what-we-know-so-far-20170120-gtvg2x.html

The right wing has come out of the woodwork again about the event on Swanston and Bourke streets this afternoon. Even though the man who did this was an Australian of Greek descent, the right keeps spreading this bullsh**t about him being Muslim, was from the Middle East, saying 'Allahu Akbar" etc. How we allow these people to keep spreading their hate and bigotry in 2017 is just disgusting.

My thoughts go out to all of the families affected by this incident, and hope that those who have been injured make a quick recovery.

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The Coalition is polling at its lowest level since the times of Abbott's removal form the Prime Ministership, with Labor now leading in both the Primary Vote, and the TPP vote. The worrying thing about this poll is the rise of One Nation, who is polling just under the Greens (10 GRN, 9 ON)

FULL POLL: http://www.essentialvision.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Essential-Report_170124.pdf

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The good news is that if the Coalition keeps trailing Labor, then Turnbull will *have* to be replaced - that is the very metric he set when deposing Abbott.  The bad news is that anyone who would replace him (Abbott in particular) would only continue to embarrass Australia on the global stage while running the economy into the ground and pretending that the future is coal.  Slim pickings among the Coalition, after all.

Not that I mind, particularly - watching Turnbull over the last week (especially, but not limited to, his disastrous interview with Stan Grant), it's better from my perspective for the government to be inept rather than effective, so Turnbull is welcome, by all means, to continue leading the Coalition until they get the defeat they so badly deserve.

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Cory Bernardi is leaving the Liberal Party.

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Cory Bernardi is leaving the Liberal Party.

To sit as an independent, to join One Nation, or to start his own political movement?

[Lachi]

Cory Bernardi is leaving the Liberal Party.

To sit as an independent, to join One Nation, or to start his own political movement?

He'll be creating the Conservative party, or, at least, that's what I have been reading.

EDIT: from what I am seeing, the new party will be called the Australian Conservative Party. This is the logo for that party on Bernadi's site

[Lachi]

The good news is that if the Coalition keeps trailing Labor, then Turnbull will *have* to be replaced - that is the very metric he set when deposing Abbott.  The bad news is that anyone who would replace him (Abbott in particular) would only continue to embarrass Australia on the global stage while running the economy into the ground and pretending that the future is coal.  Slim pickings among the Coalition, after all.

Not that I mind, particularly - watching Turnbull over the last week (especially, but not limited to, his disastrous interview with Stan Grant), it's better from my perspective for the government to be inept rather than effective, so Turnbull is welcome, by all means, to continue leading the Coalition until they get the defeat they so badly deserve.

Worse for them, who ever won this year had the displeasure of knowing that they WILL lose in a landslide in the next election, regardless of the party who won, because that is just what happens in our government.

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Cory Bernardi is leaving the Liberal Party.

To sit as an independent, to join One Nation, or to start his own political movement?

He'll be creating the Conservative party, or, at least, that's what I have been reading.

EDIT: from what I am seeing, the new party will be called the Australian Conservative Party. This is the logo for that party on Bernadi's site

Any odds of that working?

[Lachi]

Cory Bernardi is leaving the Liberal Party.

To sit as an independent, to join One Nation, or to start his own political movement?

He'll be creating the Conservative party, or, at least, that's what I have been reading.

EDIT: from what I am seeing, the new party will be called the Australian Conservative Party. This is the logo for that party on Bernadi's site

Any odds of that working?

I don't think, and hope it doesn't work, because if it did, it would pose an even bigger threat than One Nation does.

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I'd hope it does -- it'd be a positive development for a less ridiculous far-right party than One Nation to emerge, both to stifle One Nation and to continue to foster the growth of the third-party vote in Australia, leading hopefully to the eventual collapse of the duopoly.

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I tend to think they won't get too far. The most vulnerable part of the LNP is probably the bush area; and I don't see them going for a true-blue party when more populist and protectionist outfits are available (whether they be One Nation, rural independents (like Xenephon) or the single-issue parties).

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I tend to think they won't get too far. The most vulnerable part of the LNP is probably the bush area; and I don't see them going for a true-blue party when more populist and protectionist outfits are available (whether they be One Nation, rural independents (like Xenephon) or the single-issue parties).

I'm inclined to agree. Most conservatives will likely avoid Bernardi; he doesn't really have a good reputation in SA political circles, to put it lightly. Apparently, not even many state Liberals can stand him.

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Bernardi will go well.

Pauline Hanson is someone who has been tainted with her views on immigrants and religion.

She will get 10-15% of the votes in the upcoming WA state election.

With Donald Trump being elected in the USA, there is a desire in Australia to introduce a Pauline style candidate but with a little more intelligence.

Pauline is a few Mb short of a Gb to pit it nicely.

But even so, very popular now.

It really comes down to what he is proposing.

Let's see his policies. We do have issues with home grown terrorism. We do have issues with massive welfare dependence by refugees. We do have issues with employment where manufacturing has gone to China and Japan.

Australia will go broke as a welfar state unless we turn it around.

If he sells that line, he will get votes.

[Lachi]

Bernardi will go well.

Pauline Hanson is someone who has been tainted with her views on immigrants and religion.

She will get 10-15% of the votes in the upcoming WA state election.

With Donald Trump being elected in the USA, there is a desire in Australia to introduce a Pauline style candidate but with a little more intelligence.

Pauline is a few Mb short of a Gb to pit it nicely.

But even so, very popular now.

It really comes down to what he is proposing.

Let's see his policies. We do have issues with home grown terrorism. We do have issues with massive welfare dependence by refugees. We do have issues with employment where manufacturing has gone to China and Japan.

Australia will go broke as a welfar state unless we turn it around.

If he sells that line, he will get votes.

One Nation will get 5-8 percent at most in WA. Queensland would be a very different story however, IF they had their election this year, ON I would think they would be getting 5-10 seats, with around 15-18 percent.

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Quoted for posterity. In regional WA, she will go nuts.

It's amazing in the context that she only chose candidates three weeks ago, and then the election is a month away.

Some of the candidates were of questionable character.

Bernardi will be watching closely. He thinks he can pull off a Trumpy but our politcal system will shut him out.

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Quoted for posterity. In regional WA, she will go nuts.

It's amazing in the context that she only chose candidates three weeks ago, and then the election is a month away.

Some of the candidates were of questionable character.

Bernardi will be watching closely. He thinks he can pull off a Trumpy but our politcal system will shut him out.

Bernardi's an idiot anyway. He says upfront that climate change is a hoax, that accepting gay marriage will lead to bestiality, and that he will resist any attempts at installing renewable energy sources.

He could just go to the US where his overlord lives.

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http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-07/politics-live-february-7/8244290

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Ahh, it's fun watching the right wing fall to pieces

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Ahh, it's fun watching the right wing fall to pieces

His leaving makes me more likely to vote Liberal. Not less.