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« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2015, 03:52:41 PM »

FIorina is pro-choice, and she will lose some Evangelicals to simply not voting for President or voting for a protest 3rd party candidate.   I don't see her as the kind of social liberal to get enough votes in CA to switch from the Democrats to her, pro-choice or not.

Let's pretend for a minute:  Let's say she gets the GOP nomination, social liberalism and all.  That's a big "pretend", but Fiorina will be nominated by the GOP before Bob Casey will be nominated by the Democrats.  Let's say Fiorina were to run as a pro-choice, pro-SSM, Kim-Davis-Needs-To-Follow-The-Law Republican with a standard Business Republican economic agenda.  Are there enough Democrats in states like CA, NY, etc. who would vote for a socially liberal Republican with a conservative economic agenda that would move the electoral map?

Fiorina is not pro-choice.
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« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2015, 03:55:06 PM »

FIorina is pro-choice, and she will lose some Evangelicals to simply not voting for President or voting for a protest 3rd party candidate.   I don't see her as the kind of social liberal to get enough votes in CA to switch from the Democrats to her, pro-choice or not.

So pro choice that she invented a total lie about there being live fetuses in the Planned Parenthood videos?
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« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2015, 03:55:50 PM »

FIorina is pro-choice, and she will lose some Evangelicals to simply not voting for President or voting for a protest 3rd party candidate.   I don't see her as the kind of social liberal to get enough votes in CA to switch from the Democrats to her, pro-choice or not.

Let's pretend for a minute:  Let's say she gets the GOP nomination, social liberalism and all.  That's a big "pretend", but Fiorina will be nominated by the GOP before Bob Casey will be nominated by the Democrats.  Let's say Fiorina were to run as a pro-choice, pro-SSM, Kim-Davis-Needs-To-Follow-The-Law Republican with a standard Business Republican economic agenda.  Are there enough Democrats in states like CA, NY, etc. who would vote for a socially liberal Republican with a conservative economic agenda that would move the electoral map?

Fiorina is not pro-choice.

That's one of the main things about her - she's definitively pro-life.
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« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2015, 03:56:30 PM »

FIorina is pro-choice, and she will lose some Evangelicals to simply not voting for President or voting for a protest 3rd party candidate.   I don't see her as the kind of social liberal to get enough votes in CA to switch from the Democrats to her, pro-choice or not.

Let's pretend for a minute:  Let's say she gets the GOP nomination, social liberalism and all.  That's a big "pretend", but Fiorina will be nominated by the GOP before Bob Casey will be nominated by the Democrats.  Let's say Fiorina were to run as a pro-choice, pro-SSM, Kim-Davis-Needs-To-Follow-The-Law Republican with a standard Business Republican economic agenda.  Are there enough Democrats in states like CA, NY, etc. who would vote for a socially liberal Republican with a conservative economic agenda that would move the electoral map?

Fiorina is not pro-choice.

I have heard that she was.  If she changed for this race alone, that's not going to help.
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« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2015, 05:24:14 PM »

FIorina is pro-choice, and she will lose some Evangelicals to simply not voting for President or voting for a protest 3rd party candidate.   I don't see her as the kind of social liberal to get enough votes in CA to switch from the Democrats to her, pro-choice or not.

Let's pretend for a minute:  Let's say she gets the GOP nomination, social liberalism and all.  That's a big "pretend", but Fiorina will be nominated by the GOP before Bob Casey will be nominated by the Democrats.  Let's say Fiorina were to run as a pro-choice, pro-SSM, Kim-Davis-Needs-To-Follow-The-Law Republican with a standard Business Republican economic agenda.  Are there enough Democrats in states like CA, NY, etc. who would vote for a socially liberal Republican with a conservative economic agenda that would move the electoral map?

Huh   

Fiorina is definitely not Pro-choice....
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« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2015, 05:24:56 PM »

FIorina is pro-choice, and she will lose some Evangelicals to simply not voting for President or voting for a protest 3rd party candidate.   I don't see her as the kind of social liberal to get enough votes in CA to switch from the Democrats to her, pro-choice or not.

Let's pretend for a minute:  Let's say she gets the GOP nomination, social liberalism and all.  That's a big "pretend", but Fiorina will be nominated by the GOP before Bob Casey will be nominated by the Democrats.  Let's say Fiorina were to run as a pro-choice, pro-SSM, Kim-Davis-Needs-To-Follow-The-Law Republican with a standard Business Republican economic agenda.  Are there enough Democrats in states like CA, NY, etc. who would vote for a socially liberal Republican with a conservative economic agenda that would move the electoral map?

Fiorina is not pro-choice.

That's one of the main things about her - she's definitively pro-life.

let's not use the word "pro-life" to describe ms. ww3 Tongue
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« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2015, 05:25:55 PM »

California hates Carly. Twelve point loss in Senate race during monumental Republican wave when the polls had it close for most of the cycle.
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« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2015, 05:26:17 PM »

Uh, no.
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« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2015, 06:46:11 PM »
« Edited: September 17, 2015, 06:49:03 PM by heatmaster »

Mehmentum & Torie, is your comfort zone being encroached upon?...aw....that's terrible...We can't be upsetting you nice Democrats....that would be...like...like..so uncool, to actually contemplate California going Republican....After all you guys...like maybe own it and stuff....that's too bad dude😎
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« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2015, 06:49:23 PM »

Mehmentum & Torie, is your comfort zone being encroached upon?...aw....that's terrible...We can't be upsetting you nice Democrats....that would be...like...like..so uncool, to actually contemplate California going Republican....After all you guys...like maybe own it and stuff....that's to bad dude😎

You do realize that if you're really interested in seeing how Carly Fiorina does statewide in California, you don't even need to leave uselectionatlas.org, right?

In 2010, a Republican wave year, no less.
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« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2015, 06:51:12 PM »

The OP thought 2012 would be a huge Romney win. Look how that turned out.
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« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2015, 06:54:51 PM »

No, not with Kamela Harris the Dem nominee for Senate.
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« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2015, 06:56:15 PM »

The answer is no.
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« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2015, 07:17:23 PM »

Maybe the Democrats should try to get Wendy Davis to run. I bet she'll put Texas in play.
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« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2015, 07:34:47 PM »

FIorina is pro-choice, and she will lose some Evangelicals to simply not voting for President or voting for a protest 3rd party candidate.   I don't see her as the kind of social liberal to get enough votes in CA to switch from the Democrats to her, pro-choice or not.

Let's pretend for a minute:  Let's say she gets the GOP nomination, social liberalism and all.  That's a big "pretend", but Fiorina will be nominated by the GOP before Bob Casey will be nominated by the Democrats.  Let's say Fiorina were to run as a pro-choice, pro-SSM, Kim-Davis-Needs-To-Follow-The-Law Republican with a standard Business Republican economic agenda.  Are there enough Democrats in states like CA, NY, etc. who would vote for a socially liberal Republican with a conservative economic agenda that would move the electoral map?

Fiorina is not pro-choice.

I have heard that she was.  If she changed for this race alone, that's not going to help.

You are deeply mistaken, she's always run as a pro-lifer.
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« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2015, 07:56:19 PM »

Mehmentum & Torie, is your comfort zone being encroached upon?...aw....that's terrible...We can't be upsetting you nice Democrats....that would be...like...like..so uncool, to actually contemplate California going Republican....After all you guys...like maybe own it and stuff....that's too bad dude😎

Honey, I have probably voted for more CA Pubs than the number of months you have graced this planet with your presence.
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« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2015, 08:50:58 PM »

I guess I blew this one.  Fiorina's more or less pro-life; she does advocate the "rape/incest" exception.
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« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2015, 09:20:29 PM »

FIorina is pro-choice, and she will lose some Evangelicals to simply not voting for President or voting for a protest 3rd party candidate.   I don't see her as the kind of social liberal to get enough votes in CA to switch from the Democrats to her, pro-choice or not.

So pro choice that she invented a total lie about there being live fetuses in the Planned Parenthood videos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzMAycMMXp8&feature=youtu.be&t=357
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« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2015, 06:36:05 AM »

Mehmentum & Torie, is your comfort zone being encroached upon?...aw....that's terrible...We can't be upsetting you nice Democrats....that would be...like...like..so uncool, to actually contemplate California going Republican....After all you guys...like maybe own it and stuff....that's too bad dude😎

Honey, I have probably voted for more CA Pubs than the number of months you have graced this planet with your presence.

It's weird seeing you with a D avatar. What made you change?
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« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2015, 10:20:46 AM »

FIorina is pro-choice, and she will lose some Evangelicals to simply not voting for President or voting for a protest 3rd party candidate.   I don't see her as the kind of social liberal to get enough votes in CA to switch from the Democrats to her, pro-choice or not.

So pro choice that she invented a total lie about there being live fetuses in the Planned Parenthood videos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzMAycMMXp8&feature=youtu.be&t=357

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Two points:

1) The fetus in the film is not the one that's being described by the woman. It's stock footage, and it could just as easily be from a premature birth or a miscarriage. There's no evidence it's from an abortion, let alone one which would be used to harvest tissues.

2) Nobody says to keep it alive to harvest it's brain, and there's no clear heartbeat. In fact, when a woman gets a late-term abortion, they stop the heartbeat chemically before they even begin to remove the fetus - meaning if there were a heartbeat, it would again imply that this is footage from either a miscarriage or premature birth.
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« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2015, 01:31:23 PM »

Even if she ran the best possible campaign and the Democratic nominee ran a horrid campaign I say she might get around 45-47% max in the state

in that same scenario, she might be able to put Oregon in play but California is not happening
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« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2015, 03:09:02 PM »

She may, with luck, get 40 or 42%. Though, most likely, she will not do that well.
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« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2015, 09:23:16 PM »

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« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2015, 09:59:51 PM »

No, she couldn't carry CA.  But, if she managed to get 40+% of the vote, it would wipe a few million votes off the Democrat's national total compared with 2008 and 2012.  So, this could help foster a GOP popular vote win nationwide.
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« Reply #49 on: September 25, 2015, 12:03:20 AM »

4 years ago didn't someone say that Romney would beat Obama 52-48 in CA?
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