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« Reply #50 on: September 28, 2015, 12:06:03 PM »

These are the people writing our new Constitution

Northeast: Oakvale, Winfield, RGN08, Clyde1998
Mideast: JCL, Windjammer, vivaportugalhabs, NeverAgain
South: NCYankee, Leinad, Adam Griffin
Midwest: Cris, Marokai
Pacific: Simfan, Classic Conservative
Senators: Kalwejt, Lumine, RPryor, Harry S Truman, PiT
conservative: Tmthforu94, Clark Kent
progressive: Bore, evergreen
centrist: (to be determined; BMotley and pikachu currently tied with 2 votes each)

At least 17 of these 25 esteemed delegates must vote in favor of the final draft for it to pass

What is the mechanism for breaking this tie?
They are tied at 1st round, but it's STV (the same system of federal and regional elections).
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« Reply #51 on: September 28, 2015, 12:21:20 PM »

These are the people writing our new Constitution

Northeast: Oakvale, Winfield, RGN08, Clyde1998
Mideast: JCL, Windjammer, vivaportugalhabs, NeverAgain
South: NCYankee, Leinad, Adam Griffin
Midwest: Cris, Marokai
Pacific: Simfan, Classic Conservative
Senators: Kalwejt, Lumine, RPryor, Harry S Truman, PiT
conservative: Tmthforu94, Clark Kent
progressive: Bore, evergreen
centrist: (to be determined; BMotley and pikachu currently tied with 2 votes each)

At least 17 of these 25 esteemed delegates must vote in favor of the final draft for it to pass

What is the mechanism for breaking this tie?

It is a vote currently occurring in the Senate:
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=219586.msg4739865#msg4739865

At the moment, BMotley is now leading with three votes compared to pikachu's two (and five Senators yet to vote)
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« Reply #52 on: September 28, 2015, 04:10:29 PM »

These are the people writing our new Constitution

Northeast: Oakvale, Winfield, RGN08, Clyde1998
Mideast: JCL, Windjammer, vivaportugalhabs, NeverAgain
South: NCYankee, Leinad, Adam Griffin
Midwest: Cris, Marokai
Pacific: Simfan, Classic Conservative
Senators: Kalwejt, Lumine, RPryor, Harry S Truman, PiT
conservative: Tmthforu94, Clark Kent
progressive: Bore, evergreen
centrist: (to be determined; BMotley and pikachu currently tied with 2 votes each)

At least 17 of these 25 esteemed delegates must vote in favor of the final draft for it to pass

What is the mechanism for breaking this tie?

It's ranked-choice voting.
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« Reply #53 on: September 29, 2015, 12:52:03 AM »


He is not going to be in this convention. Tongue
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« Reply #54 on: September 29, 2015, 05:06:29 PM »

Finalized list of delegates:

Northeast: Oakvale, Winfield, RGN08, Clyde1998
Mideast: JCL, Windjammer, vivaportugalhabs, NeverAgain
South: NCYankee, Leinad, Adam Griffin
Midwest: Cris, Marokai
Pacific: Simfan, Classic Conservative
Senators: Kalwejt, Lumine, RPryor, Harry S Truman, PiT
conservative: Tmthforu94, Clark Kent
progressive: Bore, evergreen
centrist: BMotley
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« Reply #55 on: September 29, 2015, 05:16:59 PM »

Finalized list of delegates:

Northeast: Oakvale, Winfield, RGN08, Clyde1998
Mideast: JCL, Windjammer, vivaportugalhabs, NeverAgain
South: NCYankee, Leinad, Adam Griffin
Midwest: Cris, Marokai
Pacific: Simfan, Classic Conservative
Senators: Kalwejt, Lumine, RPryor, Harry S Truman, PiT
conservative: Tmthforu94, Clark Kent
progressive: Bore, evergreen
centrist: BMotley

And I note all of them have now signed in so the ConCon can start now guys
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« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2015, 04:15:03 AM »

Finalized list of delegates:

Northeast: Oakvale, Winfield, RGN08, Clyde1998
Mideast: JCL, Windjammer, vivaportugalhabs, NeverAgain
South: NCYankee, Leinad, Adam Griffin
Midwest: Cris, Marokai
Pacific: Simfan, Classic Conservative
Senators: Kalwejt, Lumine, RPryor, Harry S Truman, PiT
conservative: Tmthforu94, Clark Kent
progressive: Bore, evergreen
centrist: BMotley

Congratulations to all of those delegates! Cheesy

Despite how dysfunctional and bizarre the selection process was, it's turned out well enough (as I predicted it would). Only a few active members missed out, and no one that unactive made it in. There are some colorful characters in there, along with intriguing differences of opinions, so it should be fun. Hopefully productive as well.
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« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2015, 10:17:26 AM »

I note that 7 out of 9, or 78%, of current Senators managed to get elected as Delegates to the Constitutional Convention.

Just sayin'.
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« Reply #58 on: September 30, 2015, 11:05:51 AM »

I note that 7 out of 9, or 78%, of current Senators managed to get elected as Delegates to the Constitutional Convention.

Just sayin'.

Maybe that's because the current batch of senators have been among the foremost advocates for game reform? It's also true that 80% of current governors and 60% of current Regional speakers were elected delegates - I suppose that is part of some nefarious scheme too?

Seriously, can we lay the conspiracy theories to rest? Despite the worst fears of some, the selection process resulted in a Convention that is largely representative of the electorate at large and that includes most of the active members of the game. I'll admit that the selection process was somewhat dysfunctional, but it clearly did no lasting harm, and if anyone has an objection to such storied Atlasians as Yankee, Kalwejt, Lumine, and Cris taking part in the convention (apart from allegations of baldness or whatever nonsense the pundit class cooks up), I for one will be surprised.

Also, there are 10 senators, not 9.
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« Reply #59 on: September 30, 2015, 11:19:08 AM »

Maybe that's because the current batch of senators have been among the foremost advocates for game reform?

hahahhha what
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« Reply #60 on: September 30, 2015, 11:49:31 AM »

The Convention is overwhelmingly dominated by conservatives, the only difference is in degree.
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« Reply #61 on: September 30, 2015, 11:56:09 AM »

I note that 7 out of 9, or 78%, of current Senators managed to get elected as Delegates to the Constitutional Convention.

Just sayin'.

Not a big surprise. According to the regulations, 5 Senators should be delegates.
Out of the remaining 20 elected delegates, only 2 (10%) were Senators. And both were elected by the people.

Maybe that's because the current batch of senators have been among the foremost advocates for game reform?

hahahhha what
All Senators have supported and signed petition for Constitutional Convention. You can say all things that you want about the Senators, but you can't say that they were not advocates for game reform. That's not true.
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« Reply #62 on: September 30, 2015, 12:05:59 PM »

I note that 7 out of 9, or 78%, of current Senators managed to get elected as Delegates to the Constitutional Convention.

Just sayin'.

Maybe that's because the current batch of senators have been among the foremost advocates for game reform? It's also true that 80% of current governors and 60% of current Regional speakers were elected delegates - I suppose that is part of some nefarious scheme too?

Seriously, can we lay the conspiracy theories to rest? Despite the worst fears of some, the selection process resulted in a Convention that is largely representative of the electorate at large and that includes most of the active members of the game. I'll admit that the selection process was somewhat dysfunctional, but it clearly did no lasting harm, and if anyone has an objection to such storied Atlasians as Yankee, Kalwejt, Lumine, and Cris taking part in the convention (apart from allegations of baldness or whatever nonsense the pundit class cooks up), I for one will be surprised.

Also, there are 10 senators, not 9.

Okay, 7 out of 10, 70%.

But that's fine with me.

After all, I said that I was "just sayin".
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« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2015, 04:02:54 PM »

I wish I was a delegate so I could ram my ideas through with ease.
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« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2015, 04:18:02 PM »

I wish I was a delegate so I could ram my ideas through with ease.

My office is always open.
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« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2015, 06:58:43 PM »

Maybe that's because the current batch of senators have been among the foremost advocates for game reform?

hahahhha what
All Senators have supported and signed petition for Constitutional Convention. You can say all things that you want about the Senators, but you can't say that they were not advocates for game reform. That's not true.

     Some folks are concerned that they might not get exactly what they want. As you might imagine, that makes us horrible people for holding different views.
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« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2015, 09:52:16 PM »

I wish I was a delegate so I could ram my ideas through with ease.
PM me. Defeat the Nyman machine. Unleash Duke's dream.
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« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2015, 11:40:29 PM »

I wish I was a delegate so I could ram my ideas through with ease.

I had every expectation of you representing the South instead of me. I was surprised you didn't run for that and once I received a warning about the low number of candidates, I agreed to run as the deadline approached. Feel free to PM me as well. Smiley

Hardly a conspiracy, it seems for all my attempts to steer clear of this convention for its own sake, I get roped in closer by necessity. Tongue
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« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2015, 01:05:18 AM »

I wish I was a delegate so I could ram my ideas through with ease.

I had every expectation of you representing the South instead of me. I was surprised you didn't run for that and once I received a warning about the low number of candidates, I agreed to run as the deadline approached. Feel free to PM me as well. Smiley

Hardly a conspiracy, it seems for all my attempts to steer clear of this convention for its own sake, I get roped in closer by necessity. Tongue

Oh, I didn't know the procedure or how delegates were selected. I thought they were nominated or something like that.

Shows how well I have been paying attention recently. Tongue
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« Reply #69 on: October 02, 2015, 05:02:46 AM »

I note that 7 out of 9, or 78%, of current Senators managed to get elected as Delegates to the Constitutional Convention.

Just sayin'.


Senators, Governors, and regional Speakers are generally much more active than others--which is why it's no surprise that 14 of them are delegates, and it's hard to say any of them don't deserve to be there. Of all who missed out I'd say the one with the best case to be here was the other governor (not a Senator, but still high-ranking).

Cris, Truman, Kalwejt, Lumine, RPryor, PiT, and Yankee are somewhat-to-extremely active Atlasians--I think they deserve a voice. I think it's a bit paranoid to think that the Senate will collude against the people to sink the nation--maybe I'm wrong, but it just has a low reading on my conspirometer (which rarely underestimates things, in my experience).

I wish I was a delegate so I could ram my ideas through with ease.

I had every expectation of you representing the South instead of me. I was surprised you didn't run for that and once I received a warning about the low number of candidates, I agreed to run as the deadline approached. Feel free to PM me as well. Smiley

Hardly a conspiracy, it seems for all my attempts to steer clear of this convention for its own sake, I get roped in closer by necessity. Tongue

Oh, I didn't know the procedure or how delegates were selected. I thought they were nominated or something like that.

Shows how well I have been paying attention recently. Tongue

You can contact me with any ideas as well--it's important we get as many people involved as the process as possible.
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« Reply #70 on: October 02, 2015, 07:29:29 AM »

I assume this will be a lost cause since it's utterly dominated by ultra-conservatives (in the 'game reform' sense) of various affiliations like Yankee, Kalwejt, PiT, CLASSIC CONSERVATIVE, various Labor zombies etc etc etc but I will try my utmost to represent the people shut out of the convention by the undemocratic Senate.
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« Reply #71 on: October 02, 2015, 07:32:09 AM »

I assume this will be a lost cause since it's utterly dominated by ultra-conservatives (in the 'game reform' sense) of various affiliations like Yankee, Kalwejt, PiT, CLASSIC CONSERVATIVE, various Labor zombies etc etc etc but I will try my utmost to represent the people shut out of the convention by the undemocratic Senate.

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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« Reply #72 on: October 02, 2015, 08:22:58 AM »

I assume this will be a lost cause since it's utterly dominated by ultra-conservatives (in the 'game reform' sense) of various affiliations like Yankee, Kalwejt, PiT, CLASSIC CONSERVATIVE, various Labor zombies etc etc etc but I will try my utmost to represent the people shut out of the convention by the undemocratic Senate.

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

yes, yes, it's very democratic to unilaterally seize control of almost half the delegate positions, we know.
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« Reply #73 on: October 02, 2015, 08:44:26 AM »

I assume this will be a lost cause since it's utterly dominated by ultra-conservatives (in the 'game reform' sense) of various affiliations like Yankee, Kalwejt, PiT, CLASSIC CONSERVATIVE, various Labor zombies etc etc etc but I will try my utmost to represent the people shut out of the convention by the undemocratic Senate.

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

yes, yes, it's very democratic to unilaterally seize control of almost half the delegate positions, we know.
Looks like it's a lost cause.
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« Reply #74 on: October 02, 2015, 09:42:19 AM »

I assume this will be a lost cause since it's utterly dominated by ultra-conservatives (in the 'game reform' sense) of various affiliations like Yankee, Kalwejt, PiT, CLASSIC CONSERVATIVE, various Labor zombies etc etc etc but I will try my utmost to represent the people shut out of the convention by the undemocratic Senate.

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

yes, yes, it's very democratic to unilaterally seize control of almost half the delegate positions, we know.
Looks like it's a lost cause.

yes, congratulations on making sure of that Smiley
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