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« Reply #300 on: October 21, 2015, 07:04:46 PM »

Freedom Caucus says no endorsement.


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/paul-ryan-freedom-caucus-speaker-215041
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« Reply #301 on: October 21, 2015, 07:09:19 PM »

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So it actually does sound like most of the Freedom Caucus is supporting Ryan, but there are some holdouts.  If Ryan is going to hold himself to that 'unanimous support' threshold, then it won't be good enough.
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« Reply #302 on: October 21, 2015, 08:03:03 PM »

This keeps getting better and better.
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« Reply #303 on: October 21, 2015, 08:09:18 PM »

I would like to point out that the House Freedom Caucus did not meet any of Ryan's demands.
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« Reply #304 on: October 21, 2015, 08:15:26 PM »

Ryan's current statement is 'I'm grateful for the support of a supermajority of the House Freedom Caucus. I look forward to hearing from the other two caucuses by the end of the week, but I believe this is a positive step toward a unified Republican team.'

Seems he's okay with it.

It's entirely possible that the House Freedom Caucus has ultimately done something very helpful for the Republican party, since Paul Ryan is a much better national surrogate than John Boehner or Kevin McCarthy.
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« Reply #305 on: October 21, 2015, 08:30:51 PM »

Hold your breath until you see what they actually do once they have a new Speaker. Ryan is a better spokesman than Boehner or McCarthy, but how is he going to have an easier time managing his caucus than Boehner has?
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« Reply #306 on: October 21, 2015, 08:39:27 PM »

Odds look like about 85 percent chance Ryan is the next speaker of the house
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« Reply #307 on: October 21, 2015, 08:50:46 PM »

So the Freedom Caucus is folding?  I was expecting much more of a fuss from them.
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« Reply #308 on: October 21, 2015, 08:57:07 PM »

They're sort of folding, but in a way that makes Ryan have to fold too. A supermajority of their members are endorsing him, but not enough to meet their insane 4/5 criterion for an official endorsement. They're not meeting the letter of Ryan's demand.
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« Reply #309 on: October 22, 2015, 11:21:28 AM »

This still seems unsettled to me. Why would Ryan accept this partial endorsement? He'd be screwed as Speaker of the House if he took it on these terms.
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« Reply #310 on: October 22, 2015, 01:45:06 PM »

So the Freedom Caucus is folding?  I was expecting much more of a fuss from them.

Hopefully those commie RINO's are primaried out.
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« Reply #311 on: October 22, 2015, 01:53:57 PM »

Paul Ryan has either signed away most of the powers held by the Speaker, or set himself up for failure when he Freedom Caucus inevitably revolts against him for not giving up those powers
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« Reply #312 on: October 22, 2015, 02:21:28 PM »

Paul Ryan has either signed away most of the powers held by the Speaker, or set himself up for failure when he Freedom Caucus inevitably revolts against him for not giving up those powers
Could you explain please?
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« Reply #313 on: October 22, 2015, 04:56:46 PM »

This still seems unsettled to me. Why would Ryan accept this partial endorsement? He'd be screwed as Speaker of the House if he took it on these terms.

If the FC has 40 members, and one fifth plus one is enough to withhold an endorsement, and if without an endorsement, Ryan would not run, then that means that 9 members of the House Pubs can veto Ryan. LOL. Ludicrous.
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« Reply #314 on: October 22, 2015, 04:59:11 PM »

Paul Ryan has either signed away most of the powers held by the Speaker, or set himself up for failure when he Freedom Caucus inevitably revolts against him for not giving up those powers
Could you explain please?

Yes, I don't get it either. Ryan per the article has ceded nothing, other than ignoring the FC's stupid rule endorsements. He's saying a majority of the FC is enough for him. Myself, I would take 218 votes, but then I am not Ryan.
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« Reply #315 on: October 22, 2015, 05:11:47 PM »

Paul Ryan just capitulated on the the motion to vacate the chair.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/ryan-concessions-freedom-caucus-215075
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« Reply #316 on: October 22, 2015, 05:16:52 PM »
« Edited: October 22, 2015, 05:19:15 PM by Bacon 😎 »

Paul Ryan has either signed away most of the powers held by the Speaker, or set himself up for failure when he Freedom Caucus inevitably revolts against him for not giving up those powers
Could you explain please?

Yes, I don't get it either. Ryan per the article has ceded nothing, other than ignoring the FC's stupid rule endorsements. He's saying a majority of the FC is enough for him. Myself, I would take 218 votes, but then I am not Ryan.

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Ryan got the almost-endorsement of the Freedom Caucus by agreeing "in principle" to every single bullet point on the FC's laundry list of procedural demands.

If Ryan makes those changes then he is basically ceding a lot of authority to the Freedom Caucus and making it far easier for them to obstruct things.

If he doesn't, then it would mean Ryan blatantly lied to the Freedom Caucus to in order to get elected, and they don't seem to the the type to take that lying down
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« Reply #317 on: October 22, 2015, 05:22:45 PM »

Those two things paint a very different picture.  I wonder if the rest of the leadership is okay with this?  There's a lot we don't know.
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« Reply #318 on: October 22, 2015, 05:27:32 PM »

"Ryan got the almost-endorsement of the Freedom Caucus by agreeing "in principle" to every single bullet point on the FC's laundry list of procedural demands."

I don't see where he did this in the texts that have been adduced. Of course, the original procedural demands were entwined with substance, and ludicrous themselves. So a list of the procedural demands to which Ryan acceded would be helpful, before we conclude he bent over for them.
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« Reply #319 on: October 22, 2015, 05:50:38 PM »
« Edited: October 22, 2015, 05:52:12 PM by Bacon 😎 »

"Ryan got the almost-endorsement of the Freedom Caucus by agreeing "in principle" to every single bullet point on the FC's laundry list of procedural demands."

I don't see where he did this in the texts that have been adduced. Of course, the original procedural demands were entwined with substance, and ludicrous themselves. So a list of the procedural demands to which Ryan acceded would be helpful, before we conclude he bent over for them.

This was the Freedom Caucus Questionnaire to Speaker candidates: http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000150-49be-d501-ab5d-6dbf7cd70000

In the article I linked to he's specifically and explicitly agreeing with quite a few things from that list, even if he's only doing so with a ton of caveats. This article you posted explains why their demands are a lot more worrisome than they seem:

In case you missed it (I linked it before), this article is quite revealing.

I'm not saying that Ryan's path to the Speakership won't work, but I'm concerned that he's promising far too much to the Freedom Caucus to get there
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« Reply #320 on: October 22, 2015, 05:52:36 PM »

Where did Ryan "specifically agree" to that list is my question, which would indeed be worrisome?
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« Reply #321 on: October 22, 2015, 08:14:52 PM »

Why is Ryan even agreeing to any of this? It's almost certain his career will be worse off by the end of it than when he started.
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« Reply #322 on: October 22, 2015, 08:51:54 PM »

My guess is he doesn't want it but he doesn't see a way to refuse it and not look like he's selfishly looking out for his own political prospects.
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« Reply #323 on: October 28, 2015, 03:34:54 PM »

So Ryan is the Speaker nominee.
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« Reply #324 on: October 28, 2015, 03:44:21 PM »


He only got 200 votes out of 247 Republican representatives.
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