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« on: September 28, 2015, 04:44:07 PM »

NBC/WSJ national poll:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/NBCWSJSept2015.pdf

Clinton 45%
Bush 44%

Clinton 49%
Trump 39%

Carson 46%
Clinton 45%

Fiorina 45%
Clinton 44%

Biden 48%
Bush 40%

Biden 56%
Trump 35%

Biden 49%
Carson 41%

Biden 47%
Fiorina 41%

Sanders 52%
Trump 36%
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2015, 04:48:27 PM »

Hard to believe they didn't poll Rubio in these match ups.

My belief that Biden is going to be fairly hard to beat is validated, though.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2015, 04:50:54 PM »

Biden has replaced Obama as a fighter. And a tough campaigner. However, you cant but to notice the Trump numbers, he has replaced Jeb as beatable in this race
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2015, 05:25:12 PM »

Colour me surprised at Biden's electability. I always thought he would have been a bad general election candidate, being easily characterized as a gaffe machine and bumbling idiot.
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2015, 05:27:35 PM »

Colour me surprised at Biden's electability. I always thought he would have been a bad general election candidate, being easily characterized as a gaffe machine and bumbling idiot.

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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2015, 05:32:43 PM »

Hillary is the weakest candidate again.

Sanders doesn't do quite as well as Biden, but that could be name recognition. Biden is 40-28 favorable, leaving 32% not rating him, while Sanders is 32-22, leaving 46% not rating him. Hillary is 39-47, with only 14% not rating her, and would only make sense to nominate if we want to lose.

Against Trump, it's Clinton +10,  Sanders +16, and Biden +19.

Against Bush, it's Clinton +1, Biden +8
Against Carson, it's Clinton -1, Biden +8
Against Fiorina, it's Clinton -1, Biden +6

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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2015, 05:49:57 PM »

NBC/WSJ national poll:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/NBCWSJSept2015.pdf

Clinton 45%
Bush 44%

Clinton 49%
Trump 39%

Carson 46%
Clinton 45%

Fiorina 45%
Clinton 44%

Biden 48%
Bush 40%

Biden 56%
Trump 35%

Biden 49%
Carson 41%

Biden 47%
Fiorina 41%

Sanders 52%
Trump 36%


Everything in this poll seems somewhat reasonable besides the last result..

Absolute bullsh**t. Trump is not going to take only nearly 33% of the national vote in an election in 2015 against an outspoken dying socialist.
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2015, 05:52:06 PM »
« Edited: September 28, 2015, 05:55:58 PM by OC »

Wait until she starts winning primaries in Iowa and SC, her electability will go up. Also, there is the Oct debate. She will do well.

Its probably closer to 4 pts like the last poll showed but certainly Clinton can expand the map beyond 272 blue wall, and certainly win the Senate
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2015, 06:12:02 PM »


Everything in this poll seems somewhat reasonable besides the last result..

Absolute bullsh**t. Trump is not going to take only nearly 33% of the national vote in an election in 2015 against an outspoken dying socialist.

Trump loses by 20 in NH to Sanders, which is more than the 19 he loses to Biden by. So it's quite reasonable that he'd lose by 3 fewer points against Sanders than Biden nationwide.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=219917.0
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2015, 06:37:30 PM »

Does literally no one remember Biden's atrocious numbers back in 2013? How do you people figure he won't implode like Clinton once he's back on the scene?
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2015, 06:40:17 PM »

*offended that Sanders isn't matched against all the Republicans.
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2015, 07:06:52 PM »

NBC/WSJ national poll:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/NBCWSJSept2015.pdf

Clinton 45%
Bush 44%

Clinton 49%
Trump 39%

Carson 46%
Clinton 45%

Fiorina 45%
Clinton 44%

Biden 48%
Bush 40%

Biden 56%
Trump 35%

Biden 49%
Carson 41%

Biden 47%
Fiorina 41%

Sanders 52%
Trump 36%


Everything in this poll seems somewhat reasonable besides the last result..

Absolute bullsh**t. Trump is not going to take only nearly 33% of the national vote in an election in 2015 against an outspoken dying socialist.

I'm sorry but what are you even talking about? He's only a few years older than Trump is.
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2015, 07:15:38 PM »

I'm sorry but what are you even talking about? He's only a few years older than Trump is.

And only a year older than Biden, who beats Trump by 3 more points.
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2015, 07:45:31 PM »

Colour me surprised at Biden's electability. I always thought he would have been a bad general election candidate, being easily characterized as a gaffe machine and bumbling idiot.


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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2015, 08:58:09 PM »

NBC/WSJ national poll:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/NBCWSJSept2015.pdf

Clinton 45%
Bush 44%

Clinton 49%
Trump 39%

Carson 46%
Clinton 45%

Fiorina 45%
Clinton 44%

Biden 48%
Bush 40%

Biden 56%
Trump 35%

Biden 49%
Carson 41%

Biden 47%
Fiorina 41%

Sanders 52%
Trump 36%


Everything in this poll seems somewhat reasonable besides the last result..

Absolute bullsh**t. Trump is not going to take only nearly 33% of the national vote in an election in 2015 against an outspoken dying socialist.

A majority of young people and non-white people support socialism. He's also not even a full on socialist, he's really just a progressive.
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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2015, 09:04:16 PM »

President Biden would be so awesome
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2015, 09:11:15 PM »

President Biden would be so awesome

I agree, it's just him getting there that would be the challenge.

Also, I worry about a poll that puts Carson ahead of Clinton. It just shows that the real game is the GOP right now.
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2015, 11:21:50 PM »


I agree!!! Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2015, 01:25:05 AM »

Biden is likeable and somewhat charismatic. If he can tone down the gaffes, I could see him winning the presidential election. Especially if a recession does not happen.
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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2015, 04:40:53 AM »
« Edited: September 29, 2015, 04:44:07 AM by eric82oslo »

Does literally no one remember Biden's atrocious numbers back in 2013? How do you people figure he won't implode like Clinton once he's back on the scene?

Because people like to be delusional. Biden's numbers might very well look worse than even Trump's once he's entered and thrown to the aligators and wolfs who'll be all over him eating him up like a piece of fresh meat.
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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2015, 05:20:54 AM »

Does literally no one remember Biden's atrocious numbers back in 2013? How do you people figure he won't implode like Clinton once he's back on the scene?

Because people like to be delusional. Biden's numbers might very well look worse than even Trump's once he's entered and thrown to the aligators and wolfs who'll be all over him eating him up like a piece of fresh meat.

That's the thing. I think Biden as President is being severely underestimated, but him as a GE nominee is being equally vastly overestimated.
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2015, 09:32:51 AM »
« Edited: September 29, 2015, 09:50:42 AM by pbrower2a »

NBC/WSJ national poll:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/NBCWSJSept2015.pdf

Clinton 45%
Bush 44%

Clinton 49%
Trump 39%

Carson 46%
Clinton 45%

Fiorina 45%
Clinton 44%

Biden 48%
Bush 40%

Biden 56%
Trump 35%

Biden 49%
Carson 41%

Biden 47%
Fiorina 41%

Sanders 52%
Trump 36%


Everything in this poll seems somewhat reasonable besides the last result..

Absolute bullsh**t. Trump is not going to take only nearly 33% of the national vote in an election in 2015 against an outspoken dying socialist.

A majority of young people and non-white people support socialism. He's also not even a full on socialist, he's really just a progressive.

Social democracy winning against crony capitalism? Such would indicate that the times are changing.  

Some polls, national and statewide, indicate elections that just will not happen. Think of all the attention given in 2009 to a possible challenge by Sarah Palin to Barack Obama in 2012. Everything indicated about a 60-40 Obama victory in the popular election. We never had that election with that match-up.  
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