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« on: October 07, 2015, 11:40:31 PM »

Just doing a casual read of what effects TPP would have and it sounds horrid:

"..In the US, [TPP] is likely to further entrench controversial aspects of US copyright law (such as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act) and restrict the ability of Congress to engage in domestic law reform to meet the evolving IP needs of American citizens and the innovative technology sector. Standardization of copyright provisions by other signatories would also require significant changes to other countries’ copyright laws. These, according to EFF, include obligations for countries to expand copyright terms, restrict fair use, adopt criminal sanctions for copyright infringement that is done without a commercial motivation (ex. file sharing of copyrighted digital media), place greater liability on internet intermediaries, escalate protections for digital locks and create new threats for journalists and whistleblowers (because of vague text on the misuse of trade secrets)."

"June 2015 article in the New England Journal of Medicine summarized concerns about TPP´s impact on healthcare in developed and less developed countries including potentially increased prices of medical drugs due to patent extensions, which it claimed, could threaten millions of lives. Extending “data exclusivity” provisions would "prevent drug regulatory agencies such as the Food and Drug Administration from registering a generic version of a drug for a certain number of years." International tribunals that have been a part of the proposed agreement could theoretically require corporations be paid compensation for any lost profits found to result from a nation's regulations. That in turn might interfere with domestic health policy"

"In 2013, Nobel Memorial prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz warned that based on leaked drafts of the TPP, it presented "grave risks" and "serves the interests of the wealthiest." Organised labour in the U.S. argued that the trade deal would largely benefit corporations at the expense of workers in the manufacturing and service industries. In 2014, Noam Chomsky warned that the TPP is "designed to carry forward the neoliberal project to maximise profit and domination, and to set the working people in the world in competition with one another so as to lower wages to increase insecurity. Economist Robert Reich contends that the TPP is a "Trojan horse in a global race to the bottom, giving big corporations and Wall Street banks a way to eliminate any and all laws and regulations that get in the way of their profits"

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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2015, 09:18:00 PM »

People on here don't want to actually bother to defend TPP. They just like to personally attack those who oppose it.
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2015, 08:01:01 AM »

You basically copied Wikipedia's criticisms section under TPP.  Essentially this is a compilation of everything bad someone has said about TPP, not necessarily a list of bad things about TPP.

Its important to have a standardized copyright law across borders, while our copyright law isn't perfect, the political climate in the U.S. makes it impossible to change it right now.

This is also important when you consider the state of copyright law in China, which has been accused of an stealing copyrighted technology from U.S. companies. Thus, its important that east asian contries follow the U.S copyright or Chinese copyright.

The third paragraph is the standard set of complaints lodged at every trade agreement.  Regardless, the focus of TPP is less on tariffs, and more on standardizing copyright, environmental and other laws.
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2015, 02:28:01 PM »

Here's a pretty good explanation on it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3nl4sz/eli5_the_transpacific_partnership_deal/
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2015, 03:40:32 PM »

You basically copied Wikipedia's criticisms section under TPP.  Essentially this is a compilation of everything bad someone has said about TPP, not necessarily a list of bad things about TPP.

Its important to have a standardized copyright law across borders, while our copyright law isn't perfect, the political climate in the U.S. makes it impossible to change it right now.

This is also important when you consider the state of copyright law in China, which has been accused of an stealing copyrighted technology from U.S. companies. Thus, its important that east asian contries follow the U.S copyright or Chinese copyright.

The third paragraph is the standard set of complaints lodged at every trade agreement.  Regardless, the focus of TPP is less on tariffs, and more on standardizing copyright, environmental and other laws.
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2015, 09:02:08 PM »

There might be some good things involved, but I still oppose it because of the secrecy.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2015, 08:16:06 PM »

no reasons for supporting it
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2015, 02:05:27 PM »

I'm probably going to support it because:

a)The global rules of trade are changing, and I'd rather the US help write the rules and integrate into the world economy than be left out
b)NAFTA helped to open up the Mexican economy and political system, and I hope that the same can happen for countries like Vietnam
c)The TPP would be a powerful counterbalance to China without being an aggressive move in the way that the expansion of NATO arguably was towards Russia

With that said, I do wonder if this deal might economically hurt many Americans, and I'm not necessarily a fan of the dispute resolution mechanisms. But the tobacco carve-out definitely makes it easier to support.
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