Oregon School Shooting - At Least 10 Dead

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Guns or no guns, why are people deranged enough to kill people in mass numbers and why does it happen in general? Sure, you can take guns away from people (it won't stop anything but dream on) but that doesn't change the fact that enough people are deranged enough to make this happen or at least fantasize about it. There is a deep mental health crisis in this country that gets ignored by the usual suspects due to their strange gun fetish.

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Guns or no guns, why are people deranged enough to kill people in mass numbers and why does it happen in general? Sure, you can take guns away from people (it won't stop anything but dream on) but that doesn't change the fact that enough people are deranged enough to make this happen or at least fantasize about it. There is a deep mental health crisis in this country that gets ignored by the usual suspects due to their strange gun fetish.

And that's why Republicans voted to increase mental health funding.

Oh wait...

Ten innocent people are dead and yet you somehow have made it to 43. The world can be so cruel sometimes.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Guns or no guns, why are people deranged enough to kill people in mass numbers and why does it happen in general? Sure, you can take guns away from people (it won't stop anything but dream on) but that doesn't change the fact that enough people are deranged enough to make this happen or at least fantasize about it. There is a deep mental health crisis in this country that gets ignored by the usual suspects due to their strange gun fetish.

And that's why Republicans voted to increase mental health funding.

Oh wait...

Ten innocent people are dead and yet you somehow have made it to 43. The world can be so cruel sometimes.

Spare me with the faux outrage. If you and your party cared about the victims then you'd stop groveling at the feet of NRA.

I care more about the constitutional rights of citizens to own a firearm than I care about the (relatively minor) consequences of the right to own a gun, sure. Background checks should basically solve the problem. But sooner or later, another shooting will occur and the goal posts will be shifted again.

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CNN reporting that the shooter was not old enough to legally purchase a pistol.

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I care more about the constitutional rights of citizens to own a firearm than I care about the (relatively minor) consequences of the right to own a gun, sure. Background checks should basically solve the problem. But sooner or later, another shooting will occur and the goal posts will be shifted again.

I'm sure the friends and relatives of the victims will be much comforted with the thought that their loved ones were killed in order to protect the gun nuts right to carry firearms completely unchecked.

Do you really want me to quote Joe the Plumber here?

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You're better than this, Sanchez.

But its true-the risk of dying in a shooting like this does not justify a ban on guns. We have more shootings like this than anywhere else in the world, and the risk is still about 100x lower than being hit by a car or killed in a freak golfing accident.

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I don't understand why everyone is attacking Sanchez. His statement is easily within the mainstream. It doesn't lack empathy. I don't necessarily agree with it as I don't care much about the issue, but it seems like a silly thing to throw a tantrum over.

Buh Obama is angry and sad!!!1!!

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All of the firearms were purchased legally.

Ok. Perhaps a background check could have stopped these purchases. Perhaps not. Let's say he didn't have any bad signs in his background and was still allowed to purchase the guns-do you know what that means?

It means that he had a legal right to own these guns. And it means that you can't justify the disarming of millions of law abiding citizens because of the actions of one man. To be blunt: the shooter had the right to own these guns, knowing what we currently do, and the deaths of ten people, horrible as they may be, do not change this.

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because of the actions of one man.

It's cute of you to pretend this is the only time anything of this sort has ever happened.

Ok. So it has happened like what, about 70 times in the last few decades? Do the actions of 70 people justify taking the guns away from millions of other Americans.

Your strawman was cute. Try harder.

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because of the actions of one man.

It's cute of you to pretend this is the only time anything of this sort has ever happened.

Ok. So it has happened like what, about 70 times in the last few decades? Do the actions of 70 people justify taking the guns away from millions of other Americans.

Your strawman was cute. Try harder.

There have been 70 school shootings in the past 2 years alone.

Of course, the right of an individual to own a firearm outweighs another individual's right to life in all cases. Because a constitutional amendment written by a bunch of paranoid revolutionaries in an era of muskets ought be universally applicable now.

Gun ownership should be a privilege with a high access bar. Not a right.

Ok. That doesn't change a thing about my point.

The right to life does not include the right not to get killed. You don't have a right to not be struck down by lightening. You don't have a right to not get killed in a car wreck. Rights fall flat in the face of acts of God or man or disasters. Your rights won't stop a bullet from tearing through your heart.

Coulda shoulda woulda. Oh well. The Constitution is strict on this matter. There is a right, whether you like it or not. If you don't like it, change it. But good luck. We are better funded, more supported, and yes, better armed. So good luck with that.

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Gun nut logic

Not letting 5 year olds drive a car = taking away my freedoms!!!11!!1

I would call this a strawman but as this post demonstrates, I don't think you have the intelligence to understand what a strawman actually is.

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Gun nut logic

Not letting 5 year olds drive a car = taking away my freedoms!!!11!!1

I would call this a strawman but as this post demonstrates, I don't think you have the intelligence to understand what a strawman actually is.

Depends, is it a bendy-strawman, or McDonald's style?

McDonalds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Cruikshank

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My point is that what Chairmansanchez was saying about the 2nd amendment right, was simply not true

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You have many justices who simply don't believe the 2nd amendment guarantees the right for individuals to bear an arm. I quoted this former supreme court to show how much the supreme court's opinion can change about this matter.

In fact, according to this supreme court decision: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
5 supreme court justices agreed that the DC gun ban was unconstitutional, meaning 4 supreme court justices disagreed and believed that the gun ban in the district of Columbia was constitutional.

So, if for instance the democrats retake the Supreme Court, any gun restriction would likely be deemed valid.

I don't think you get how the SCOTUS works. You put Donald Trump on the Court for God's sake. Four justices disagreed. Five did. And the five who made the majority ruling are the five who count.

A few justices opposed gay marriage. I guess gays don't have equal rights because 4 justices disagree.