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« on: October 02, 2015, 02:36:58 PM »

Explain your reasoning.
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2015, 02:40:27 PM »

Nope. Democratic socialism is where the Democratic Party is turning to anyway (except they will probably keep the corporatism). Pretty sure 90% of Democrats would vote for him in a presidential election.
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2015, 02:46:21 PM »

He's keeping the dream of post-war liberalism alive in a neoliberal era.
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2015, 03:13:41 PM »

Yes, he's a radical SJW.
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2015, 03:14:39 PM »

He's too liberal for me, but I don't think he's too liberal for the Democrats, and in fact, I think he's the future of the Democratic party in terms of their direction.
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2015, 03:17:37 PM »

For the most part, yes he is too "liberal" for the Democrats. Today the Democratic party are more like moderate Republicans.
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2015, 03:20:26 PM »

only for they're corporate backers.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2015, 03:42:12 PM »

Nah, his campaign is pretty standard leftish, urban progressive stuff.
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2015, 03:51:27 PM »

In five years, he might very well be too conservative for them.
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2015, 03:52:37 PM »

He's too liberal for me, but I don't think he's too liberal for the Democrats, and in fact, I think he's the future of the Democratic party in terms of their direction.
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2015, 03:54:28 PM »

Nah, his campaign is pretty standard leftish, urban progressive stuff.

Also a bit of this. I think in his heart of hearts, he's probably closer to Jeremy Corbyn than we'd like to admit. But he obviously knows that doesn't sell here.
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2015, 04:39:03 PM »

I don't think he can win unless he gets lucky with a Clinton implosion at the right time, but it's not purely because he's too liberal.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2015, 04:41:58 PM »

I don't think he can win unless he gets lucky with a Clinton implosion at the right time, but it's not purely because he's too liberal.

If he wants to win he definitely needs to get better with black and hispanic voters, cause whites won't win you the Dem primary any more. In many states he may not even meet the 15% threshold for delegates.
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2015, 04:50:25 PM »

I don't think he can win unless he gets lucky with a Clinton implosion at the right time, but it's not purely because he's too liberal.

If he wants to win he definitely needs to get better with black and hispanic voters, cause whites won't win you the Dem primary any more. In many states he may not even meet the 15% threshold for delegates.

That's why I said that Clinton's implosion would help him. I think he could easily win over a decent number of minorities if his only opponents are O'Malley, Chafee, and Webb.
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2015, 04:54:16 PM »

20 years ago, Sanders would have been way too liberal to be a nominee, but at this point, I really don't think so.  I certainly wouldn't vote for him (and I would consider voting for Clinton/Biden/Webb over Trump), but I see no reason why most Democrats wouldn't. 
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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2015, 05:18:51 PM »

Nah, his campaign is pretty standard leftish, urban progressive stuff.

Also a bit of this. I think in his heart of hearts, he's probably closer to Jeremy Corbyn than we'd like to admit. But he obviously knows that doesn't sell here.

I'd say he's much closer to a lot of the Scandinavian Democratic Socialists than Corbyn.
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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2015, 05:30:07 PM »

Nah, his campaign is pretty standard leftish, urban progressive stuff.
Pretty much this. The only reason he stands out is because he mislabels  himself as a "socialist"
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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2015, 05:33:13 PM »

He believes in single payer health system; but medicaid & medicare provides already for the poor. For people that can pay, should. But, ACA or Obamacare was to lower prices; instead it lowered prescription cost, but not premiums.
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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2015, 05:39:09 PM »

Nope. The parties are becoming more polarized by the day.
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2015, 05:42:12 PM »

For the most part, yes he is too "liberal" for the Democrats. Today the Democratic party are more like moderate Republicans.

Please.

And no, he's what most elected Democrats would be if they had the balls to not toe the center for votes.
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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2015, 06:18:03 PM »


Sanders is not an SJW. Liberals should not embrace this label. The term SJW refers to, at best, people like Anita Sarkeesian and Suey Park, who may have admirable, worthwhile goals (fighting sexism and fighting racism against Asian-Americans), but who either fixate on first world problems, such as images of women in video games or jokes by liberal basic cable comedians, who equate all criticism with harassment, who don't understand that fiction isn't meant to be taken literally and humor isn't meant to be taken seriously, and who excel at playing victim & engaging in oppression olympics. At worst, the term refers to people like this guy.
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2015, 06:38:30 PM »

His views aren't far from the mainstream Democratic positions.  His problems are more style than substance.

-He labels himself as a socialist.  This is for the shock value I suppose, as a way to get attention.  In that he's succeeded.  However it turns a lot of people away because they don't like the label, or because of elect ability concerns.

-He ran as an independent for Senate, again for no apparent reason.  If he dislikes the Democrats so much that he doesn't want to be labeled a Democrat in the Senate, then why is he in the Democratic primary? He's basically a Democrat-in-all-but-name in the Senate, so I'm having a hard time seeing why he would do this except to get attention and to make himself look more radical.

Most voters don't care about this, but this is definitely something that's holding him back with the establishment.

-He's positioned himself as a single issue candidate.  The people who care the most about his main issue love him, but the Democratic party is a diverse party with a lot of different voting blocks.
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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2015, 06:39:27 PM »

Is he too liberal for the Democrats?  Possibly.  In the 90s Clinton dragged his party rightwards, but because of it they started to win.  Welfare-to-work might seem insensitive, but it made Democrats look responsible.  China's Most Favored Nation trading rights may seem like an environmental disaster in retrospect, but for at least a decade it made some powerful donors rich.  Democrats might consider Sanders a relic of the the 1970s.

On the other hand, the Democrats may be starting to re-examine their rightward tac starting with the 1992 primary season.  Consider the following:

1.  A gallup poll conducted two months ago produced this result (presented graphically):



2.  The "frontrunner," in positioning herself for the 2016 election, is decidedly more liberal than she and her husband once were on illegal immigration, gay marriage and incarceration.

3.  60% of Democrats regard chinese-held debt as a major problem (seattle times)

4.  Democrats in congress rejected a GOP amendment designed to protect middle-class families by shelving the national energy tax if gasoline prices hit $5 per gallon.

5.  70% of Democrats think that socialized medicine would make things better (harvard poll, 2015)

Sanders has suggested, in one form or another, a willingness to support socialized medicine, higher fuel taxes, and has long been an opponent of Nafta, China's status, and a number of other free-trade agreements.  One might argue that not only isn't he too far left for the Democrats, he might just be ahead of the curve in their return to the left.

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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2015, 06:41:49 PM »

Voted No, by the way.

I don't really see him as being too liberal for he Democrats.  Whether he is too far left for the general election would very much depend upon whom the Republicans nominate. 
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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2015, 06:44:54 PM »

Bernie Sander not too liberal for Democrats but might be too liberal for the American public. It would be interesting to see if he won nomination,
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