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« on: October 02, 2015, 05:55:55 PM »

Votesplitting useless bastards.
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2015, 05:57:37 PM »

Terrible.
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2015, 06:10:42 PM »

All separatists from a legit nation have my sympathy. Although Canada is a bit tricky, because an independent Quebec would leave French-speaking minorities in other provinces in a country without bilingualism.
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2015, 07:03:31 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2015, 08:39:24 PM »

They had a point back when Quebecois didn't have real political representation, but it seems like Quebecois people have almost everything they want, so other than independence itself (which they have rejected), what more could they want?
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2015, 10:32:20 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2015, 11:07:48 PM »

Quebecois people have almost everything they want, so other than independence itself (which they have rejected)

Francophone Québécois voted for independence both times. It's similar to the Catalan situation.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2015, 11:15:48 PM »

Quebecois people have almost everything they want, so other than independence itself (which they have rejected)

Francophone Québécois voted for independence both times. It's similar to the Catalan situation.

True, though the rest of their province did not vote for independence, and they (the Francophones) have to deal with that.
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2015, 12:12:28 AM »

Quebecois people have almost everything they want, so other than independence itself (which they have rejected)

Francophone Québécois voted for independence both times. It's similar to the Catalan situation.

True, though the rest of their province did not vote for independence, and they (the Francophones) have to deal with that.

Unlike Catalonia or Scotland, which became part of Spain/the UK by request of their own governments, Quebec became part of Canada due to military conquest and occupation. Most comparable to Northern Ireland or Israel/Palestine (though of course far less violent all around). One could argue that the "new arrivals" therefore have less moral authority on the matter than Francophones do.

In any event, just because one's position isn't held by 50%+1 of voters doesn't mean you aren't allowed to advocate for it.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2015, 01:33:48 AM »

Quebecois people have almost everything they want, so other than independence itself (which they have rejected)

Francophone Québécois voted for independence both times. It's similar to the Catalan situation.

True, though the rest of their province did not vote for independence, and they (the Francophones) have to deal with that.

Unlike Catalonia or Scotland, which became part of Spain/the UK by request of their own governments, Quebec became part of Canada due to military conquest and occupation. Most comparable to Northern Ireland or Israel/Palestine (though of course far less violent all around). One could argue that the "new arrivals" therefore have less moral authority on the matter than Francophones do.

In any event, just because one's position isn't held by 50%+1 of voters doesn't mean you aren't allowed to advocate for it.

Oh, I didn't mean that they shouldn't advocate for independence, but that I didn't have any sympathy for them, given that many of the early Quebecois nationalistic goals/dreams (representation, the French language in Canada being preserved, even Francophone Prime Ministers, etc) seem to have been fulfilled, and Quebec seems relatively comfortable within Canadian culture. It's not like Sudan and South Sudan, for example, where there was a very clear problem and reason for independence.
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2015, 05:47:05 AM »

Even if you believe in the cause of Quebec independence, that dream comes from within the province, not from Ottawa.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2015, 01:30:51 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2015, 01:37:54 PM »

Serious question - why are there different separatist parties for provincial and federal elections in Quebec (I know that the BQ were formed for the 1993 Federal election - at time when the independence movement were at its peak)?

Wouldn't it make more sense for the PQ to run candidates in both types of election, rather than having two parties with (potentially) different ideas?
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2015, 04:20:42 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2015, 08:44:00 PM »

Serious question - why are there different separatist parties for provincial and federal elections in Quebec (I know that the BQ were formed for the 1993 Federal election - at time when the independence movement were at its peak)?

Wouldn't it make more sense for the PQ to run candidates in both types of election, rather than having two parties with (potentially) different ideas?

Short answer: The Bloc happened by accident.

Long answer: The PQ formed before Canada had a formal constitution. They had a simple plan at first:
1) Win a provincial elections
2) Win a referendum
3) Negotiate secession

Federal politics were on the back burner.

In 1982, Canada enacted a formal constitution, but the Quebec government never actually approved it, which was problematic and caused legitimacy issues in Quebec. In 1987, PM Brian Mulroney negotiated the Meech Lake Accord with the premiers. Meech Lake was a series of constitutional amendments designed to get the Quebec government to sign off on the constitution and increase federalist support in Quebec.

Meech Lake fell apart (rather spectacularly), and more or less killed the Mulroney government. Several nationalist MP's (both Tory and Liberal) quit their respective parties to sit as independents in response to how they thought Quebec had been mistreated in the negotiations. These independents later caucused together as the Bloc Quebecois.

Eventually they formed a separate party to advocate for Quebecois interests and separatism at the federal level. They won a by-election in 1990, and 50+ seats in 1993, but the whole thing was never at the Parti Quebecois'  initiative which is why they are two separate, but closely allied parties.
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2015, 11:15:08 PM »

Here's my list of reasons why they're HP:
-Anti-Anglophone
-Support Quebec splitting from Canada, which would be downright idiotic
-Islamophobic
-Split NDP votes
-Corrupt
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