"moderate" Abbas still a lying asshat

[dead0man]

Two cowards stab a defenseless kid riding a bike.  One gets hit by car running from cops, Abbas tells world he was "innocent" and murdered by Israeli cops.  Except he's not dead and is about as far from innocent as a 13 year old can be.  Perhaps Abbas feels a little guilty (if that's even possible) since his previous lies are what encouraged the douchebag (and the dozens of others) to go on a stabbing spree.

cite-NY Times

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Abbas started the entire ugly affair, just like Arafat did. First they walk away from the peace accords, then they make up a lie involving the Temple Mount to rile people up. Then they sit back and watch the carnage begin.

[DavidB.]

Today, a Moroccan Dutch guy (who is apparently quite popular in the intersectional world of young thugs and young Islamists) posted this fake story about the "innocent" kid (nope) being "shot dead" (nope) "without a reason" (nope) on Facebook, and he added that it's time for Muslims to "beat up" all Israeli tourists visiting the Netherlands "until they are total loss". It got "liked" and "shared" many times. This has caused quite a backlash - not in the mainstream media because they're too busy copying bullsh**t stories about Israel, but definitely on the internet (most notably on well-known youth-oriented semi-political website GeenStijl, which is both huge in terms of audience and pro-Israel), which led many people (including yours sincerely) to file an official complaint against this guy at the police.

[Gunnar Larsson]

Abbas started the entire ugly affair, just like Arafat did. First they walk away from the peace accords, then they make up a lie involving the Temple Mount to rile people up. Then they sit back and watch the carnage begin.

Since when does it make sense to say that someone started anything in the Palestine/Israel-conflict? Both sides do more than enough stupid things so that the other side always have the opportunity to use them as an excuse for their own stupid actions ad infinitum

[DavidB.]

Since when does it make sense to say that someone started anything in the Palestine/Israel-conflict? Both sides do more than enough stupid things so that the other side always have the opportunity to use them as an excuse for their own stupid actions ad infinitum

Because regardless whether people understand it or not, the truth matters.

[Hnv1]

my god an Israeli\Palestinian lying?! surely not
Yeah Abbas lied (most likely out of ignorance) it will not be the first nor the last. But you know BB doesn't have the most honest record in town either.

[Gunnar Larsson]

Since when does it make sense to say that someone started anything in the Palestine/Israel-conflict? Both sides do more than enough stupid things so that the other side always have the opportunity to use them as an excuse for their own stupid actions ad infinitum

Because regardless whether people understand it or not, the truth matters.

My point was that it doesn't make sense to blame someone for starting it, as it has been going on forever, i.e. pretty much what Hnv1 said in the last post.

[dead0man]

But there wasn't a bunch of stabbing 2 months ago.  Then Abbas lied about something.  Now there are bunch of stabbings.  And he continues to lie.  I"m not saying Israel is completely innocent, no state or person is.  I'm saying the current escalation is caused by one side escalating it.  I'm saying the people in charge of that side are encouraging that escalation.  Bibi, even with his faults, isn't encouraging Israelies to get revenge for things that didn't happen.  There aren't a bunch of Israeli teenagers running around stabbing elderly Palestinians.  Or driving their cars into a group of people, jumping out and hacking them to death with an ax.  This isn't a conflict with equal badness on both sides, never was, never has been.  It doesn't matter how much the anti-Zionists want to spin it that way.

[Hnv1]

There aren't a bunch of Israeli teenagers running around stabbing elderly Palestinians. 

Actually there are but Israel has a functioning law enforcement who stops most of them before act and deters potential hotheads (there are plenty of) from acting, also around 250-300 assault cases against Arab citizens were documented this week.

[dead0man]

I heard about one stabbing, but not the 250-300 assault cases...do you have a cite? (not that I don't believe you)

[Hnv1]

I heard about one stabbing, but not the 250-300 assault cases...do you have a cite? (not that I don't believe you)

A credible media Facebook page who received the information from the police spokesperson. Not as severe as the Palestinian incidents (no sharp objects) but lots of minor assault incidents (beating some arab store clerks and such) and a number of youth gangs being caught before act with knifes planning to attack randomly.
Edit: it's also been a bit of laugh but a couple of Jews with Sephardi background were attacked because of their Arabic look.

Difference is that Israel has a functioning law enforcement hence deterrence as well. Palestinian law enforcement is as good as the A territories stretch, beyond it it's the IDF responsibility. East Jerusalem is in a trickier positing, 33% of the Palestinian population are living between the fence and the PA meaning it's a no man's land with no enforcement at all. The rest of East Jerusalem has lacking enforcement usually by riot police ("Magav") with regular civil law enforcement and services scarce

[dead0man]

So the current flare up started because Abbas lied that Israelis were going to destroy Al Aqsa (they ain't) and encouraged the morons that still listen to him to go all stabby stabby.  Because, you know, holy sites should be protected and respected.


...you know where this is going...

[DavidB.]

Lol MSNBC...

Liar, liar, pants on fire...

So the current flare up started because Abbas lied that Israelis were going to destroy Al Aqsa (they ain't) and encouraged the morons that still listen to him to go all stabby stabby.  Because, you know, holy sites should be protected and respected.


...you know where this is going...

Yeah, next thing that happened... you won't believe it...

[dead0man]

yeah, I watched that this morning.  My favorite line

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Ayman Mohyeldin has had this same issue before, good to see the MSNBC host call him on his bull sh**t on air.

[Cory]

Two cowards stab a defenseless kid riding a bike.  One gets hit by car running from cops, Abbas tells world he was "innocent" and murdered by Israeli cops.  Except he's not dead and is about as far from innocent as a 13 year old can be.  Perhaps Abbas feels a little guilty (if that's even possible) since his previous lies are what encouraged the douchebag (and the dozens of others) to go on a stabbing spree.

It reminds me of the Michael Brown incident. It's easy to rile people up because people want to believe he was innocent because it fulfills their pre-existing narrative.

[dead0man]

Oh man, that thread was awesome.  HOW DARE YOU CHALLENGE THE NARRATIVE WE MADE UP IN OUR HEADS!

[Hnv1]

So the current flare up started because Abbas lied that Israelis were going to destroy Al Aqsa (they ain't) and encouraged the morons that still listen to him to go all stabby stabby.  Because, you know, holy sites should be protected and respected.


...you know where this is going...

You tend to oversimplify this, here is not a case of direct causality A->B (to be more precise (A->B)^(~A->~B). Al Aqsa warmongering ofc has it's effect, but whilst the status quo is de jure maintained there is also a strong current of those espousing its change with strong delegates in government (Uri Ariel for instance), the Palestinians are not blind to this surging temple movement which made claims to changes in the actual status quo, so the propaganda regarding what's happening found a fertile ground.

To add to this there were other elements that created a fertile ground for hostility such as: the lack of prosecution for those in charge to the Doma burning which made Palestinians question the ability of the PA and the IDF to protect them from settlers violence; the lack of a diplomatic process giving hope; deteriorating economic conditions in east Jerusalem and the void created there between Israel and the PA; weakening of the PA (and Hamas) in the west bank; youth uneployment; and etc.

Claiming Al Aqsa started this is like saying the assassination of Franz Ferdinand started WWI - might be the spark but there was a barrel of explosives in place anyway