People's Pat on IL shutdown: "Chickens coming home to roost"

[Mr. Illini]

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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/kevin-mcdermott/former-ill-gov-quinn-s-assessment-of-rauner-chickens-coming/article_225eace5-354f-502d-9b63-40c2de451776.html

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[Miles]

The People shouldn't have thrown out their champion.

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Where did that nickname come from?

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

The People shouldn't have thrown out their champion.

If Quinn really cared about the people, he would have passed policies that resulted in a rebounding of the IL economy. Instead, as of October 2014, the underemployment rate was at an unacceptable 18 percent: http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2014/10/lllinois-true-unemployment-rate-an-estimated-181-percent.html

As much as IL's democratic legislature might want to think otherwise, just sitting around and bashing Rauner while trying to pass stuff that is cynically designed to weaken him isn't going to fix that. There needs to be real, constructive reforms here. Unfortunately, it appears that the legislature would rather be without a budget for the next 4 years rather than enact common sense reforms to fix a very broken state. Hopefully that changes soon.

[Miles]

^ Oh please. Stop beating a dead horse. Yes, unfortunately for the People, they threw out their champion. Lucky in 2018, they'll have a good chance to correct things.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

^ Oh please. Stop beating a dead horse. Yes, unfortunately for the People, they threw out their champion. Lucky in 2018, they'll have a good chance to correct things.

Apparently you enjoy watching other states crash. I have no such vendetta against other states. Bashing Rauner while accomplishing nothing for 4 years and then electing another representative of the Chicago machine will be a clear net negative for the state.

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

Yeah, I agree. IL's democratic legislature is trying to make sure Rauner won't get reelected.

They're taking a page out of the Republican Congress's playbook. I have a feeling they'll be more successful.

[Türkisblau]

Yeah, I agree. IL's democratic legislature is trying to make sure Rauner won't get reelected.

Why is the biggest anti-hack always the biggest hack? So sad.

[Green Line]

Why is this news?  Pat Quinn is still bitter about his defeat last year.  Shocking.  Did you expect him to say Rauner was doing a great job?  Somebody point me to a poll that shows people longing for Pat Quinn to come back, you won't find one.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

^ Oh please. Stop beating a dead horse. Yes, unfortunately for the People, they threw out their champion. Lucky in 2018, they'll have a good chance to correct things.

Yes, such a "Champion", that people were/are leaving the state because it was just so wonderful with ever-higher taxes, soaring cost of living, a stagnant economy, ever-growing government and pension costs swallowing up any new revenues, and the inability for people to save as their tax bills went higher and higher (in some places, you'll pay $6,000 in taxes on a $75,000 plot of land. How are you supposed to save anything at that rate?).


I guess in 2020, when the Census probably will reveal more population loss for Chicago, Rahm Emanuel will be lauded on this forum as the "People's Rahm" or something. I love the city and the state, but please, Pat Quinn was a wimp when it came to standing up to Madigan and a pathetic Governor.

[Green Line]

^ Oh please. Stop beating a dead horse. Yes, unfortunately for the People, they threw out their champion. Lucky in 2018, they'll have a good chance to correct things.

Yes, such a "Champion", that people were/are leaving the state because it was just so wonderful with ever-higher taxes, soaring cost of living, a stagnant economy, ever-growing government and pension costs swallowing up any new revenues, and the inability for people to save as their tax bills went higher and higher (in some places, you'll pay $6,000 in taxes on a $75,000 plot of land. How are you supposed to save anything at that rate?).


I guess in 2020, when the Census probably will reveal more population loss for Chicago, Rahm Emanuel will be lauded on this forum as the "People's Rahm" or something. I love the city and the state, but please, Pat Quinn was a wimp when it came to standing up to Madigan and a pathetic Governor.

Agreed, nobody from Illinois is calling him a "champion" of the people, not even most Democrats.  He was one of the most unpopular governors in Illinois history, and most of the people who voted for him still didn't like him, they just hated Rauner even more.  You sound like the one beating a dead horse.

[Bojack Horseman]

Yeah, I agree. IL's democratic legislature is trying to make sure Rauner won't get reelected.

They're taking a page out of the Republican Congress's playbook. I have a feeling they'll be more successful.

They're all for their top priority being to defeat their opposite-party executive until it happens to them.

[Rockefeller GOP]

^ Oh please. Stop beating a dead horse. Yes, unfortunately for the People, they threw out their champion. Lucky in 2018, they'll have a good chance to correct things.

Democrat from LA defends failed Democrat from IL??  Talk about a match made in heaven.

Quinn has made that absolute joke of a state in even WORSE shape (who knew that was possible...), and Rauner is rendered incapable of fixing it, yet he's the villain.  Atlas.

[Mr. Illini]

^ Oh please. Stop beating a dead horse. Yes, unfortunately for the People, they threw out their champion. Lucky in 2018, they'll have a good chance to correct things.

Yes, such a "Champion", that people were/are leaving the state because it was just so wonderful with ever-higher taxes, soaring cost of living, a stagnant economy, ever-growing government and pension costs swallowing up any new revenues, and the inability for people to save as their tax bills went higher and higher (in some places, you'll pay $6,000 in taxes on a $75,000 plot of land. How are you supposed to save anything at that rate?).


I guess in 2020, when the Census probably will reveal more population loss for Chicago, Rahm Emanuel will be lauded on this forum as the "People's Rahm" or something. I love the city and the state, but please, Pat Quinn was a wimp when it came to standing up to Madigan and a pathetic Governor.

Agreed, nobody from Illinois is calling him a "champion" of the people, not even most Democrats.  He was one of the most unpopular governors in Illinois history, and most of the people who voted for him still didn't like him, they just hated Rauner even more.  You sound like the one beating a dead horse.

Look at that, Green Line is appointing himself the Voice of Illinois - and even Illinois Democrats at that!

The fact of the matter is that Pat Quinn was unpopular in this state, and Rauner is on track to be far more unpopular by the time he faces re-election in 2018.

When Quinn left office, his approval rating was 36%. Rauner's approval rating now, just ten months into his term? 37%.

Illinois is a state full of Democrats that didn't show up to vote last year (look at popular Durbin winning much more narrowly than expected). Many downstate Dems that did show up to vote jumped parties to protest Quinn, not to vote for Rauner.

The chickens will surely come home to roost in 2018, regardless of what the out-of-state Rs on Atlas are saying about what they think about Illinois' situation.

[Green Line]

^ Oh please. Stop beating a dead horse. Yes, unfortunately for the People, they threw out their champion. Lucky in 2018, they'll have a good chance to correct things.

July 2015: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_IL_72915.pdf

Nov 2014: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2014/ILResults.pdf

Yes, such a "Champion", that people were/are leaving the state because it was just so wonderful with ever-higher taxes, soaring cost of living, a stagnant economy, ever-growing government and pension costs swallowing up any new revenues, and the inability for people to save as their tax bills went higher and higher (in some places, you'll pay $6,000 in taxes on a $75,000 plot of land. How are you supposed to save anything at that rate?).


I guess in 2020, when the Census probably will reveal more population loss for Chicago, Rahm Emanuel will be lauded on this forum as the "People's Rahm" or something. I love the city and the state, but please, Pat Quinn was a wimp when it came to standing up to Madigan and a pathetic Governor.

Agreed, nobody from Illinois is calling him a "champion" of the people, not even most Democrats.  He was one of the most unpopular governors in Illinois history, and most of the people who voted for him still didn't like him, they just hated Rauner even more.  You sound like the one beating a dead horse.

Look at that, Green Line is appointing himself the Voice of Illinois - and even Illinois Democrats at that!

The fact of the matter is that Pat Quinn was unpopular in this state, and Rauner is on track to be far more unpopular by the time he faces re-election in 2018.

When Quinn left office, his approval rating was 36%. Rauner's approval rating now, just ten months into his term? 37%.

Illinois is a state full of Democrats that didn't show up to vote last year (look at popular Durbin winning much more narrowly than expected). Many downstate Dems that did show up to vote jumped parties to protest Quinn, not to vote for Rauner.

The chickens will surely come home to roost in 2018, regardless of what the out-of-state Rs on Atlas are saying about what they think about Illinois' situation.

You keep saying that, but where are the polls to back it up?  The lastest PPP poll from late July has Rauners approval at 37/43 approve/disapprove.  Not great but not too bad considering the state govt. has been shut down for months.  PPP's final poll of the Illinois governor's race showed Pat Quinn at 31/54.  -6 vs -23... So how is he on track to be far more unpopular?

Also, turnout was about the same as 2010 and higher than 2006.  Hopefully you've got a lot of chickens hiding out somewhere!

[Ebsy]

Anyone with half a brain could see that Rauner is toast come reelection.

[Vosem]

Well, when Rauner is still in office in the mid-2030s and about to eclipse Terry Branstad's record as longest-serving Governor ever, this thread and Pat Quinn will both look very silly.

[Skye]

Anyone with half a brain could see that Rauner is toast come reelection.

Anyone with half a brain recognizes 3 years is more than enough time for some things to change.

[smoltchanov]

Anyone with half a brain could see that Rauner is toast come reelection.

3 years before election time? Nonsense. I remember the same said about Walker in 2011...

[Bandit3 the Worker]

If only he hadn't picked Paul Vallas as his running mate.

[Mr. Illini]

^ Oh please. Stop beating a dead horse. Yes, unfortunately for the People, they threw out their champion. Lucky in 2018, they'll have a good chance to correct things.

July 2015: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_IL_72915.pdf

Nov 2014: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2014/ILResults.pdf

Yes, such a "Champion", that people were/are leaving the state because it was just so wonderful with ever-higher taxes, soaring cost of living, a stagnant economy, ever-growing government and pension costs swallowing up any new revenues, and the inability for people to save as their tax bills went higher and higher (in some places, you'll pay $6,000 in taxes on a $75,000 plot of land. How are you supposed to save anything at that rate?).


I guess in 2020, when the Census probably will reveal more population loss for Chicago, Rahm Emanuel will be lauded on this forum as the "People's Rahm" or something. I love the city and the state, but please, Pat Quinn was a wimp when it came to standing up to Madigan and a pathetic Governor.

Agreed, nobody from Illinois is calling him a "champion" of the people, not even most Democrats.  He was one of the most unpopular governors in Illinois history, and most of the people who voted for him still didn't like him, they just hated Rauner even more.  You sound like the one beating a dead horse.

Look at that, Green Line is appointing himself the Voice of Illinois - and even Illinois Democrats at that!

The fact of the matter is that Pat Quinn was unpopular in this state, and Rauner is on track to be far more unpopular by the time he faces re-election in 2018.

When Quinn left office, his approval rating was 36%. Rauner's approval rating now, just ten months into his term? 37%.

Illinois is a state full of Democrats that didn't show up to vote last year (look at popular Durbin winning much more narrowly than expected). Many downstate Dems that did show up to vote jumped parties to protest Quinn, not to vote for Rauner.

The chickens will surely come home to roost in 2018, regardless of what the out-of-state Rs on Atlas are saying about what they think about Illinois' situation.

You keep saying that, but where are the polls to back it up?  The lastest PPP poll from late July has Rauners approval at 37/43 approve/disapprove.  Not great but not too bad considering the state govt. has been shut down for months.  PPP's final poll of the Illinois governor's race showed Pat Quinn at 31/54.  -6 vs -23... So how is he on track to be far more unpopular?

Also, turnout was about the same as 2010 and higher than 2006.  Hopefully you've got a lot of chickens hiding out somewhere!

Quinn took office in January of 2009, and Rass showed his approvals that August at 47/49 approval/disapproval. Rauner's approvals collapsed as soon as he got into office, falling below 40 as early as April of this year - just four months in.

2006 Blago and 2010 Quinn were far more popular than 2014 Quinn, and yet neither were popular. Pat Quinn will not be on the ballot in 2018. The Dems in 2018 will surely give their best candidate for 2018 (it is a disgrace to have a state like Illinois governed by a Pub), which will drive turnout and will prevent crossover seen in the last two cycles (and defection to Green in 2006).

A Madigan bid would wipe Rauner from politics for good. Frerichs would be strong as well.

[Mr. Illini]

Anyone with half a brain could see that Rauner is toast come reelection.

3 years before election time? Nonsense. I remember the same said about Walker in 2011...

Illinois =/= Wisconsin

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Anyone with half a brain could see that Rauner is toast come reelection.

3 years before election time? Nonsense. I remember the same said about Walker in 2011...

Illinois =/= Wisconsin

Your 2014 predictions worked out so well, right?


I'd say that come 2018, most likely with Hillary in the White House and a midterm backlash, plus a "We don't like this guy, but we really don't want to give full control back to the Democrats" mentality might just allow Rauner to squeak by.

[smoltchanov]

Anyone with half a brain could see that Rauner is toast come reelection.

3 years before election time? Nonsense. I remember the same said about Walker in 2011...

Illinois =/= Wisconsin

So what? Both states =/= Hawaii... Any conclusions from that?

[Mr. Illini]

Anyone with half a brain could see that Rauner is toast come reelection.

3 years before election time? Nonsense. I remember the same said about Walker in 2011...

Illinois =/= Wisconsin

So what? Both states =/= Hawaii... Any conclusions from that?

Probably not, since Hawaii wasn't one of the states you originally compared