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« on: October 06, 2015, 06:05:28 PM »

Jeb Bush Should Face Facts: It’s Time to Drop Out
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This is the Daily Beast's headline, not mine.

And so it begins.  I still can't comprehend why Jeb Bush is first on Betfair.  He is a terrible, gaffe-prone candidate with all the baggage that comes with his last name.
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2015, 06:10:41 PM »

Talk about bluntness. But someone has to say It.
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2015, 06:48:00 PM »

I'm not Bush hack, but this is a bit premature, most notably the notion about "all that money spent." Jeb's campaign and Super PAC have just started to tap their money for paid TV so it is too early to tell.

That being said, the establishment wing and party elites don't like that there isn't a consensus candidate yet. Right now Bush, Rubio, Kasich and even Christie all have signs of strength. Bush needs to be leading that pack clearly in a month (following the debate and his TV campaign) to prove he is the one.
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2015, 06:49:16 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2015, 06:54:58 PM »

It is early October, by this point in 2012 Rick Perry and Herman Cain looked like candidates that could secure the nomination. Bush is slightly ahead in picking endorsements, which are going to make all the difference when it comes to meeting voters and bringing in donors. Bush could slip behind for sure, but dropping out this early, when there are other candidates who are going to have to go first, is foolish.

This is the media trying to make the race "more exciting" by pretending someone has to drop out every so often. Most candidates are going to be smart enough to see through it.
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2015, 07:00:16 PM »

For all his advantages, such as endorsements, he should be doing better in the polls. Most people think this race will come down to Bush and Kasich, but that simply is not a reality. Reality is that Bush is not in a good position to win the nomination.
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2015, 07:05:00 PM »

Rather reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCuCiDaD-so
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2015, 07:16:02 PM »

It is early October, by this point in 2012 Rick Perry and Herman Cain looked like candidates that could secure the nomination. Bush is slightly ahead in picking endorsements, which are going to make all the difference when it comes to meeting voters and bringing in donors. Bush could slip behind for sure, but dropping out this early, when there are other candidates who are going to have to go first, is foolish.

This is the media trying to make the race "more exciting" by pretending someone has to drop out every so often. Most candidates are going to be smart enough to see through it.



vs.



At this point four years ago.

Notice the big glaring difference between Mitt Romney's stable status as the consensus candidate in the low-mid 20s vs Jeb Bush dwindling into nothing in high single digits? There's pretty significant differences between these two cycles, and Jeb Bush polling around where Ron Paul 2012 was polling and in fifth(!) place is a pretty major one from Romney trading between first and close second while not having his actual numbers really budge from their position of strength.
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2015, 12:17:42 AM »

This idea that a candidate who is in the top five in a field of 14 candidates should drop out four months before the first contest is ludicrous. People who argue Romney was doing better at this point four years ago fail to recognize that Romney had far fewer opponents. Donald Trump is the front-runner, no one disputes that. But eight years ago, Rudy Giuliani was the front-runner, while the front-runner normally wins on the GOP side, it isn't set in stone.
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2015, 01:57:12 AM »

Memo:
Jeb, the last thing you need is a bunch of know it all naysayers telling you that you need to drop out, I mean it's not like they have run a campaign, much less, what it takes to compete. You are a thoroughbred true and true. The fact is that Trump is sustained by the media's fascination with him, people are beginning to grow bored  with him. The one thing about Trump is that he's predictable by his blatant unpredictability. I am comforted by the fact you have a cool head and are waiting out this feeding frenzy over Trump. It's four months to go before the first votes are cast, so keep that in mind and keep the faith to. My gut is saying wait this dry spell out and folks will rediscover your pluses, if you recall John McCain's campaign was basically in the toilet this time eight years ago, but he brazened it out, why? Because he was made of sterner stuff. There are reasons why folks are anxious for you to drop out, they deny this...but we both know they are liars😉...they simply want you gone, because they need to shut down the contest, just in case Trump begins his much awaited meltdown. A gaffe too many,  Trump fatigue or other dynamics. Stay put, there's no incentive for you to withdraw, you have a huge donor base and a super PAC to see you through this dry spell. Your presence in the race must be an irritant to Trump and his acolytes, which is brilliant😊.  So hang in there Vito Corleone😊
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2015, 02:13:15 AM »

Jeb's presence in the race is a godsend for Trump.  It's impossible to imagine a better punching bag.  He's backed by the establishment but hated by the base, making him a perfect foil for Trump; he's awkward and wimpy and poor at defending himself, making him an easy target; and he has so many weaknesses that it's impossible for Trump to miss.

Trump may not survive the race but his absolute demolition of Jeb has been fun for everyone and part of what's built his favorability numbers up.
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2015, 09:38:42 AM »

Jeb still has a plausible path to the nomination, though. The difference between Rubio and Jeb in the polls isn't that significant.

There is also a rationale for Jeb that if Rubio is unable to withstand the scrutiny that comes with being a top-tier candidate, a race without Jeb lacks establishment alternatives. Fiorina's highest profile role has mixed reviews (and that's being generous.) Kaisch isn't doing too well. That leaves Christe as the beneficiary.

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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2015, 09:47:56 AM »

This idea that a candidate who is in the top five in a field of 14 candidates should drop out four months before the first contest is ludicrous. People who argue Romney was doing better at this point four years ago fail to recognize that Romney had far fewer opponents. Donald Trump is the front-runner, no one disputes that. But eight years ago, Rudy Giuliani was the front-runner, while the front-runner normally wins on the GOP side, it isn't set in stone.

where is ¿yeb? gonna get the extra votes from though?
¿yeb? + all the candidates behind him whose supporters could feasibly support ¿yeb? = still only 14.8%
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2015, 10:20:26 AM »

If Bush drops out and Rubio implodes, who does the establishment have?

Making its peace with Trump, giving Kasich a brain transplant, losing the general and damaging what credibility their brand has left with Fiorina, or drafting someone.
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2015, 02:59:04 PM »

Jeb's presence in the race is a godsend for Trump.  It's impossible to imagine a better punching bag.  He's backed by the establishment but hated by the base, making him a perfect foil for Trump; he's awkward and wimpy and poor at defending himself, making him an easy target; and he has so many weaknesses that it's impossible for Trump to miss.

Trump may not survive the race but his absolute demolition of Jeb has been fun for everyone and part of what's built his favorability numbers up.
If you think so, but if you are offering a statement, preface it with "in my opinion" and you know about opinions, they are like assholes,  everyone has one. Now as for what you say about Jeb being wimpy. He's been in the public and private sectors,  done pretty good jobs in both situations.  He's been in the arena, has competed in electoral combat...you call that wimpy? At least he's had the ball's to serve in position where governing is a required skill. As for Trump, the only thing that guy has done, is enrich himself,  abuse the tax loopholes for his own ends, gone bankrupt,  bagged a few trophy wives along the way, the worst example of obnoxious vanity inspired excess I have ever seen. By the way Trump, the wind-bag has never won an election, never even served as a dog - catcher,  so how does he think he has  the stuff to assume he's qualified to serve as President? Because its there? Give me a break! I don't know which would be worse, an egomaniac blow-hard who loves the sound of his own voice, who doesn't know sh**t from shinola about governing or policy nor forging consensus or a lying phony who's biggest accomplishment was to nail Bill Clinton. Take your pick, but in my humble opinion, either of those two, would be unmitigated disasters in the presidency?
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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2015, 03:06:47 PM »

Its way too early for that.
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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2015, 05:17:42 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2015, 05:20:20 PM by EliteLX »

It's so funny seeing MSNBC & left-biased media try and push the GOP's actual viable candidates out of the race (Rubio, Jeb, Ben..). As soon as the spotlight or discussion shines on a certain person in the MSM, liberal media whines & cries and tries to shred them apart.

Jeb Bush is the most strongly funded, has the strongest record out of them all, huge connections in the political world, has the warmest heart out of the whole crowd, unanimous name recognition, and has been in the top tier for just about the entire race, and frankly I think Jeb is hanging on by a step or two back while the "outsider" flavor o' the months die out and he comes back into the spotlight once the primary electorate realizes the whole political outsider gig sounded nice but Ben, Carly Fiorina, and the walking almond are not suited for the highest office in the land.

There are no "facts" that this article speaks of, and the author is an actual nimwit. Bush has a while to go before he even needs to START to consider a possibility of not sealing the nomination next year.
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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2015, 05:23:36 PM »

NIMWIT IS NOT A WORD
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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2015, 05:34:07 PM »


https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nimwit
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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2015, 05:36:58 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2015, 11:19:23 PM »

There is no reason for Jeb Bush to drop out now.  I can't stand him, but there's no reason for him to drop out.

The guys that should drop out, of course, are Pataki, Christie, Graham, Jindal, and Gilmore.  That's just for starters.
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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2015, 01:10:17 AM »


Actual dictionaries show either nitwit or dimwit.
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2015, 01:39:34 AM »

There is no reason for Jeb Bush to drop out now.  I can't stand him, but there's no reason for him to drop out.

The guys that should drop out, of course, are Pataki, Christie, Graham, Jindal, and Gilmore.  That's just for starters.
.....and ad Trump to that list...he said he would, if his polling numbers  start to decline,  which they have...or maybe it's all about his book, another publicity stunt to ensure his so-called viability. What's his next stunt...to sky dive naked off Trump Tower?  He's a publicity junkie. You are right, Jeb shouldn't drop out...why should he? As long as he has Super PAC and money in the bank...no incentive!
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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2015, 08:02:25 AM »

I argued months ago there is a plausible scenario where even if Bush hasn't won any states, he stays in and bets on Florida turning it around. He's still a good bet to be the establishment's pick. Though Rubio has momentum and he doesn't, Bush has only recently begun to run ads, only barely begun to attack Rubio and has yet to begin attacking Rubio with ads. On top of that, we've yet to see who gets hurt in Trump vs Rubio. Bush might get lucky and it'd be both.
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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2015, 08:15:30 AM »

I argued months ago there is a plausible scenario where even if Bush hasn't won any states, he stays in and bets on Florida turning it around.

You do realize that 25 states have primaries or caucuses before Florida does?  How is winning his home state going to turn things around after he's just lost 25 contests?
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