Carson says he would have attacked Oregon gunman

[Mr. Morden]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/07/ben-carson-says-would-have-charged-oregon-community-college-gunman/

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Why didn’t anyone else think of this strategy?

[Mr. Morden]

More here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-gop-dr-ben-carson-gun-control/

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[Blair]

Oh god I remember seeing this and laughing my head off, Carson is honestly bat crap crazy

[Stranger in a strange land]

This will cause his polling numbers to increase.

[Donald Trump 2016 !]

This is why black people die first in horror films.

[DrScholl]

This is why black people die first in horror films.

ROFL!

[Mr. Morden]

In a similar vein, Carson says the Holocaust might not have happened if the citizenry of Germany had more guns:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/carson-suggests-that-gun-rights-might-have-prevented-the-holocaust/2015/10/08/99a82d9e-6df2-11e5-9bfe-e59f5e244f92_story.html

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[Kingpoleon]

No, armed Jews would have been unable to kill any Nazis and end WWII quicker.

As for attacking the Oregon gunman, while I don't see Carson doing it, does anyone think that we shouldn't charge someone who is shooting people one at a time?

[Stockdale for Veep]

Gotta love monday morning quarterbacking shooting victims. 99% of us would be near immobile due to shock.

Carson reminds me of my college roommate, an immense idiot who was an engineering major because he was naturally good at math.

[Mr. Reactionary]

I don't see the problem with Carson's answer. If a shooter goes into a school and starts randomly killing people, EVERYONE has a duty to stop the killer. Have some students pelt the shooter with books or whatever to make it harder to aim while the rest charge. Better to die on your feet than dying on your knees after watching your friends killed 1 by 1.

[Bigby]

Well, I admire your bravery, doc, but you're not swole like the actual guy who took him down.

[socaldem]

No, armed Jews would have been unable to kill any Nazis and end WWII quicker.

As for attacking the Oregon gunman, while I don't see Carson doing it, does anyone think that we shouldn't charge someone who is shooting people one at a time?

While dogpiling an untrained gunman does make some sense (and actually worked out well with a trained terrorist in France), it runs so strongly against average human psychology that it's unlikely a meaningful number of people would do it at one time absent military style training.  Note that in France, 2 of the intervenors were off-duty military.  Also, the probability of one person in the dogpile group being killed/critically injured approaches certainty.  "Just pretend they don't have a gun and take them down" may well be the optimal strategy in some cases, but again the mental barrier is almost insurmountable.  

Also, while German Jews clearly couldn't have overthrown the Nazi government by force, I do think that in a world where every other German family had a gun in the 1930's, there would have been a decent chance of persecuted groups starting a civil war and drawing the US/UK in earlier.

It's ridiculous that Carson is drawing us into insane Holocaust-related counterfactuals.

But I have coincidentally been reading some recent articles which discuss how the worst atrocities of the Holocaust (i.e. the places where Jews were least likely to escape) were in Eastern European warzones. Whereas there was a draw-up of oppression in Germany with Kristallnacht and Nuremberg Laws leading to Jews being rounded up into ghettos and, then, death camps, in the chaotic warzones of Eastern Europe, Jews were simply slaughtered in the streets en masse by their own neighbors, Nazis, and Nazi collaborators.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2015/09/holocaust_history_misunderstood_it_has_provided_moral_cover_for_the_wars.html

If German Jews had attempted to resist Nazism through armed rebellion against the German state, they would not have been successful. Meanwhile, the already intense paranoia and propaganda against them would have intensified and, I expect, the tragic events of the Holocaust would have accelerated in speed, reducing the chances for victims to escape and/or survive.

In other words, the best strategy for European Jewry was to get the F&#$ out and until they could successfully do that, to lay low. And if they could not escape, the best strategy was to try to lay low until liberation. This is, historically, how Holocaust survivors did, in fact, survive.

Does Ben Carson think that the best way for blacks to overcome slavery in the South would have been through open slave revolts? Historical slave revolts, while noble, were quickly quashed and led to even more paranoia by Southern whites. The only way out of slavery as an institution was through the intervention of an external power--the North, which was more powerful than the South. For those who were stuck in bondage, the best options for survival were to either attempt escape to the North or to carry on and pray for the best.

Does Carson believe that the most effective way to fight the violence of Jim Crowe would have been through a black panther-style revolt by African Americans? That would've only caused retrenchment and would have reduced the sympathy factor that was so crucial in gaining the support of Northern liberals who intervened with policies on the federal level.

It's really not surprising that tea partiers advocate a philosophy of fighting to the death in fights they can not win. That is their political modus operanda. Fight to the death even if there is no possiblity of success and even if, by provoking the fight, they make the country's problems far worse.

[Landslide Lyndon]

And some people think this idiot's GE polling numbers will stay high when the media and voters start scrutinizing him.

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In a similar vein, Carson says the Holocaust might not have happened if the citizenry of Germany had more guns:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/carson-suggests-that-gun-rights-might-have-prevented-the-holocaust/2015/10/08/99a82d9e-6df2-11e5-9bfe-e59f5e244f92_story.html

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What a clown. The Nazis didn't really have gun control for people they weren't trying to exterminate.

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/

[Blair]

Also, while German Jews clearly couldn't have overthrown the Nazi government by force, I do think that in a world where every other German family had a gun in the 1930's, there would have been a decent chance of persecuted groups starting a civil war and drawing the US/UK in earlier.

This is such lazy history, ignoring the fact that the Nazis won parliamentary elections and had complete control over the state you're honestly just going to end up like the people at the Waco Siege. Even if every family had a gun why would they rise up when the Nazis were for the majority of the population pretty popular?

Heck, a Jewish guy in 1938 shot the German Ambassador to France and it triggered race riots. How is armed resistance going to work?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

So Carson is basically the candidate of the people who leave comments on YouTube videos? Interesting.

[bedstuy]

I like community college students who don't get killed by mass shooters.

[Mr. Reactionary]

What a clown. The Nazis didn't really have gun control for people they weren't trying to exterminate.

[ObamaThirdTerm]

Wouldn't be the first person this psycho clown attacked. Wasn't he bragging about stabbing someone? This man should be locked away and yet the Republican Party is trying to make him President.