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« on: October 07, 2015, 09:29:49 AM »

And replaces it with "Indigenous People Day"

http://www.newsiosity.com/articles/society/oklahoma-city-replaces-columbus-day-indigenous-peoples-day

I am STUNNED. Liberal action in OKLAHOMA. Not surprising that Minneapolis did this year's ago but somewhere in Oklahoma is doing something progressive?
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2015, 09:35:46 AM »

Why not have both Columbus Day and Indigenous People's Day?
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2015, 09:44:22 AM »

Why not have both Columbus Day and Indigenous People's Day?

For the same reason we don't have a Mao Day or a Pol Pot Day.
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2015, 09:44:52 AM »

I guess things like this are why "guilt liberal" has understandably become a pejorative.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2015, 09:47:00 AM »

Took 'em long enough
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2015, 09:49:54 AM »

I guess things like this are why "guilt liberal" has understandably become a pejorative.

What, you think we should celebrate Columbus?
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2015, 09:50:33 AM »

I'm not too surprised at this; there are a lot of Native Americans in Oklahoma. Charles Curtis was from there.
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2015, 09:54:44 AM »

I guess things like this are why "guilt liberal" has understandably become a pejorative.

Because liberals don't believe in honoring an enslaving, torturing, mass raping, genocidal tyrant?

Columbus was easily one of the worst humans of all time. Even by the standards of his time most people recognized him as a monster (the monarchs responsible for the Spanish Inquisition thought he was too brutal and removed him from his post), he's up there as noted with Mao and Pol Pot, and historical ones like Genghis Khan and Leopold II.
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2015, 10:09:07 AM »

And replaces it with "Indigenous People Day"

http://www.newsiosity.com/articles/society/oklahoma-city-replaces-columbus-day-indigenous-peoples-day

I am STUNNED. Liberal action in OKLAHOMA. Not surprising that Minneapolis did this year's ago but somewhere in Oklahoma is doing something progressive?

1) You really need to get your self-inflated image of yourself, your locale and your ideology under control.  Opposing the celebration of Columbus Day is not a "liberal" thing in and of itself.  Period.

2) Oklahoma is FILLED with American Indians ... how on EARTH does this surprise you?
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2015, 10:13:24 AM »

And replaces it with "Indigenous People Day"

http://www.newsiosity.com/articles/society/oklahoma-city-replaces-columbus-day-indigenous-peoples-day

I am STUNNED. Liberal action in OKLAHOMA. Not surprising that Minneapolis did this year's ago but somewhere in Oklahoma is doing something progressive?

1) You really need to get your self-inflated image of yourself, your locale and your ideology under control.  Opposing the celebration of Columbus Day is not a "liberal" thing in and of itself.  Period.

2) Oklahoma is FILLED with American Indians ... how on EARTH does this surprise you?

Look at a list of cities that have abolished Columbus Day previously. It's places like Berkley, Seattle, San Francisco, Denver, Minneapolis, liberal strongholds.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2015, 10:16:30 AM »
« Edited: October 07, 2015, 10:19:19 AM by TDAS04 »

And replaces it with "Indigenous People Day"

http://www.newsiosity.com/articles/society/oklahoma-city-replaces-columbus-day-indigenous-peoples-day

I am STUNNED. Liberal action in OKLAHOMA. Not surprising that Minneapolis did this year's ago but somewhere in Oklahoma is doing something progressive?

1) You really need to get your self-inflated image of yourself, your locale and your ideology under control.  Opposing the celebration of Columbus Day is not a "liberal" thing in and of itself.  Period.

2) Oklahoma is FILLED with American Indians ... how on EARTH does this surprise you?

Look at a list of cities that have abolished Columbus Day previously. It's places like Berkley, Seattle, San Francisco, Denver, Minneapolis, liberal strongholds.

South Dakota is the only state to have done so, but it's conservative (maybe not as conservative as Oklahoma, though).

I'm not too surprised at this; there are a lot of Native Americans in Oklahoma. Charles Curtis was from there.

Curtis was from Kansas, but yeah, Oklahoma has a large Native population.
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2015, 10:31:06 AM »

Approximately 71,800 Native Americans live in South Dakota. (8.5%), 
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2015, 10:35:00 AM »
« Edited: October 07, 2015, 10:38:32 AM by RINO Tom »

And replaces it with "Indigenous People Day"

http://www.newsiosity.com/articles/society/oklahoma-city-replaces-columbus-day-indigenous-peoples-day

I am STUNNED. Liberal action in OKLAHOMA. Not surprising that Minneapolis did this year's ago but somewhere in Oklahoma is doing something progressive?

1) You really need to get your self-inflated image of yourself, your locale and your ideology under control.  Opposing the celebration of Columbus Day is not a "liberal" thing in and of itself.  Period.

2) Oklahoma is FILLED with American Indians ... how on EARTH does this surprise you?

Look at a list of cities that have abolished Columbus Day previously. It's places like Berkley, Seattle, San Francisco, Denver, Minneapolis, liberal strongholds.

Correlation vs. causation.  Conservatives (though split on the issue) tend to be more hawkish now, but in times past liberals (while also split) were more clearly more hawkish.  I don't believe we should relabel being more hawkish as conservative or liberal every 20-30 years because one party saw it as more politically advantageous at the time; it's neither.

Same with this.  Liberals exploited racial tension, ignoring civil rights for the first half of the 20th Century.  Conservatives did the same in the latter half.  It's hard to decide that one or the other is inherently conservative or liberal with that in mind, at least the way we use the terms now a days.  I understand you'd probably rather live with a narrative that glorifies your other views along the way by always associating your ideology with what history has deemed the "right" thing, but I don't accept that revisionism.
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2015, 10:43:07 AM »

I guess things like this are why "guilt liberal" has understandably become a pejorative.

What, you think we should celebrate Columbus?

I guess things like this are why "guilt liberal" has understandably become a pejorative.

Because liberals don't believe in honoring an enslaving, torturing, mass raping, genocidal tyrant?

Columbus was easily one of the worst humans of all time. Even by the standards of his time most people recognized him as a monster (the monarchs responsible for the Spanish Inquisition thought he was too brutal and removed him from his post), he's up there as noted with Mao and Pol Pot, and historical ones like Genghis Khan and Leopold II.

What I don't think we should do is strip away from him what he did, which was open up the other half of the world to exploration, trade, and yes, conquest. I'm also reacting more against "Indigenous People Day" or whatever than I am for "Columbus Day." I thought for some time that we should just call it "Exploration Day" or something like that.

Yes, his sensibilities were rooted in the middle 15th century, but when religious organizations were burning people alive for being heretics, I don't understand turning Columbus into a villain. Might be that he does not have a religion behind him.
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2015, 11:38:38 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2015, 11:44:49 AM »

Columbus Day is often celebrated as an Italian-American heritage day. Not that I care much for Christopher Columbus, nor do I think it's any municipality's job to get every group their own day, but I do wonder: What would Italian-Americans replace it with? Just ignore the fact that everyone else is celebrating "Indigenous People's Day" and celebrate Columbus Day on their own?
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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2015, 11:47:09 AM »

How are we sure that they are socially liberal?  I remember somewhere on the internet there was a Native American guy who was arguing against gay marriage and had a link to an anti-Columbus day group on his sig.
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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2015, 12:00:52 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2015, 12:03:17 PM by shua »

Indigenous peoples, like everyone else, have their own holidays and festivals specific to their own varied traditions, so setting up an "Indigenous Peoples Day" is pretty cringe.    It would make sense to have an "Americas Day" or something like that which would recognize the world that Columbus' expeditions brought forth, but also the role of non-Europeans.
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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2015, 12:10:42 PM »


When I was in school they taught us about the Trail of Tears.

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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2015, 12:12:56 PM »

Not that surprising considering Oklahoma used to be Indian Territory.
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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2015, 01:32:53 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2015, 02:45:07 PM »

I love these thinly veiled excuses to brag about Minneapolis.

"I can't believe somewhere in Oklahoma actually di... I mean MINNEAPOLIS DID THIS YEARS AGO ALONG WITH MANY OTHER AGREEABLY AWESOME AND SUPERIORLY PROGRESSIVE THINGS BECAUSE MINNEAPOLIS IS THE GREATEST BECAUSE IT'S WHERE I LIVE.. I mean sitll though I can't believe Jokelahoma could harbor such a place unlike MINNEAPOLIS WHICH HARBORS ALL KINDS OF AGREEABLY AWESOME AND SUPERIORLY PROGRESSIVE THINGS LIKE EVERYTHING A PROGRESSIVE COULD EVER WANT LIKE SPITTING IN CONSERVATIVES' DINNERS!"
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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2015, 04:52:20 PM »

I love these thinly veiled excuses to brag about Minneapolis.

"I can't believe somewhere in Oklahoma actually di... I mean MINNEAPOLIS DID THIS YEARS AGO ALONG WITH MANY OTHER AGREEABLY AWESOME AND SUPERIORLY PROGRESSIVE THINGS BECAUSE MINNEAPOLIS IS THE GREATEST BECAUSE IT'S WHERE I LIVE.. I mean sitll though I can't believe Jokelahoma could harbor such a place unlike MINNEAPOLIS WHICH HARBORS ALL KINDS OF AGREEABLY AWESOME AND SUPERIORLY PROGRESSIVE THINGS LIKE EVERYTHING A PROGRESSIVE COULD EVER WANT LIKE SPITTING IN CONSERVATIVES' DINNERS!"

This made me laugh.
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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2015, 05:20:56 PM »

"41% Native American town abolishes Columbus Day" is not a surprising headline and I'm not sure why it's worthy of a thread.

It's a thread because brtd needed another excuse to talk about Minneapolis again. You gotta problem with that?
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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2015, 05:24:31 PM »

It's because it's Oklahoma. How often does anywhere in Oklahoma implement progressive SJW policies?
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