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« on: October 09, 2015, 10:21:12 AM »
« edited: October 09, 2015, 10:23:19 AM by عبدالله الحظرد »

I used to think he had a shot, until I read this:

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

The irony of this statement coming from a Jeb Bush supporter is just.....so cringe worthy.

Jeb Bush speaks Spanish, he had a very diverse cabinet in Florida, he's taken a position on immigration that is pro-immigrant yet pro-law enforcement, and he has studied Latin culture for decades, including marrying a Mexican immigrant. By contrast, John Kasich had a cabinet in which 19 of his top 22 officials were white and middle-aged, he had no minorities.

There you have it, folks. His cabinet was all white! Not even one transgender Afro-Iranian Scientologist in the bunch! These damning revelations will cause tens of millions of Tumblr SJWs, Structural Marxist college professors, and LGBTTQQIAUCT2SAP Studies majors who would otherwise have been totally #Ready4Kasich to back the Democratic nominee instead, causing KKKa$ICK to lose in the biggest landslide in American history. What does everyone else think about the Ohio Governor's electoral prospects? Feel free to discuss with maps!
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2015, 10:25:36 AM »

Haha.

But on a serious note, yes of course he could.  And as of now, he stands the best chance of any Republican, IMO.  Rubio might be close if he could get through the primaries without shifting too far right.
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2015, 11:28:28 AM »

Did the Jeb! team send that awful attack line?
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2015, 11:41:52 AM »

I used to think he had a shot, until I read this:

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

The irony of this statement coming from a Jeb Bush supporter is just.....so cringe worthy.

Jeb Bush speaks Spanish, he had a very diverse cabinet in Florida, he's taken a position on immigration that is pro-immigrant yet pro-law enforcement, and he has studied Latin culture for decades, including marrying a Mexican immigrant. By contrast, John Kasich had a cabinet in which 19 of his top 22 officials were white and middle-aged, he had no minorities.

There you have it, folks. His cabinet was all white! Not even one transgender Afro-Iranian Scientologist in the bunch!

i know, right? if we start criticising powerful institutions for being entirely composed of old white dudes, it's a short, slippery slope to legally requiring that every position be occupied by a demiromantic neutrois first-nation dragonkin, and then to banning white people altogether! cats will be marrying dogs and eating babies on the streets!
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2015, 01:37:27 PM »

We'll never know.
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2015, 01:53:04 PM »

John 1% Kasich is unelectable.
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2015, 02:34:34 PM »

Actually, yeah, he could. Not that he would, but I still think, especially the more I see these loons or name-recognition-onlys rotate positions at the front for the GOP, he is the best they've got. He's not flaw-proof by any stretch of the imagination, and the best among that crop isn't saying much, but he's still the best, IMO.
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2015, 02:37:44 PM »


Yep. I'm mean, it's not impossible, but John Kasich is probably one of the least electable candidates of the GOP field - not only does he make the base want to stay home by saying things like "I want medicate expansion because, by golly, I want to go to heaven you heathen bastards", but he offends every possible Independent and Democrat who would want to vote for him by saying things like "oh golly, you must like Taylor Swift" and "you must get all the boys in college". He's a disastrous, arrogant candidate.

Plus he has never stood up straight in his entire life and his hands look like ice cream scoopers, which is an automatic disqualifier for a Presidential candidate.
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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2015, 02:40:33 PM »

The Spartans would've tossed this guy out at birth, so no. Fake moderate Republicans need to try a little harder.
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2015, 02:45:21 PM »

I stand by my belief that the three Republicans with the best chance of winning are Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, and Rand Paul, in that order. Rubio and Bush appeal to hispanics, catholics, and moderates. Paul appeals to independents and could even stop the Democrats from having a repeat of 2008 and 2012 with black voters.

Can John Kasich win? Yes, but unlike the three I mentioned, I would not give him more than a 50/50 chance against Biden, Clinton, or Sanders. He is from Ohio and is precieved as moderate, but the cabinet issue I am quoted as have said remains true, as does the fact he has no real substance as of now, though I'm sure that will change. Also, I'm sure he's said some stuff on Fox News during his time as a talk show host that will be used against him. He has a poor record of reaching out to minorities.
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2015, 03:21:54 PM »

I used to think he had a shot, until I read this:

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

The irony of this statement coming from a Jeb Bush supporter is just.....so cringe worthy.

Jeb Bush speaks Spanish, he had a very diverse cabinet in Florida, he's taken a position on immigration that is pro-immigrant yet pro-law enforcement, and he has studied Latin culture for decades, including marrying a Mexican immigrant. By contrast, John Kasich had a cabinet in which 19 of his top 22 officials were white and middle-aged, he had no minorities.

There you have it, folks. His cabinet was all white! Not even one transgender Afro-Iranian Scientologist in the bunch!

i know, right? if we start criticising powerful institutions for being entirely composed of old white dudes, it's a short, slippery slope to legally requiring that every position be occupied by a demiromantic neutrois first-nation dragonkin, and then to banning white people altogether! cats will be marrying dogs and eating babies on the streets!
Some states, based on the racial composition and political party identification of the state, are sometimes not going to have many minorities who voted for a certain candidate. Ohio is not a hugely diverse state- it certainly has minorities, but not as much as a state like Florida, where Bush's cabinet was.  It's not always a conspiracy against non-whites and younger people.
ohio has the same percentage of african-americans as the u.s. as a whole (although yes, it does have fewer hispanics)
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2015, 03:27:44 PM »

easily
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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2015, 03:41:29 PM »

No, but Hillary could easily lose to any of the Republicans running.
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2015, 04:06:14 PM »

Yes. Kasich can win Ohio, Florida, Michigan, etc. He can also make some states like Virginia competitive. He has a track record. Former congressman from a blue collar area of Columbus, and now governor.
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2015, 04:18:38 PM »


Heheh 10/10.

Kasich would win. GOP candidates get a lot of attention since there are more of them and because Trunp, and while some are kind of jokes it isnt like the dems are offering anything good either. A corrupt washed up former flotus who got a carpetbagging senate job based on being a former presidents wife, a grumpy old "socialist", some also rans, and a guy who hasnt even announced getting nearly a quarter of the vote. Really any GOP could win, although I doubt Trump or the also rans like Santorum would.

The cabinet thing is irrelevent and other than people who are looking to take offense at every little thing, no one will care he makes a lame joke about concert tickets. The kind of people that care about that would be those girls who get mad if you open the car door for them and will respond "I can open it myself".

I think Kasich would win no matter who the D is, but Biden might be able to pull it off. I used to think the two parties would go for electability and thus we would see K vs B, but now I am not so sure.
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« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2015, 04:29:41 PM »

Clicked no, meant yes. Kenneth Blackwell is one of, like, three blacks in Ohio. If he picked Blackwell, Blackwell would refuse, as that's a lower pay grade than his current job, and he has no political future.

Honestly, if he had picked a black, we'd be hitting him a lot harder than now for picking a token Minority, like Dubya always did. It's a lose-lose, so he should pick qualified people.
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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2015, 05:00:09 PM »

If Rubio or Kasich makes it through primary, Biden would sure be the nominee. Kasich surely said nice things about him and the race will come out in Biden's favor.

But having Trump as the weaker nominee; allows Dems to be more selective about it and nominate even Hilary
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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2015, 05:14:38 PM »
« Edited: October 09, 2015, 05:17:40 PM by LibertarianRepublican »

He just shot down young voters with the Taylor Swift comments.
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2015, 05:17:03 PM »

If Rubio or Kasich makes it through primary, Biden would sure be the nominee. Kasich surely said nice things about him and the race will come out in Biden's favor.

But having Trump as the weaker nominee; allows Dems to be more selective about it and nominate even Hilary

You don't just pick a candidate once you see who the other side is going to run wtf.
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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2015, 05:20:37 PM »

Clicked no, meant yes. Kenneth Blackwell is one of, like, three blacks in Ohio. If he picked Blackwell, Blackwell would refuse, as that's a lower pay grade than his current job, and he has no political future.

Honestly, if he had picked a black, we'd be hitting him a lot harder than now for picking a token Minority, like Dubya always did. It's a lose-lose, so he should pick qualified people.

Pretty much anyone that isn't a dirtbag agrees that W including minorities in his cabinet was a good decision, even if the motivation were political. It's the actions of those minorities we aren't in favor of, and we don't doubt a potential white alternative would have likely been far worse. Minorities can be qualified people, its just a matter of comparing Obama, clearly qualified, to Ben Carson, a token nitwit.
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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2015, 06:07:19 PM »

I stand by my belief that the three Republicans with the best chance of winning are Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, and Rand Paul, in that order. Rubio and Bush appeal to hispanics, catholics, and moderates. Paul appeals to independents and could even stop the Democrats from having a repeat of 2008 and 2012 with black voters.

Can John Kasich win? Yes, but unlike the three I mentioned, I would not give him more than a 50/50 chance against Biden, Clinton, or Sanders. He is from Ohio and is precieved as moderate, but the cabinet issue I am quoted as have said remains true, as does the fact he has no real substance as of now, though I'm sure that will change. Also, I'm sure he's said some stuff on Fox News during his time as a talk show host that will be used against him. He has a poor record of reaching out to minorities.
Dude, he won over five times the number of blacks Romney won in 2012 in 2014. Did Romney have a poor record of doing so?
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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2015, 06:22:30 PM »

John Kasich is a joke. We have established this months ago. Are people seriously just catching on? I would be a far more serious general election candidate than this loser. As if throwing the record out the window wasn't Naso-esque enough, I don't even know what to make of the Taylor Swift comment. Was he trying to reach out to young voters by talking like that? Kasich needs to get out now. He should never have even gotten an invite to the first debate.
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2015, 06:28:28 PM »

John Kasich is a joke. We have established this months ago. Are people seriously just catching on? I would be a far more serious general election candidate than this loser. As if throwing the record out the window wasn't Naso-esque enough, I don't even know what to make of the Taylor Swift comment. Was he trying to reach out to young voters by talking like that? Kasich needs to get out now. He should never have even gotten an invite to the first debate.

Yet Trump is seriously? Give me a break.
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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2015, 06:42:12 PM »

John Kasich is a joke. We have established this months ago. Are people seriously just catching on? I would be a far more serious general election candidate than this loser. As if throwing the record out the window wasn't Naso-esque enough, I don't even know what to make of the Taylor Swift comment. Was he trying to reach out to young voters by talking like that? Kasich needs to get out now. He should never have even gotten an invite to the first debate.

Yet Trump is seriously? Give me a break.

Many billions of dollars plus a lead in the polls vs. Low budget campaign in 6th or 7th place

It's not brain surgery.
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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2015, 06:51:08 PM »

John Kasich is a joke. We have established this months ago. Are people seriously just catching on? I would be a far more serious general election candidate than this loser. As if throwing the record out the window wasn't Naso-esque enough, I don't even know what to make of the Taylor Swift comment. Was he trying to reach out to young voters by talking like that? Kasich needs to get out now. He should never have even gotten an invite to the first debate.

Yet Trump is seriously? Give me a break.

When the popular incumbent governor of Ohio is polling a distant third in his own state, it's time to reevaluate the seriousness of his campaign.
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