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« on: October 10, 2015, 01:44:25 AM »

Using their policies and views based on our current interpretation of liberal/conservative.
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2015, 03:23:53 PM »

LBJ
Obama
Truman
JFK
Carter
Clinton
Nixon
Eisenhower
Ford
H.W. Bush
W. Bush
Reagan
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2015, 02:36:42 PM »

LBJ
Obama
Truman
JFK
Carter
Clinton
Eisenhower
Nixon
Ford
H.W. Bush
Reagan
W. Bush
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2015, 04:11:57 PM »
« Edited: October 11, 2015, 04:25:24 PM by Moderate Hero Republican »

LBJ
Carter
Obama
JFK
Truman
Eisenhower
Clinton(Pre 94)
Nixon
HW Bush
Ford
Clinton
Reagan
Clinton(Post 94)
W Bush

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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2015, 04:51:29 PM »

Ah, such is the meaningless of such a question that simply placing all the commander in chiefs in a completely random fashion would be as logical an answe as anything else.
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2015, 06:25:51 PM »

1- Obama
2- Johnson



3- Kennedy

4- Clinton
5- Carter

6- Truman
7- Ford

8- Eisenhower
9- Nixon

10- Bush 41



11- Bush 43

12- Reagan






Nixon, Truman, Eisenhower, Ford are hard to place.

As well as which of the 2 most conservative is #1 and which of the 2 most liberal is #1.

Ultimately I decided to go by what they would have tried if they had a cooperative congress, not only on their record.

If Obama had a more cooperative congress, he'd be far and away #1. By contrast, Johnson had a mostly cooperative congress. Bush 43 had a cooperative congress for most of his presidency, only thwarted on immigration and social security, so we know he wasn't much more conservative, but we don't know that about Reagan. Carter and Clinton were both moderates, but both didn't have cooperative of a relationship with congress, though Clinton did at least try for healthcare reform so that edges him above Carter. Kennedy might have cut taxes, but what they were cut to is still ahead of where they are now, and he had a big vision for good government, and I think Ted might be a good litmus test of where his brother would be, so he's ahead of those two.

Spots 6-10 are a little more tricky. Truman was the more liberal choice in his election, so I'd still put him above any of the Republicans, and he started on civil rights and integration. The most liberal of the GOP was Ford, but he was basically just a moderate caretaker since he hadn't been elected so we might not know where he truly stood, and he didn't try any big liberal endeavors, though he did advocate for the Equal Rights Amendment, was pro-choice, and wasn't a big pro-military guy. That leaves Eisenhower, Nixon, and Bush 41. Bush 41 didn't have much of a domestic policy vision (other than pro- national service, and allowing a tax increase), which by default makes him more conservative than Nixon or Eisenhower who did have domestic policy agendas with at least some liberal elements.

So then it's spots 8 & 9, Eisenhower and Nixon. Tough to tell, especially since Nixon's was Ike's VP. Eisenhower made a very gradual moves toward desegregation and invested in infrastructure and research, Nixon changed the economic system and supported strong environmentalist laws and Keynesian economics. But in the Eisenhower administration, Nixon was seen as the more conservative one I believe, so that's what I'll go with.

I probably spent more time on this than I should have!
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2015, 07:07:53 PM »
« Edited: October 11, 2015, 07:16:04 PM by Col. Roosevelt »

Most Liberal, to most Conservative:

Liberal:
LBJ - Great Society
Truman - Fair Deal, desegregating the military
Nixon - OSHA, EPA, Detente, full desegregation, publicly endorsed E.R.A.
Obama - Obamacare

Center-Left:
Ford - Special Education made national policy, kept Detente in place
Eisenhower - 1960 Civil Rights Act, space program, National Highway Act
JFK - Peace Corps

Center-Right
George H.W. Bush - Americans with Disabilities Act, Clean Air Act of 1990
George W. Bush - Medicare Part D

Conservative:
Reagan - tax cuts for rich, repealed Great Society programs, wanted Robert Bork on Supreme Court
Carter - first attempts at welfare reform, deregulaton
Clinton - Welfare Reform, gutted New Deal bills like Glass Steagall and destroyed AFDC, wanted to privatize Social Security
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2015, 10:06:40 PM »

---NEXT DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT---
LBJ
Obama
Truman
Kennedy
Carter
Clinton
Eisenhower
Ford
Nixon
HW Bush
W Bush
Reagan
---NEXT REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT---
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2015, 11:19:30 PM »

Left
LBJ
Truman
Obama
Carter
Kennedy
Clinton
Eisenhower
Ford
Nixon
HW Bush
W Bush
Reagan
Right

Roughly.
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2015, 11:36:59 PM »
« Edited: October 12, 2015, 01:26:27 AM by Higgs »

Liberal:

Obama
LBJ
Truman
Nixon
Carter
Kennedy
Eisenhower
Ford
HW Bush
Clinton
W Bush
Reagan

Conservative:
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2015, 12:28:37 AM »

Juding by what they actually attempted or accomplished, and taking into consideration both what the America they live (or lived) in would consider liberal, as well as what we consider liberal today:

LBJ
Carter
Truman
Kennedy
Nixon
Eisenhower
Clinton
Ford
George HW Bush
Reagan
Obama
George W. Bush

I don't understand where those placing Obama as extremely liberal are coming from - he's George W. Bush in blackface.
(Obamacare came out of the Cato institute for God's sake - it's the most conservative national health care plan that could have actually been passed. It was adopted because the zeigeist was clamouring for "something to be done" about health care, and it was "something".)
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2015, 01:42:44 PM »

Far Left
Sanders

Liberal
Obama
JFK
LBJ
Hillary

Center-Left
Biden
Truman
Carter

Centrist
Eisenhower
Clinton
Ford

Center-Right
HW Bush
Kasich
Nixon
Jeb

Conservative
Christie
W Bush
Huckabee
Reagan
Rubio
Fiorina

Far Right
Paul
Carson
Cruz
Trump
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2015, 02:21:00 PM »

LIBERAL

Truman
LBJ
Carter
Obama
Kennedy
Clinton
Ford
Nixon
Eisenhower
Bush 41
Reagan
Bush 43

CONSERVATIVE
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2015, 08:19:14 AM »

By today's standards, I'd have to go with this:

Liberal
Obama
Clinton
Kennedy
Truman
Johnson
Carter

Eisenhower
Nixon
Ford
Bush 1
Bush 2
Reagan


Of course, pretty much all the Republicans would be considered RINOs in today's GOP (which says a lot about which Republicans can actually get elected).
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