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Question: Which candidate did Ross Perot siphon more votes from in 1992?
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« on: October 10, 2015, 09:38:06 PM »

Who did Ross Perot siphon more votes from in the '92 race?
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2015, 09:40:19 PM »

Probably just slightly more from Bush, given how unpopular he was and the GOP fatigue.

While Clinton was a young face who "could feel your pain" (oh the irony of that now).

However, the results are still roughly equal.
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2015, 09:41:09 PM »

Probably something like 40% Bush, 35% nonvoters, 25% Clinton. Worth noting that turnout surged in 1992.
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2015, 09:47:26 PM »

Bush, though I'm left-leaning and would've voted for Perot in the US.
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2015, 09:55:13 PM »

Both equally.
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2015, 10:03:39 PM »

Remember, Perot kept hitting Bush during the election the most. If he had never entered the race I am sure Bush would have won.
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2015, 12:56:21 AM »

As a whole, both of them. It really depends on the area.
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2015, 01:07:59 AM »


Yes, 38% from both. For some reason there are 2 stupid myths about 1992. One is that Clinton only won because of Perot. The other is that Clinton was the only Democrat who could have won. Bush's approval on election day was about 40%. That's all you need to know about whether he was going to win or lose.
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2015, 08:01:00 AM »

In the beginning he took from both, later on a lot of those "swing clinton/perot voters" went to clinton in the final months of the election campaign.

Most of those GOP leaning voters+Independents that held on for perot in 1996 eventually voted for Bush in 2000.
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2015, 02:08:20 PM »

I say 2/3 from Bush 1/3 from Clinton
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2015, 05:03:50 AM »

Clinton

Before the first debate, Clinton had a lead between 10%-15% and Perot was hovering around 7%. After the first debate, Clinton's lead had dropped to high single digits and Perot was in the mid-teens. Bush's numbers stayed the same at around 37%.
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2015, 01:10:26 PM »


Yes, 38% from both. For some reason there are 2 stupid myths about 1992. One is that Clinton only won because of Perot. The other is that Clinton was the only Democrat who could have won. Bush's approval on election day was about 40%. That's all you need to know about whether he was going to win or lose.

Yeah, Presidents with dicey approval ratings NEVER win re-election!  Obama 2012...
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2015, 01:13:59 PM »


Yes, 38% from both. For some reason there are 2 stupid myths about 1992. One is that Clinton only won because of Perot. The other is that Clinton was the only Democrat who could have won. Bush's approval on election day was about 40%. That's all you need to know about whether he was going to win or lose.

Yeah, Presidents with dicey approval ratings NEVER win re-election!  Obama 2012...

40% is probably worse than 'dicey', and Obama's approvals were virtually identical to Bush's in 2004. A better example would be Harry Truman in 1948.
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2015, 03:29:24 PM »


Yes, 38% from both. For some reason there are 2 stupid myths about 1992. One is that Clinton only won because of Perot. The other is that Clinton was the only Democrat who could have won. Bush's approval on election day was about 40%. That's all you need to know about whether he was going to win or lose.

Yeah, Presidents with dicey approval ratings NEVER win re-election!  Obama 2012...

Obama was at ~50% approval on election day.
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2015, 03:52:12 PM »


Yes, 38% from both. For some reason there are 2 stupid myths about 1992. One is that Clinton only won because of Perot. The other is that Clinton was the only Democrat who could have won. Bush's approval on election day was about 40%. That's all you need to know about whether he was going to win or lose.

Yeah, Presidents with dicey approval ratings NEVER win re-election!  Obama 2012...

Obama was at ~50% approval on election day.

I seem to remember more than a few polls that had him between 45-50%.  That would, theoretically, imply he's the underdog to get re-elected.
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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2015, 06:29:19 PM »


Yes, 38% from both. For some reason there are 2 stupid myths about 1992. One is that Clinton only won because of Perot. The other is that Clinton was the only Democrat who could have won. Bush's approval on election day was about 40%. That's all you need to know about whether he was going to win or lose.

Yeah, Presidents with dicey approval ratings NEVER win re-election!  Obama 2012...

Obama was at ~50% approval on election day.

I seem to remember more than a few polls that had him between 45-50%.  That would, theoretically, imply he's the underdog to get re-elected.

RCP had him at 50/47 on election day. Almost identical to his actual win margin of 51/47.
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2015, 05:36:14 PM »

According the exit polls from '92, he took votes from both Bush and Clinton equally.
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2015, 05:37:05 PM »

This is in the wrong board
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2015, 05:37:26 PM »


Yes, 38% from both. For some reason there are 2 stupid myths about 1992. One is that Clinton only won because of Perot. The other is that Clinton was the only Democrat who could have won. Bush's approval on election day was about 40%. That's all you need to know about whether he was going to win or lose.

Yeah, Presidents with dicey approval ratings NEVER win re-election!  Obama 2012...

Obama was at ~50% approval on election day.

I seem to remember more than a few polls that had him between 45-50%.  That would, theoretically, imply he's the underdog to get re-elected.
Wrong.  Incumbents can easily win reelection with lousy job approval.  Just ask Michigan's last three governors.

EDIT: Make that three.
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2015, 07:47:06 PM »


Yes, 38% from both. For some reason there are 2 stupid myths about 1992. One is that Clinton only won because of Perot. The other is that Clinton was the only Democrat who could have won. Bush's approval on election day was about 40%. That's all you need to know about whether he was going to win or lose.

Yeah, Presidents with dicey approval ratings NEVER win re-election!  Obama 2012...

Obama was at ~50% approval on election day.

Once you unskew the polls, you'll see that Obama's real approval rating on election day was 23%.
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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2016, 06:05:00 AM »


Yes, 38% from both. For some reason there are 2 stupid myths about 1992. One is that Clinton only won because of Perot. The other is that Clinton was the only Democrat who could have won. Bush's approval on election day was about 40%. That's all you need to know about whether he was going to win or lose.

Yeah, Presidents with dicey approval ratings NEVER win re-election!  Obama 2012...
Obama and W. in 2012 and 2004 were in the 45%-49% job approval range, as well as Ford in 1976. George HW Bush in 1992 and Jimmy Carter 1980 were sub 40%. Ditto W. in 2008, in which his party successor lost. LBJ was at 41% in the most recent gallup poll before election day in 1968, HHH lost.

I think it can be said for POTUS elections, not nec. governor/senator, that above 50% on election day is a win guaranteed, 45-49% is a tossup, and below 40% is a decisive loss. The part from 41-45% is unknown, but fact is when you're below 40%, your party loses the White House.

Also, given how the trend of Bush still polling badly against Clinton when Perot was NOT in the race (July to September),  not merely in April/May, and Bush stayed there past Labor Day until the end of the month, http://www.gallup.com/poll/110548/gallup-presidential-election-trialheat-trends-19362004.aspx, its pretty safe to say Perot took more votes from Clinton than Bush.
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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2016, 09:04:39 AM »

I say 60-40% Bush.
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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2016, 09:33:53 AM »

I would say Bush.
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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2016, 11:53:24 AM »

Clinton had huge leads after Perot dropped out, don't forget.
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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2016, 12:23:42 PM »

exactly, and they stayed that way long past labor day until the end of September, which anyone can see here http://www.gallup.com/poll/110548/gallup-presidential-election-trialheat-trends-19362004.aspx

And to beaver2.0 and MohamedChalid, what is your basis, if you're not gonna go with the polls that strongly indicated Perot did not affect Bush like that?
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