Should the Treaty of Sevres be reimposed?

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/behlal-azkan/turkeys-isis-haunt-it_b_8288444.html





Seems like an entirely fair response to Erdogan's nonsense over the past several years.

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The oppression of the Kurds didn't start with Erdoğan. If anything, Erdoğan has been better for the Kurds than the Secular/Military establishment.

They deserve independence regardless if their new tyrant is more benign than previous ones.

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The oppression of the Kurds didn't start with Erdoğan. If anything, Erdoğan has been better for the Kurds than the Secular/Military establishment.

They deserve independence regardless if their new tyrant is more benign than previous ones.

Well, if they want it sure. And I suspect an independence referendum would end in a yes vote. But the meme that Erdoğan and the AKP are responsible for the ills of Turkey is ridiculous.

Also, lol at Greece annexing the NW and Armenia taking the Northeast.

They are clearly responsible for aiding and abetting radical Islamists in their own backyard, in addition to moving away from secularism domestically.

Admittedly the last two acts are punitive measures. Greece may not be the best steward for the Kemalist West, perhaps nominal independence would be a better measure there? And restitution for Armenia, while lacking a basis in popular sovereignty, is less absurd than Poland getting Pomerania and Silesia.

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how exactly are you planning to impose it?

The U.S. waving Article V protection and removing its military protection unless the terms are agreed to should do the trick.

Armenia regaining those lands would be like Germany regaining Kaliningrad.

Yeltsin offered it.

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The angriest people, however, would almost certainly be the people of Hatay, who would find themselves now resident in the earthly hell known as Syria.

Syrian Kurds control much of the area currently adjacent to Hatay, it could be arranged for Kurdistan to annex that province as well.

Again, why all the fuss about how the Turks feel about this? Should the US have worried about what the Pakis would think before they threatened to bomb Pakistan to the Stone Age unless they cooperated with the Afghan invasion?

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The only way this could remotely make sense would be if it was meant as an extremely unorthodox solution to the debt crisis where Turkey would have to buy back its lost territories from Greece, thus eliminating their debts (and deeply indebting Turkey instead).

I was leading up to that as a possible outcome, although given how many Turks wish to ascend to the EU, I do not see why their wish should not be granted in a heterodox way.

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Syrian Kurds control much of the area currently adjacent to Hatay, it could be arranged for Kurdistan to annex that province as well.

Again, why all the fuss about how the Turks feel about this? Should the US have worried about what the Pakis would think before they threatened to bomb Pakistan to the Stone Age unless they cooperated with the Afghan invasion?
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But what have the Turks done to deserve this? Elect Erdogan?
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Is supporting terrorism on their southern border insufficient cause?

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Bump, in light of recent events.

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Strongly agree

1453 worst year ever.

Why on earth should Istanbul be ceded to Greece? That ship has clearly sailed...

Imagined geographies and Turkish insolence.

Since when is shooting a RUSSSIAN plane is considered insolence by anybody but the Russians?

So sovereignty does not count when Russia is the victim? Sounds awfully familiar...

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Strongly agree

1453 worst year ever.

Why on earth should Istanbul be ceded to Greece? That ship has clearly sailed...

Imagined geographies and Turkish insolence.

Since when is shooting a RUSSSIAN plane is considered insolence by anybody but the Russians?

So sovereignty does not count when Russia is the victim? Sounds awfully familiar...

Russia violated Turkish sovereignty, and that makes it a victim? Or is Russia sovereign in Turkey? I do not get it.

Only in the mind of a neo-Ottoman thug like Erdogan do Russian planes flying over Syria with Syria's permission constitute a violation of Turkish sovereignty.